Iran attacks Israel, Israel pounds Iran

[fredtoast]

(05-11-2018, 04:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Israel doesn’t need help with them.  I have said for a long time they should just wipe them out and force them to move Back home to Jordan unless they are willling to live under an Israeli state.

And you have no idea why they have not done that?

[StLucieBengal]

(05-11-2018, 05:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you have no idea why they have not done that?

They keep bring told to hold off for these so called peace talks.

Let them fight it out.

With that said... I don’t want this thread to move off Iran. I won’t be responding to Non Iran stuff. We can do new thread on palestians if you wish.

[Bengalzona]

(05-11-2018, 04:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The excitement is for the Muslim/Israeli coalition.  Plus Iran/Palestinians and their terrorist buddies are all terrible.  Israel can wipe out the Palestinians themselves though but it shouldn’t be a problem once Iran is taken out.  

We should be pushing south to force Mexico to get a hold of their southern border.  We need to put real pressure on Central America before they ruin our country.

Ah!

So, Israel 'scores' a 'touchdown' if they destroy Iran and kill all of the Iranians, but the only get an 'extra point' if they erradicate all of the Palestinians.

Meanwhile, we would a 'field goal' if we drive our armor into Mexico to push the border back several hundred miles and put real pressure on Central America. Also to kill whatever Hispanic-looking folks we see along the way.

Fascinating. What do you call this game? Did you create it yourself?

[Dill]

(05-11-2018, 04:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I want to see Middle East countries taking out their own trash.  We have serious issues to our south that we should be using our military.  I am tired of worrying about countries like Iran.  

As I said about the Palestinians....  let Israel and their coalition do what they need to do to get rid of the problems.  

I am not cheering for death.  I want peace but it seems some in the Middle East can’t accept peace and be normal nations.  At this point Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc can do what they need to do so Iran can go back to bring a normal nation.

It seems some in North American can't accept peace and be normal nations--like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Time for Palestinians to stop being "trash" and accept that their land is Israel's. Quit being a problem to Israel.

[Dill]

(05-11-2018, 03:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ....and now it's a "I hate trump" thread.

As to the OP: It is my wish that ME can handle the differences in their region via coalitions such as SA and Israel. Folks always tell me most Muslims do not  condone acts of terror. Hopefully they can root it out in their own backyard.

I also seen it is turning toward a "let's bash the OP" thread. I must say I am not surprised.

First they complain because he denigrates women in tweets with 7th-grade insults about their looks.

Next they whine because he invites Russian spies into the Oval office without informing US intel--and gives away top secret intel to impress them.

And their hair gets on fire when he appoints his children to high level cabinet positions without valid security checks and sends them out to represent the US--and they foul up foreign policy.

"liar" they scream whenever he refers to the largest inaugural crowds or the five million illegals who ruined his popular vote or the rising crime rate--all while being the toughest of all presidents on Russia.

They won't admit he has accomplished anything but a tax cut for the very rich. Some even blame HIM for repeatedly failing to lead the Republican dominated Congress to more legislative success.

How often do they bash him for picking cabinet members who don't know their policy areas, or for humiliating them in public and firing them from the chaos white house.

And don't get me started on the Comey firing. The president has a right to stop investigations into his own campaign.

Then its oh so bad that he banged a porn star right after his wife had a child and years later paid for her silence right before an election from a fund that Russians paid into. Guess what--the sky doesn't fall if it turns out the president has a slush fund for making "problems" go away and lies all about it.

Now they won't shut up about him nixing the Iran Deal, destroying US credibility, and destabilizing the Middle East.

It's like people have nothing else to do but complain about the guy in the highest office in the land whose decisions directly affect our economy and military. Predictable.

Maybe people would be more willing to listen if the nay-sayers waited until Trump did something really bad before bitching.

[Benton]

Spending billions to prop up Israel was great for a while, but we should’ve cut ties decades ago.

It’s like the brother-in-law that’s always got big plans but his luck just gives out. Israel is great for that whole biblical rapture thing, but if that’s our main focus, we should probably focus on bridges first.

[*bfine32*]

(05-11-2018, 08:59 PM)Dill Wrote: First they complain because he denigrates women in tweets with 7th-grade insults about their looks.

Next they whine because he invites Russian spies into the Oval office without informing US intel--and gives away top secret intel to impress them.

And their hair gets on fire when he appoints his children to high level cabinet positions without valid security checks and sends them out to represent the US--and they foul up foreign policy.

"liar" they scream whenever he refers to the largest inaugural crowds or the five million illegals who ruined his popular vote or the rising crime rate--all while being the toughest of all presidents on Russia.

They won't admit he has accomplished anything but a tax cut for the very rich. Some even blame HIM for repeatedly failing to lead the Republican dominated Congress to more legislative success.

How often do they bash him for picking cabinet members who don't know their policy areas, or for humiliating them in public and firing them from the chaos white house.

And don't get me started on the Comey firing. The president has a right to stop investigations into his own campaign.

Then its oh so bad that he banged a porn star right after his wife had a child and years later paid for her silence right before an election from a fund that Russians paid into. Guess what--the sky doesn't fall if it turns out the president has a slush fund for making "problems" go away and lies all about it.

Now they won't shut up about him nixing the Iran Deal, destroying US credibility, and destabilizing the Middle East.

It's like people have nothing else to do but complain about the guy in the highest office in the land whose decisions directly affect our economy and military. Predictable.

Maybe people would be more willing to listen if the nay-sayers waited until Trump did something really bad before bitching.

I'm sure all that made sense to you, but it did little to address my assertion; although, it did greatly support it.

[StLucieBengal]

(05-11-2018, 08:33 PM)Dill Wrote: It seems some in North American can't accept peace and be normal nations--like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Time for Palestinians to stop being "trash" and accept that their land is Israel's. Quit being a problem to Israel.

I have never minced words when it comes to the Palestinians. I think they are a joke and their nonsense is just a road block forward. Until they stop electing terrorists. I have zero sympathy for any of them.

The facts are the normal, innocent palestian would be better off living under Israeli control. Muslims are able to be fine in Israel.

Central America is a problem for North America. Something Needs to be done to straighten them out so we are not stuck with their poor and uneducated. If we aren’t going to close the border or severely restrict it we need to have the military down there making sure these people go not gone north.

[Dill]

(05-11-2018, 10:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sure all that made sense to you, but it did little to address my assertion; although, it did greatly support it.

Ha ha, supported it without addressing it. 

The mystery of Trump hate.  Makes no sense.

[Dill]

(05-11-2018, 10:28 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I have never minced words when it comes to the Palestinians.  I think they are a joke and their nonsense is just a road block forward.  Until they stop electing terrorists.  I have zero sympathy for any of them.  

The facts are the normal, innocent palestian would be better off living under Israeli control.  Muslims are able to be fine in Israel.  

Central America is a problem for North America. Something Needs to be done to straighten them out so we are not stuck with their poor and uneducated.  If we aren’t going to close the border or severely restrict it we need to have the military down there making sure these people go not gone north.

Israelis seem to think so too. That is why they are taking Palestinian land.

Zero sympathy for them.

[StLucieBengal]

(05-11-2018, 10:54 PM)Dill Wrote: Israelis seem to think so too. That is why they are taking Palestinian land.

Zero sympathy for them.

They should be taking it. They will at least Improve the land.

Im so beyond any sympathy for the Palestinians. They deserve anything the israeli’s do to them. When they elect normal non terrorists then I will have some sympathy. Until then they are just wasting everyone’s time.

[NATI BENGALS]

(05-11-2018, 11:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They should be taking it.  They will at least Improve the land.

Im so beyond any sympathy for the Palestinians.  They deserve anything the israeli’s do to them.    When they elect normal non terrorists then I will have some sympathy.  Until then they are just wasting everyone’s time.

So screw the environment. And now what sounds like the support of genocide. You trumpets have some serious shit for brains.

Sick

[ballsofsteel]

Does anyone really believe that all these decisions concerning the middle east that Drumph is making are decisions that have been weighing on his mind and are made only after considerable studying on the subject? Who is pulling his strings? How much money will flow his way or members of his family, once he is out of office? Why doesn't he release his income tax statements?

[Bengalzona]

(05-14-2018, 06:47 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Does anyone really believe that all these decisions concerning the middle east that Drumph is making are decisions that have been weighing on his mind and are made only after considerable studying on the subject? Who is pulling his strings? How much money will flow his way or members of his family, once he is out of office? Why doesn't he release his income tax statements?

There is an amalgam of convoluted motivations involved.

- Israel wants Iranian influence out of Syria. Their presence there is a strategic link-up with Hezbollah, which makes arming the terrorist group with missiles and other weapons far easier. In Israel's view, this is unacceptable. This is a real threat for them.
- While the U.S. has generally shown favoritism to Israel since the Six Day War, Trump will defer to what Israel needs because the GOP seeks to curry and retain the right-wing Jewish vote and money in the U.S. (in addition to big oil money, see below). If you haven't cottoned on by now, money and votes are the only reasons this administration and it's supporters do anything. And the votes are only so they can retain their positions to make more money.
- Putin, as usual, is the mastermind behind this. Russia currently dictates what goes on in the government-controlled areas of Syria (i.e. if Russia doesn't want Iranian arms flowing through Syria, they ain't going through). The Israeli delegation has been to Moscow eight times in the past eighteen months over the issue, and has walked away without anything each time. This situation favors Russia in two major ways: 1) it gives them political clout and influence; and 2) it helps them financially with their oil industry (see below) and sends a big "F U" to the West and their sanctions.
- Due to the "instability in the Middle East" (and we really should know what is meant by that euphemism by now), oil prices are soaring. This favors Russia, U.S. and Middle East oil producers who have been hurting in recent years.

Are Putin and Trump in collusion on this? That's all a matter of opinion and speculation. If they are, shame on them. If they are not, then Trump really is one of the world's biggest morons.

[masterpanthera_t]

(05-14-2018, 01:37 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: - While the U.S. has generally shown favoritism to Israel since the Six Day War, Trump will defer to what Israel needs because the GOP seeks to curry and retain the right-wing Jewish vote and money in the U.S. (in addition to big oil money, see below). If you haven't cottoned on by now, money and votes are the only reasons this administration and it's supporters do anything. And the votes are only so they can retain their positions to make more money.

Are Putin and Trump in collusion on this? That's all a matter of opinion and speculation. If they are, shame on them. If they are not, then Trump really is one of the world's biggest morons.

A very enlightening analysis, most  of which I did not quote. 


I only have a question on the above: Why is Trump a moron in the latter case? Wouldn't he, given the first paragraph that I quoted, just be a selfish exploiter of the situation, who is operating with selfish knowledge and not a "moron"? In other words, you have to spell this out as I don't think it's that obvious.

[Bengalzona]

(05-14-2018, 02:05 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: A very enlightening analysis, most  of which I did not quote. 


I only have a question on the above: Why is Trump a moron in the latter case? Wouldn't he, given the first paragraph that I quoted, just be a selfish exploiter of the situation, who is operating with selfish knowledge and not a "moron"? In other words, you have to spell this out as I don't think it's that obvious.

I tend to consider selfish exploiters to be morons.

A little less cheeky response: If Trump doesn't realize of have advisors that tell him that some or all of this is going on, his head clearly isn't in the game (as we say in football).