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Is Trump wearing off on Pence?
#1
Or was Pence always a liar but he covered it with his bible thumping?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/04/10/mike-pence-scolds-pete-buttigieg-cnbc-interview/3431342002/


Quote:Vice President Mike Pence defended his opposition to same-sex marriage in an interview Wednesday in which he also scolded Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg for making comments "critical of my Christian faith and about me personally."



"He knows better," Pence said in a CNBC interview scheduled to air Thursday. "He knows me."


Asked by CNBC's Joe Kernen if his position on marriage equality had evolved in the past two decades as public opinion has shifted, Pence said: "My family and I have a view of marriage that’s informed by our faith."


"And we stand by that," Pence continued. "But that doesn’t mean that we’re critical of anyone else who has a different point of view."


His comments were the latest development in what Buttigieg, the openly-gay mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has called his "long and complicated relationship" with the former Indiana governor.

The Democrat and Republican worked together on economic development and other issues in Indiana.


“We had a great working relationship," Pence said on CNBC.


But Buttigieg was a vocal opponent of a "religious freedom" law Pence backed that critics called a license to discriminate against gay people.


As Buttigieg has been exploring a presidential bid that he's expected to make official Sunday, he's frequently criticized Pence and his record on gay rights issues.


In remarks Sunday that received widespread media attention, Buttigieg said he wished the “Mike Pences” of the world would understand that he didn’t choose to be gay.


“That if you have a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator,” Buttigieg said at a fundraising brunch for a group that supports LGBTQ candidates.


After delivering a speech at the United Nations and before the CNBC interview Wednesday, Pence ignored shouted questions from reporters about whether he believes people choose to be gay.

Buttigieg vs. Pence: Tensions flare in 'long and complicated' relationship between Pete Buttigieg and Mike Pence
'A voice from the Christian left': Buttigieg to Pence: If you have a problem with who I am, your quarrel is with my creator


Republicans have accused Buttigieg of attacking Pence to raise his own profile, even though he previously had a cordial relationship with Pence.


The vice president, likewise, told Kernan that he understands the Democratic field is crowded and "they're all competing with one another for how much more liberal they are than the other."


The New York Times reported Wednesday that Buttigieg's attacks "have miffed the vice president, who has privately told allies that if Mr. Buttigieg had questions about his religious beliefs, he could have asked him at any time during their friendship."


Pence's wife and daughter have also weighed in this week as they've made media appearances promoting their new children's book about the family's pet rabbit.


“It’s perfectly OK for us to believe what we believe. People shouldn’t take that as us attacking what they believe,” Karen Pence said on Fox News Tuesday. “Mike Pence can believe what he believes. And Mayor Pete can believe what he believes.”


In the children's book that Charlotte Pence wrote and her mother illustrated, the family rabbit visits places in Washington meant to illustrate the meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance. First stop is the Washington National Cathedral, which, the rabbit learns, is a symbol of religious freedom


"I wrote this book before religious liberty was a hot topic," Charlotte Pence said on Fox when asked about Buttigieg's criticisms of her father. "I think it is important for kids to learn at a young age that religious liberty means you can believe in God or you can not believe in God. And you don't have to be afraid to hold that belief."


Buttigieg, who talks often about his faith on the campaign trail, told reporters Monday that most Christians understand that it's not OK to discriminate against gay people.


"It's time to move on to a more inclusive and more humane vision of faith than what this vice president represents," he said.

First: The the two Pence cult members are correct:  Religious freedom means you can believe or not believe what you choose.

However there is this Trump-like pretzel logic from the VP in three sentences:


Quote:Asked by CNBC's Joe Kernen if his position on marriage equality had evolved in the past two decades as public opinion has shifted, Pence said: "My family and I have a view of marriage that’s informed by our faith."


"And we stand by that," Pence continued. "But that doesn’t mean that we’re critical of anyone else who has a different point of view."




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Buttigieg was a vocal opponent of a "religious freedom" law Pence backed that critics called a license to discriminate against gay people



Pence isn't "critical" of anyone with a different view, he just wants people to be able to discriminate against people who believes differently than him.
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I don't get the title.
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(04-11-2019, 08:37 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't get the title.

Pence is lying.  He says one thing and does another.  Not what I would expect from him...especially compared to his boss.
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(04-11-2019, 08:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: Pence is lying.  He says one thing and does another.  Not what I would expect from him...especially compared to his boss.

I don't think it's quite the same.  People say inconsistent things all the time, and believe both.  That's different than just flat out fabricating things.
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(04-11-2019, 08:42 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't think it's quite the same.  People say inconsistent things all the time, and believe both.  That's different than just flat out fabricating things.

That's why asked if Trump was wearing off on Pence and didn't say Pence was turning into Trump.   Smirk
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The same part of the Bible that tells Pence it's not ok to be gay also tells him to put Trump to death for adultery, so meh...he clearly isn't as keen on the book as he acts.
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What did he lie about?
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(04-11-2019, 01:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What did he lie about?

I quoted it.  Have a look.   ThumbsUp
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(04-11-2019, 01:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I quoted it.  Have a look.   ThumbsUp

I understand if you don't want to tell me.

I looked at the entire article and re-read some of the bold (I assume that done so the reader would focus on that part, but who knows around here) and I didn't see any proven lie.
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(04-11-2019, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I understand if you don't want to tell me.

I looked at the entire article and re-read some of the bold (I assume that done so the reader would focus on that part, but who knows around here) and I didn't see any proven lie.

I stopped reading after "I understand..." Mellow
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(04-11-2019, 01:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: I stopped reading after "I understand..."   Mellow

I don't blame you. Makes things easier.
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