Is Bud Light Right And I'm Wrong?

[BFritz21]

(06-20-2023, 01:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You do know that Anheiser Busch is owned by InDev, which is headquartered in Belgium, right?

I mention that because the company itself is also not "American," despite doing pro-America campaigns and all that.

It's all about marketing, whatever to try to get people to buy things.
Putting the American flag on the beers and using red, white, and blue for their colors is also a marketing plan.

My point was that Americans are buying less of it. Why's it matter where headquarters are located?

[*ochocincos*]

(06-20-2023, 01:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Didnt they have a campaign a few years ago to temporarily chance the name to America?  I can't recall how that went over but that's some amusingly cynical marketing. 

I don't remember exactly.

What I do know is AB-InDev is essentially the drink/brewing equivalent to Paramount...
A lot of what you think is independent competition really falls under the same umbrella.
Even craft breweries are getting bought out by AB-InDev, as it's just too good of $$ to pass up, and AB-InBev helps a ton with distribution and marketing.

Some beer brands of note owned by AB-InBev, but also some other big companies:

[*ochocincos*]

(06-20-2023, 01:51 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: My point was that Americans are buying less of it. Why's it matter where headquarters are located?

My point being it's not even a US company anymore.
It's still passed off as one with marketing, but it's been owned by InBev since 2008.

Just thought it was worth pointing out that people who drink the "American beer" might want to know it's not actually owned by a US company anymore.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2023, 01:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't remember exactly.

What I do know is AB-InDev is essentially the drink/brewing equivalent to Paramount...
A lot of what you think is independent competition really falls under the same umbrella.
Even craft breweries are getting bought out by AB-InDev, as it's just too good of $$ to pass up, and AB-InBev helps a ton with distribution and marketing.

Some beer brands of note owned by AB-InBev, but also some other big companies:

Good point.  Helping corporations become behemoth entities really limits the ability of consumers to put them down when they get out of line.  So it goes. 

Not beer relates, but as someone with products in a creative field you dream about being bought out by a major player. 

[*Synric*]

The only thing the boycott is really doing is hurting the workers that specifically work under the Budweiser/Busch label.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2023, 02:12 PM)Synric Wrote: The only thing the boycott is really doing is hurting the workers that specifically work under the Budweiser/Busch label.

The plan is to get them laid off and all working for non woke companies.  They'll thank us later.  

Side note did that anti woke beer ever get made or did people just pay up to $30 for a six pack that will never exist?

[Lucidus]

(06-16-2023, 03:38 PM)Leon Wrote: thanks. im not even saying dill an lidicus are bad folks. im just saying i think they try to come off like they are way smarter than the rest of us an i think they have been programmed by left thinking. maybe they just act that way cause they need to feel right and superior to feel good about there left ideas. idk

i am interested to know the real education or jobs of both to see why they come of that way or how they might be programmed. ive got told the bellsnikel aint quite the same so i went back and look thru alot of his posts and im sorry. but he just comes off like a know it all on about everthing he talks about. it just feels like hes trying way to hard to impress folks and act like he knows more. theres also pally who always has to act moral superior to all other folks even though his ideas are just left propaganda and he has no high ground at all. gino falls into that to even though he cant see how terrible his thinking is and its hard to take him serious

i just dont like that certain folks want to act these ways or put themselves over other folks. just a rant i guess.

I'm assuming "lidicus" is referring to me, since you've made similar statements previously. 

While I'm sure there are areas I can improve upon and weaknesses I may possess in terms of discourse, I always make a concerted effort to be an honest and respectful interlocutor, even in the most contentious of discussions. 

I certainly hope that I'm not portraying an air of arrogance or superiority, because that's certainly never what I intend. I do have certain positions and beliefs that I feel are so justified and warranted that I feel opposition to them defies logical rationale and cognitive consistency. In those cases, however, I can always be swayed or forced to reexamine my stances via a sound argument. 

I've always found Dill and Belsnickle to be extremely detailed and thoughtful posters, often going out of their way to provide context and nuance to better explain and support their arguments. They're obviously very well-informed on certain topics and do their research on those where they may lack the same level of knowledge. I feel those things should be applauded and encouraged, not attacked and ridicules. The point should always be better, more substantial dialogue -- wouldn't you agree.

Although I don't have the available free time to interact in this forum regularly, there are posters I always enjoy reading when I'm here such as Pally, Crazydawg, Nately -- whom all have differing, but interesting styles. There are others, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately. Even someone like SSF, who I often disagree with, provides some interesting views and arguments that serve as intriguing topics of discussion. 

As it pertains to education and being programmed -- I'm a neuropsychologist by profession. I've spent my entire adult life studying, evaluating and addressing issues of the human brain; behavior, mood, emotions, memory, cognition, etc. Outside of my professional field, I've also spent many decades studying philosophy, religion and the awe-inspiring field of biology. I am utterly fascinated by all of these areas, in which I have friends and colleagues that have served as incredible sources of knowledge and information over the years. 

The only programming I have been subjected to is an expansion and variation of knowledge. Should that not be the goal we're all looking to continually pursue? In doing so, you'll discover more about how to think -- which will help you make better and more informed decisions about what to think. 

[Leon]

(06-18-2023, 02:32 PM)Dill Wrote: I think we can say for sure that Dill's "programming" has involved an orientation towards learning and intellectual inquiry based upon dialogue and shared standards of logic and evidence, which has been around since the Greeks. But some call that "education," not programming, given its emphasis on understanding others' views and how they came to be, and not simply marking their agreement or disagreement with one's own, end of story. Worse, Dill's spent decades studying political history from ancient times to the present, the kind of thing taught less and less now because people think it won't get them a job. It may be tempting for Dill types to use that knowledge sometimes. The question you raise is--could that use ever be legitimate in a public forum, where some may not share it? What would be grounds for excluding it--other than that it may undermine what some just want to believe?

We live in a society which is pretty much center/right liberal and our education reflects that, so one has to go outside the mainstream to get actual leftist perspectives. One has then a chance to view that society from within both liberal and leftist perspectives. At that point then, a lot of mainstream education begins to look like "programming." 

There is a lot that ol' Dill doesn't know about finance and computers and communications and many other things that he doesn't chip in on. But he's made a point of listening to other's perspectives--including yours. 

A while back we were discussing the Durham Report. Speaking as Dill rather than for him, I actually read the whole thing, and what I could of the heavily redacted IGA report. Part of my motivation for doing what was that some people were making claims about the Report I knew could not be true, and they were following what their trusted right wing sources said about it instead of reading the report themselves.

I used quotations from the Durham Report to challenge what they were saying. And in using evidence like that, I was also opening up my argument to cross examination and fact-checking by others. If I were wrong, people could demonstrate it. Would that be an example of me being a know-it-all? You couldn't view my opponents as not knowing what they are talking about and "programmed" by right wing views? Same thing happened a couple years back when the Barr disinformed us about the Mueller Report. I read it and argued with people who trusted Barr over the actual report. Assuming that I am quoting these reports accurately and my opponents can't refute my points, you don't see such contribution to discussion as valuable or useful? Accuracy and correct representation of reports are secondary to something else? Or is "accuracy" more about having the right beliefs and feelings? 

I ask because if I take the time to learn about a subject and use that knowledge in political discussion then I am curious as to what effect it has. If I understand you, you think my posts are not to inform or to refute disinformation but to "come off as way smarter." Like I don't really care if people have an accurate summary of what CRT is really about and whether the Right has embarked on a very successful disinformation campaign about it. The important thing is not that people understand how that manipulation leads to unjust policy results, but that I "impress folks"? 

Also, I spend a lot of time learning what the "other side" says and thinks about political issues. When I do that, I find that they often have not read primary texts like the abovementioned, and also that they self-censure news and commentary from the other side because it is "fake." They allow their selected authorities, from Rush limbaugh to Hannity to Trump, explain events for them. So I am wondering why I should be described as "programmed" by "propaganda" and not the other way around?  

How do we decide whether someone else has been "programmed" by "propaganda"? If it is because they disagree with us, and we don't want to understand their views, why doesn't that make us the "programmed" ones.

(06-20-2023, 03:12 PM)Lucidus Wrote: I'm assuming "lidicus" is referring to me, since you've made similar statements previously. 

While I'm sure there are areas I can improve upon and weaknesses I may possess in terms of discourse, I always make a concerted effort to be an honest and respectful interlocutor, even in the most contentious of discussions. 

I certainly hope that I'm not portraying an air of arrogance or superiority, because that's certainly never what I intend. I do have certain positions and beliefs that I feel are so justified and warranted that I feel opposition to them defies logical rationale and cognitive consistency. In those cases, however, I can always be swayed or forced to reexamine my stances via a sound argument. 

I've always found Dill and Belsnickle to be extremely detailed and thoughtful posters, often going out of their way to provide context and nuance to better explain and support their arguments. They're obviously very well-informed on certain topics and do their research on those where they may lack the same level of knowledge. I feel those things should be applauded and encouraged, not attacked and ridicules. The point should always be better, more substantial dialogue -- wouldn't you agree.

Although I don't have the available free time to interact in this forum regularly, there are posters I always enjoy reading when I'm here such as Pally, Crazydawg, Nately -- whom all have differing, but interesting styles. There are others, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately. Even someone like SSF, who I often disagree with, provides some interesting views and arguments that serve as intriguing topics of discussion. 

As it pertains to education and being programmed -- I'm a neuropsychologist by profession. I've spent my entire adult life studying, evaluating and addressing issues of the human brain; behavior, mood, emotions, memory, cognition, etc. Outside of my professional field, I've also spent many decades studying philosophy, religion and the awe-inspiring field of biology. I am utterly fascinated by all of these areas, in which I have friends and colleagues that have served as incredible sources of knowledge and information over the years. 

The only programming I have been subjected to is an expansion and variation of knowledge. Should that not be the goal we're all looking to continually pursue? In doing so, you'll discover more about how to think -- which will help you make better and more informed decisions about what to think. 

lol see this is exactly what i was talking about. look how long winded an hey look how smart i am both these respnses come off. so many words an not anything meanigful. just you 2 being triggered by me an others pointing out you been programmed by your so called education. no one is going to listen to folks like you cause they dont want to read a hole book worth of useless talk about you all being know it alls. real folks living in the real world dont talk like that and dont like that and act likev you 2. sorry if that comes of mean but maybe you all would be better off talking like real folks. then maybe we would actualy listen to something you say. just some friendly advise,

[Leon]

(06-20-2023, 12:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Our political system makes a handful of corporations invincible.  People can scream at the NFL and Disney and bud light all they want, they know you're going to fight them by voting for politicians who will help their profits at the expense of anything else.

Get your shots in now peasants, because they'll be peddling their politics and products as we take our last spiteful breaths.

its pretty simple. go woke go broke. its way past time good folks started fighting back

[Leon]

(06-17-2023, 05:26 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Sure - animal abuse, pedophilia, sexual assault, using social standing to enrich yourself instead of your community, genocide.

What people do with in the privacy of their own homes with other consenting adults isn't my problem or my business.

public drag shows shaking half naked bodies in front of kids aint in there own home.
public pushing trans ilifestyle on kids in schools aint in there own home.

quit using a situation that aint the same dont apply. to avoid the real issues.

[*pally*]

(06-20-2023, 03:49 PM)Leon Wrote: lol see this is exactly what i was talking about. look how long winded an hey look how smart i am both these respnses come off. so many words an not anything meanigful. just you 2 being triggered by me an others pointing out you been programmed by your so called education. no one is going to listen to folks like you cause they dont want to read a hole book worth of useless talk about you all being know it alls. real folks living in the real world dont talk like that and dont like that and act likev you 2. sorry if that comes of mean but maybe you all would be better off talking like real folks. then maybe we would actualy listen to something you say. just some friendly advise,

They are real folks living in the real world as much as you claim to be.  People shouldn't have to write like they failed elementary school in order to be considered "real".  

So you are triggered by vocabulary, correct spelling, proper grammar, and sentence structure as well as a well-composed post.  We can all assume you are triggered by anyone who may appear more educated than you.  They probably do read whole books, They probably even have chapters and a lot of pages too.  These books are likely both fiction and non-fiction covering a wide range of subjects.  Being intellectually uncurious is sad.  Changing how one communicates with others is intellectually dishonest.

Personally, I can understand what they are saying on the first read-through.  Without correct spelling and grammar, it takes several read-throughs to understand your points.  

[Leon]

(06-20-2023, 04:33 PM)pally Wrote: They are real folks living in the real world as much as you claim to be.  People shouldn't have to write like they failed elementary school in order to be considered "real".  

So you are triggered by vocabulary, correct spelling, proper grammar, and sentence structure as well as a well-composed post.  We can all assume your are triggered by anyone who may appear more educated than you.  They probably do read whole books, They probably even have chapters and a lot of pages too.  These books are likely both fiction and non-fiction covering a wide range of subjects.  Being intellectually uncurious is sad.  Changing how one communicates with others is intellectually dishonest.

Personally, I can understand what they are saying on the first read throught.  Without correct spelling and grammar, it takes several read throughs to understand your points.  

real everyday folks can get to the point with out being long winded an talking about stuff no one actually cares about. you can mock down to earth folks all you want. only shows all you guys aint quite as smart as yall think. if you was you would know that words dont make you smart. hard work, being a good person and loving you God and country is what matters. when you say they are living in the real world. i wouls say let both of them and you come to my farm an see how long you guys could actualy last in the really real world. all the words and snooty acting ways wont help you one bit. i bet none of yall could last a day but after i guess you could sure use lots of words to say how you couldnt make it in my world. i learn stuff every day that its sad you guys are all to stubborn and programmed to see and open your hearts an minds to. so whos really be not curious here?

[*pally*]

(06-20-2023, 04:47 PM)Leon Wrote: real everyday folks can get to the point with out being long winded an talking about stuff no one actually cares about. you can mock down to earth folks all you want. only shows all you guys aint quite as smart as yall think. if you was you would know that words dont make you smart. hard work, being a good person and loving you God and country is what matters. when you say they are living in the real world. i wouls say let both of them and you come to my farm an see how long you guys could actualy last in the really real world. all the words and snooty acting ways wont help you one bit. i bet none of yall could last a day but after i guess you could sure use lots of words to say how you couldnt make it in my world. i learn stuff every day that its sad you guys are all to stubborn and programmed to see and open your hearts an minds to. so whos really be not curious here?

So you saying educated people don't work hard, and don't love God or their country? How very reverse snobbish of you?  You do spend a lot of time pretending you are morally superior to everyone else.  

What constitutes the "real" world?  For that matters what is required to be a "real" American?


I bet we would last longer at your farm than you would at our jobs.  People with education have choices.  People with limited education are far more limited.

[CJD]

(06-20-2023, 12:50 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Like I said, Bud Light and Budweiser was the only beer I drank until I quit beer completely because my ass was getting too big to fit in my wheelchair.

Beer sellers and most producers of any product for the public to buy only care about money.

Yes, some might care about the country and things like that, but most major corporations stay away from things that could divide or drive away their consumers.

Bud Light wasn't "taking a stand here," they were trying to cash in on the woke culture and, thank God, it backfired, which has somewhat renewed my faith in this country.

That's one thing you and I agree on. This, along with the majority of things corporations do regarding social progressivism, is a cynical cash grab where they're chasing public sentiment, but never leading it. They are not interested in doing much beyond virtue signaling because they don't want to actually spend money or effort on making positive change. They just want to profit off of it.

If they actually cared about progressivism, they wouldn't be paying lobbyists and politicians to keep their regulations low and their taxes even lower. Change costs money, and corporations love signaling towards change while resisting the necessary taxes to enact it.

[Leon]

(06-20-2023, 04:55 PM)pally Wrote: So you saying educated people don't work hard, and don't love God or their country? How very reverse snobbish of you?  You do spend a lot of time pretending you are morally superior to everyone else.  

What constitutes the "real" world?  For that matters what is required to be a "real" American?


I bet we would last longer at your farm than you would at our jobs.  People with education have choices.  People with limited education are far more limited.

notice no one was talking about polotics history like dill was going on about or folks brains like ludicus was going on about. or reading books like you are going on about. you all cant even stick to what i was saying. wonder why. hmm? 

and what makes real world. being honest, standing up for whats right an fighting back on whats wrong. providing for your family. working hard. being responsible. all those things are what the real world is about. not acting like your better than those folks or acting like you know more of what really matters. 

for that last part i marked. you might be right. i dont think i could just sit around all day pretending im superior. much rather work the land, make something worth while. feels like an honest days work. stuff that REAL and that actualy matters

[BFritz21]

(06-20-2023, 04:57 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: That's one thing you and I agree on. This, along with the majority of things corporations do regarding social progressivism, is a cynical cash grab where they're chasing public sentiment, but never leading it. They are not interested in doing much beyond virtue signaling because they don't want to actually spend money or effort on making positive change. They just want to profit off of it.

If they actually cared about progressivism, they wouldn't be paying lobbyists and politicians to keep their regulations low and their taxes even lower. Change costs money, and corporations love signaling towards change while resisting the necessary taxes to enact it.

Beautiful post.

When was the last time you saw a major corporation go out on a limb and make a statement that people got behind that invoked change?

They wait for the popular opinion to go one way and they try and jump on it before everyone else. 

Bud Light tried to get out ahead of it before everyone else, which who could blame them with how woke the country seemed to be becoming, and it just backfired.

[Belsnickel]

(06-20-2023, 05:36 PM)Leon Wrote: its not mis gendering for folks that dont believe in that stuff. this is what you dont get. just because you say something or are triggered by certain things dont actually mean your right an the other person is wrong. 

I understand that you do not agree with modern medicine/science. I understand that you choose to be disrespectful towards individuals because you disagree with the way they live their life. I get all of that.

What's the phrase people like to use? "**** your feelings" I believe it is. I don't care about your feelings towards the issue. You're choosing to be disrespectful towards another human being because of your feelings towards their life choices. Well, being disrespectful is derogatory towards them and is a forum violation. I am on the side of modern medicine/science, which isn't about feelings.

[*pally*]

(06-20-2023, 05:14 PM)Leon Wrote: notice no one was talking about polotics history like dill was going on about or folks brains like ludicus was going on about. or reading books like you are going on about. you all cant even stick to what i was saying. wonder why. hmm? 

and what makes real world. being honest, standing up for whats right an fighting back on whats wrong. providing for your family. working hard. being responsible. all those things are what the real world is about. not acting like your better than those folks or acting like you know more of what really matters. 

for that last part i marked. you might be right. i dont think i could just sit around all day pretending im superior. much rather work the land, make something worth while. feels like an honest days work. stuff that REAL and that actualy matters

This entire thread has been about politics. 

no one is going to listen to folks like you cause they dont want to read a hole book...YOU brought up books.

You just described the vast majority of Americans from both sides of the political spectrum;

not acting like your better than those folks or acting like you know more of what really matters. 


Right, so you don't throw your religious beliefs in everyone's face like being religious makes you the arbitrator of right and wrong; morality or immorality; like somehow you are the only one capable of making those decisions for the world.  Come on man!  Every post of yours is filled with your self-righteous moral superiority.

for that last part i marked. you might be right. i dont think i could just sit around all day pretending im superior. much rather work the land, make something worth while. feels like an honest days work. stuff that REAL and that actualy matters

Every minute of every day, you utilize something developed by someone putting in an honest day's work in their office. 

[Leon]

(06-20-2023, 05:41 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I understand that you do not agree with modern medicine/science. I understand that you choose to be disrespectful towards individuals because you disagree with the way they live their life. I get all of that.

What's the phrase people like to use? "**** your feelings" I believe it is. I don't care about your feelings towards the issue. You're choosing to be disrespectful towards another human being because of your feelings towards their life choices. Well, being disrespectful is derogatory towards them and is a forum violation. I am on the side of modern medicine/science, which isn't about feelings.

i think the more important thing is that its being disrepectful towards God. in the end, that all that matters. you feelings arent important if they stand opposed to God. i would say you should be more concerned with being on the right side of this stuff in His eyes than being in favor with a movement or politics side of things. and no the side of science aint on your side as you think. i can show you scientists who say completly different

[Belsnickel]

(06-20-2023, 05:48 PM)Leon Wrote: i think the more important thing is that its being disrepectful towards God. in the end, that all that matters. you feelings arent important if they stand opposed to God. i would say you should be more concerned with being on the right side of this stuff in His eyes than being in favor with a movement or politics side of things. and no the side of science aint on your side as you think. i can show you scientists who say completly different

I follow the commandments as Jesus taught us. And science is on my side. I don't care what individual scientists think; that's not how it works. Science is based on hypotheses being tested and retested. Replicated results and peer reviews that form a consensus. There will always be those that disagree with the consensus, but until they alter the mainstream by disproving the current models, then it doesn't matter what they think. At that point it is just their feelings on it.