Ivana's grave

[GMDino]

So I hesitated to post about this because it seems silly, but I read something today that made it more Trump worthy.

Trump's first wife, Ivana, passed away after a fall down the steps at her home.  Ruled accidental.

She is buried at one of Trump's golf course, near the first tee, where few will see her if they are golfing there.

Some conspiracies popped up that this was done so the body could not be exhumed to see if Trump had her killed. As if he would climb steps to do anything...lol.

But he applied for the plots back in 2017. <-- Edit: He filed the paperwork in 2014.

However today I read this:  It's a tax dodge.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks. <br><br>So I checked the NJ tax code &amp; folks...it's a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income &amp; sales tax, all eliminated. <a href="https://t.co/VDZBlDyuhQ">pic.twitter.com/VDZBlDyuhQ</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Harrington (@EBHarrington) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status/1553533320469905409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2022</a></blockquote> 

What a cheap, horrible "man" and family. 

[hollodero]

Ah, so Trump is an awful, unethical person who maybe has done something awful and unethical here.

Imho the thing is, those that see him that way are unsurprised; those that don't see him that way won't change their mind over this. In that sense, this thread appears to be of little value. Maybe the higher value would be to leave the deceased women alone instead of using her death to make the 10.000th point about Trump. Especially since she probably was not forced by Trump to be buried there against her stated will.

In a similar sense, no matter what I'd think about the eulogies, they are not really my business to care about.

[*Nately120*]

I'd judge, but whom among us hasn't buried an ex wife in an unorthodox place for the purpose of financial gain?

[BigPapaKain]

(07-31-2022, 11:48 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'd judge, but whom among us hasn't buried an ex wife in an unorthodox place for the purpose of financial gain?

*slowly raises hand*

[GMDino]

(07-31-2022, 11:04 AM)hollodero Wrote: Ah, so Trump is an awful, unethical person who maybe has done something awful and unethical here.

Imho the thing is, those that see him that way are unsurprised; those that don't see him that way won't change their mind over this. In that sense, this thread appears to be of little value. Maybe the higher value would be to leave the deceased women alone instead of using her death to make the 10.000th point about Trump. Especially since she probably was not forced by Trump to be buried there against her stated will.

In a similar sense, no matter what I'd think about the eulogies, they are not really my business to care about.

Fair point.  As I said it seemed trivial, and on point for Trump and his family.

But beyond the site of the grave, which is why I hesitated to post about it, until it turned out he thinks so little of anyone else that he was willing to make sure he got a tax break while HE was alive without a care about where he was dumping the bodies of his "loved ones".  I think that's an even higher level of evil from DJT than even *I* expected.

The eulogies are just there to add that the rot from Trump goes all the way through his offspring.

Edit to add if there was a better place in another thread to add this I would have rather than have a new one.

[*pally*]

(07-31-2022, 10:41 AM)GMDino Wrote: So I hesitated to post about this because it seems silly, but I read something today that made it more Trump worthy.

Trump's first wife, Ivana, passed away after a fall down the steps at her home.  Ruled accidental.

She is buried at one of Trump's golf course, near the first tee, where few will see her if they are golfing there.

Some conspiracies popped up that this was done so the body could not be exhumed to see if Trump had her killed. As if he would climb steps to do anything...lol.

But he applied for the plots back in 2017. <-- Edit: He filed the paperwork in 2014.

However today I read this:  It's a tax dodge.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks. <br><br>So I checked the NJ tax code &amp; folks...it's a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income &amp; sales tax, all eliminated. <a href="https://t.co/VDZBlDyuhQ">pic.twitter.com/VDZBlDyuhQ</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Harrington (@EBHarrington) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status/1553533320469905409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2022</a></blockquote> 

What a cheap, horrible "man" and family. 

He also has some goats on the Bedminster property in order to qualify for classification of farm/agriculture instead of a golf course which gives him a huge property tax break

[hollodero]

(07-31-2022, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: Fair point.  As I said it seemed trivial, and on point for Trump and his family.

But beyond the site of the grave, which is why I hesitated to post about it, until it turned out he thinks so little of anyone else that he was willing to make sure he got a tax break while HE was alive without a care about where he was dumping the bodies of his "loved ones".

Well, to be precise these are rather your assumptions. Not to kid myself, there might be truth to them and Trump sure is an unethical person, but still. As stated. I can't imagine that Ivana Trump was opposed to this final resting place and that he buried her there despite that. Another point would be that as your article stated, Trump already pays hardly any tax on the Bedminster grounds, for they are declared as farmland. Why would one need a tax break for a property that is basically tax-free already.

looking at these two factors, I can imagine that it's just possible the family likes the spot for their final resting place. Trump himself allegedly wants to be buried there too. In any case, to me there's just a certain hurdle of proven unrighteousness to pass before it's appropriate to go after a family for where they choose to get their dead ones buried. And I don't think that hurdle is passed and hence I'd deem it better to display common piety and leave them alone on this.

It's not like there's not a million other things about Trump over which one can scorn him. This one, I don't know. I guess it might appear petty and in that sense might be counterproducive. Aka see, typical Trump haters, they go after him over everything, not even stopping at the dead ex-wife.

(07-31-2022, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: The eulogies are just there to add that the rot from Trump goes all the way through his offspring.

Maybe, I mean, there is plenty of evidence for that. But still, piety. I think even an awful family should have the right to not have their eulogies for their deceased mother hashed over extensively in the media.

[guyofthetiger]

Personally, I think Trump can bury his ex wife wherever he wants as it is a family decision. People are always looking for a scandal against Trump. Leave him alone please.

[Belsnickel]

Yes, leave this man alone who is notorious for pushing bullshit conspiracy theories as well as being a grifter.

[Leon]

(07-31-2022, 02:30 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yes, leave this man alone who is notorious for pushing bullshit conspiracy theories as well as being a grifter.

trump derangment is still real as heck. its so wierd. no matter what trump does there are people just sitting round waiting to slam him no matter how silly it is. seem like folks just want to hate him no matter what. 

[Leon]

(07-31-2022, 01:36 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: Personally, I think Trump can bury his ex wife wherever he wants as it is a family decision. People are always looking for a scandal against Trump. Leave him alone please.

they cant leave him alone. its obsession. 

[hollodero]

(07-31-2022, 02:38 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: trump derangment is still real as heck. its so wierd. no matter what trump does there are people just sitting round waiting to slam him no matter how silly it is. seem like folks just want to hate him no matter what. 

Well, that tends to happen if someone is an awful human being displaying said awfulness in a thousand pretty undisputable manners. People will see that person in that light at every turn. That's on Trump, not on the people.

[Arturo Bandini]

Imagine just having the idea of that ...

[BigPapaKain]

(07-31-2022, 02:38 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: trump derangment is still real as heck. its so wierd. no matter what trump does there are people just sitting round waiting to slam him no matter how silly it is. seem like folks just want to hate him no matter what. 

Oh TDS is definitely real. Just not in the way people who peddle it think it is.

[*Nately120*]

It's more depressing in her 30+ years after he dishonored his vow to her taken before man and God that she didn't find someone else to handle her final resting place.

[Leon]

(07-31-2022, 02:41 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, that tends to happen if someone is an awful human being displaying said awfulness in a thousand pretty undisputable manners. People will see that person in that light at every turn. That's on Trump, not on the people.

he got his flaws. we all do. calling him a awful person is a pretty big judgment when we have issues to. what makes him so terrible, cause he dont do things like you think he should. what standard you making these judgements. like i say, he aint perfect but he aint a monster like the left likes to pretend. 

[*jason*]

(07-31-2022, 03:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It's more depressing in her 30+ years after he dishonored his vow to her taken before man and God that she didn't find someone else to handle her final resting place.

This... I don't recall my dad burying his first wife, so that part is kinda weird. I'd also like to touch on the trash location, marker, and arrangement of this grave as well. This is something you do with a pet.

[hollodero]

(07-31-2022, 03:51 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: he got his flaws. we all do. calling him a awful person is a pretty big judgment when we have issues to. what makes him so terrible, cause he dont do things like you think he should. what standard you making these judgements. like i say, he aint perfect but he aint a monster like the left likes to pretend. 

You really want to apply this whole "no one can pass judgement over anyone ever for we all have flaws" philosophy again? Which is just a terrible fake take. No one could ever go to a judge and say yeah I did break in, knocked the inhabitants down, stole all the money and then set the house on fire, but we all have flaws, each and every one of us, and so no one has any moral right to judge me! So I need to be set free, lots of houses to rob and burn. Awful, awful philosophy, but you know that of course. Those who applaud you might reconsider though.

To answer what makes Trump so terrible. He ran a fake university, scamming people into giving him their life savings. He betrayed his pregnant wife with a pornstar. He... 
...but well, you know all that already, the whole incredibly long list of shitty things Trump said and done, so let's just save a thousand pages and skip to the end. He knew a mob was forming on January 6, they consisted of Proud Boys and oath keepers and all sorts of folks primed for violence. Trump knew who they were, he knew they were armed and up to wreak havoc, yet he wanted them to proceed to Congress anyway and in fact edged them on. In the best possible scenario (which most certainly does not apply) he was indifferent to the idea they might bring chaos and violence and death, he didn't care. That is how a terrible person would act, again even in the best of scenarios. In all likelihood, he wanted people to get killed, he wanted to be some kind of Julius Caesar scaring senators into submission so he could remain in power even when being duly unelected. But in any way, terrible person.

And yeah I have my flaws, severe ones even, but I am better than that. Eg. I never accepted people being physically harmed and killed when I did not get my wishes. Which is nothing to brag about for sure, pretty much everyone is better than that. But since I am distinctly better than careless, vain and narcissistic Trump, I can pass judgment by calling him what he is, a terrible human being. A "so are you" response does not apply.

[Leon]

(07-31-2022, 04:10 PM)jason Wrote: This... I don't recall my dad burying his first wife, so that part is kinda weird.  I'd also like to touch on the trash location, marker, and arrangement of this grave as well. This is something you do with a pet.

your focused to much on earthly stuff. when you die none of that matters no more. they can put me at the bottom of the lake i dony care cause it dont matter. shes either in heaven with God or in eternal darkness. either way it dont matter about a plot of land.

[Leon]

(07-31-2022, 04:14 PM)hollodero Wrote: You really want to apply this whole "no one can pass judgement over anyone ever for we all have flaws" philosophy again? Which is just a terrible fake take. No one could ever go to a judge and say yeah I did break in, knocked the inhabitants down, stole all the money and then set the house on fire, but we all have flaws, each and ever one of us, and so no one has any moral right to judge me! So I need to be set free, lots of houses to rob and burn. Awful, awful philosophy, but you know that of course. Those who applaud you might reconsider though.

To answer what makes Trump so terrible. He ran a fake university, scamming people into giving him their life savings. He betrayed his pregnant wife with a pornstar. He... 
...but well, you know all that already, the whole incredibly long list of shitty things Trump said and done, so let's just save a thousand pages and skip to the end. He knew a mob was forming on January 6, they consisted of Proud Boys and oath keepers and all sorts of folks primed for violence. Trump knew who they were, he knew they were armed and up to wreak havoc, yet he wanted them to proceed to Congress anyway and in fact edged them on. In the best possible scenario (which most certainly does not apply) he was indifferent to the idea they might bring chaos and violence and death, he didn't care. That is how a terrible person would act, again even in the best of scenarios. In all likelihood, he wanted people to get killed, he wanted to be some kind of Julius Caesar scaring senators into submission so he could remain in power even when being duly unelected. But in any way, terrible person.

And yeah I have my flaws, severe ones even, but I am better than that. Eg. I never accepted people being physically harmed and killed when I did not get my wishes. Which is nothing to brag about for sure, pretty much everyone is better than that. But since I am distinctly better than careless, vain and narcissistic Trump, I can pass judgment by calling him what he is, a terrible human being. A "so are you" response does not apply.

once you dont sin no more the feel free to cast your stones friend. until then we are all in the same boat. fallen unworthy creatures. me and you can both pass judgments but only one has the true final judgement. 

God loves trump just as much as he does you and me, cause we all the same children in his eyes. you can try to make yourself superior to trump in your own mind but thats your ego making you look down your nose at others. trump makes mistakes. you make mistakes. why are you superior. cause you justify your mistakes to you and say i must be better than trump. 

sin is sin buddy. we are all fallen. just be thanfull God is willing to forgive us. one more thing. of all the things you acuse trump of, how many has he actually been found guilty of. just cause people say stuff dont mean its a fact. you keep saying what trump intended like your inside his head. your just making it what you want based on what you been told. only trump knows for sure what he was thinking.