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(I haven't had time to peruse it yet. I'm going of the summations so far.)
No bias found. Structural process has flaws but nothing new and nothing that Trump claimed.
Barr of course came out and protected his client DJT, but that incredibly unbelievably (to others) event doesn't change the end results: Trump was wrong/lying.
Remember when a few people thought Barr would be a good choice?
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Did the POTUS, in response to the IG report, just threaten an entire family?
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IG is clearly a never Trumper and should therefore be disregarded.
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(12-10-2019, 10:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: (I haven't had time to peruse it yet. I'm going of the summations so far.)
No bias found. Structural process has flaws but nothing new and nothing that Trump claimed.
Barr of course came out and protected his client DJT, but that incredibly unbelievably (to others) event doesn't change the end results: Trump was wrong/lying.
Remember when a few people thought Barr would be a good choice?
This is like the Mueller Report. Barr jumped in to "interpret" it before it was publicly available. Millions accepted his version. That is one reason why Dems are not including the Mueller Report in their articles of impeachment--they think it exonerated Trump.
Barr's spin keeps the alternative narrative going, as does Rudy's trip to the Ukraine, where he has found "lots of stuff" to present to Congress.
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(12-10-2019, 08:33 PM)Dill Wrote: This is like the Mueller Report. Barr jumped in to "interpret" it before it was publicly available. Millions accepted his version.
LMFAO. How so? What did Barr say that was proven wrong?
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Graham is already clutching his pearls during the hearing about the report.
In a fair world we'd find out if he's been compromised or is just so much of a pansy that he can't stand for anything except people with power who can help him.
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As an aside Graham is woefully unprepared to run this hearing. He seems to have no idea what his own opening statement says and he can't find papers he is looking for.
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Horowitz's initial statement.....he is basically saying that crossfire hurricane was opened without bias. But the application of, he referred, because he saw serious abuses, omissions, and even doctoring of a document He also said the Steele report was the key item to get surveillance with. Also said the answers to his questions were not satisfactory.
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(12-11-2019, 01:23 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Horowitz's initial statement.....he is basically saying that crossfire hurricane was opened without bias. But the application of, he referred, because he saw serious abuses, omissions, and even doctoring of a document He also said the Steele report was the key item to get surveillance with. Also said the answers to his questions were not satisfactory.
So what he is saying is that Trump and Barr are wrong in their claims that the bias of FBI agents against Trump pushed them to open a fake investigation to keep him out of office. Good stuff.
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Graham really swung and missed. Republicans are not doing a good job at defensing Trump at all.
Barr is being exposed for what we already know he was. A political hack that has got caught lying every time he's worked in an Administration.
I disagree that the Mueller report wasn't used because Dems think it exonerated Trump. It never did, and Barr has long been called out for lying in his "review". It wasn't used because this was about Ukraine and not Russia. They kept it simple as they should have.
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LMFAO , a Trump lover asking someone if they ever try to think for themselves. 
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(12-11-2019, 03:52 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Dill Wrote: This is like the Mueller Report. Barr jumped in to "interpret" it before it was publicly available. Millions accepted his version.
LMFAO. How so? What did Barr say that was proven wrong?
Do you even try to think for yourself?
FOR EXAMPLE-- Here's Mueller's conclusion about obstruction:
“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. (Vol II, page 2)
And here's a relevant comment from Barr's Letter:
After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html?module=inline
LOL Trump went so far as to order a subordinate to falsify documents to obstruct, but Barr thinks even that doesn't meet the bar for obstruction. And so we get--> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/31/fox-news-viewer-surprised-that-mueller-hadnt-exonerated-trump-obstruction/?arc404=true
This is not unknown or really controversial outside the bubble.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2019/04/19/how-attorney-general-barr-misled-america/#b1ad1f765a58
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/stark-contrasts-between-the-mueller-report-and-attorney-general-barrs-summary/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/politics/barr-versus-mueller-report/index.html
Wikipedia even has a page on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr_letter#Comparison_of_findings_between_Barr_letter_and_Mueller_Report
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(12-11-2019, 03:52 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: LMFAO. How so? What did Barr say that was proven wrong?
Do you even try to think for yourself?
The biggest thing Barr did was change "not sufficient evidence" to "no evidence".
He also said that Mueller left the decision to punish Trump up to him and the DOJ when Meuller said it was up to Congress.
Barr also claimed the White House had cooperated fully with Meuller when they never did. Trump refused to be interviewed and failed to fully answer written questions submitted to him.
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(12-11-2019, 05:32 PM)jj22 Wrote: Graham really swung and missed. Republicans are not doing a good job at defensing Trump at all.
Barr is being exposed for what we already know he was. A political hack that has got caught lying every time he's worked in an Administration.
I disagree that the Mueller report wasn't used because Dems think it exonerated Trump. It never did, and Barr has long been called out for lying in his "review". It wasn't used because this was about Ukraine and not Russia. They kept it simple as they should have.
If you are refering to my post, JJ, I did not express myself clearly.
You are correct: Dems do not think the Mueller Report exonerated Mueller, but Trump's base does.
Not just because Trump claimed so, but because his AG got in front of the report and "assumed responsibility" for assessing its conclusions to claim Trump exonerated.
So that is why the Dems did not create a separate article of impeachment based upon that report. They need to keep the facts few and the narrative line simple.
Now Barr and Co. are rushing to keep the waters muddy with yet ANOTHER investigation into the investigators.
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(12-11-2019, 07:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The biggest thing Barr did was change "not sufficient evidence" to "no evidence".
He also said that Mueller left the decision to punish Trump up to him and the DOJ when Meuller said it was up to Congress.
Barr also claimed the White House had cooperated fully with Meuller when they never did. Trump refused to be interviewed and failed to fully answer written questions submitted to him.
LOL People who "think for themselves" don't waste time comparing documents.
They just agree with Barr.
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(12-11-2019, 07:06 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL People who "think for themselves" don't waste time comparing documents.
They just agree with Barr.
LOL either way, most likely just another big waste of tax payer money.
I'd like to propose in the future if one party wants to do something like this, that the losing party is responsible for fitting the bill for all of these lawyers. This petty crap would stop in a heartbeat.
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(12-11-2019, 08:13 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL either way, most likely just another big waste of tax payer money.
I'd like to propose in the future if one party wants to do something like this, that the losing party is responsible for fitting the bill for all of these lawyers. This petty crap would stop in a heartbeat.
Can't get them to agree on who is the "losing party" though.
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