Kasich: "Women left their kitchens to back me"

[*Nately120*]

We all said some crazy stuff in 1978.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-23-2016, 01:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There was a time when women were discriminated against in the job marketplace.

I don't see it as a problem now, but Kasich was talking about back in the 1970's.

You mean a time when employers were free to hire capable and qualified people for a job, without being targeted for lawsuits.

[fredtoast]

(02-23-2016, 02:25 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: You mean a time when employers were free to hire capable and qualified people for a job, without being targeted for lawsuits.

No.  I am talking about the time when many male bosses thought that jobs should go to men and that women should stay home.  They thought that giving a job to a woman was punishing a man who needed it more.

Many employers back then also thought that women could not do many of the jobs that men could.

This is all common knowledge to people who know something about history.

[Vas Deferens]

(02-23-2016, 12:30 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Everyone I knew growing up would've gotten their ass beat for wrecking their bike while doing something stupid. 
A bike was a large chunk of change for lower middle-class families. 
If you broke the rules set for riding it (no stunts by my fam), you got punished. 
Heck, I got my ass beat for things my younger brothers done, because I didn't stop them.
I guess I have that to thank for an incredible  level of pain tolerance.
I could have done without being beat with extension cords though.

extension cords were literally the worst.  i'd take a belt any day.

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(02-23-2016, 02:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  I am talking about the time when many male bosses thought that jobs should go to men and that women should stay home.  They thought that giving a job to a woman was punishing a man who needed it more.

Many employers back then also thought that women could not do many of the jobs that men could.

This is all common knowledge to people who know something about history.

If SN can somehow make a claim that this never happened like he's twisted other facts, I'll have to give him some credit for originality at least.  


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(02-23-2016, 02:33 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: If SN can somehow make a claim that this never happened like he's twisted other facts, I'll have to give him some credit for originality at least.  


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I am betting that he proves that there was a woman once in the 60's who had a good job.  That is usually the extent of his "proof".

or else he will just say that it is his opinion that it never happened and no one can possibly disagree with his opinion.

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(02-23-2016, 02:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  I am talking about the time when many male bosses thought that jobs should go to men and that women should stay home.  They thought that giving a job to a woman was punishing a man who needed it more.

Many employers back then also thought that women could not do many of the jobs that men could.

This is all common knowledge to people who know something about history.

Well a man that has children does need a job a little bit more than a woman who is just looking for work because she was told being a stay at home mom is oppressive.

Women still can't do many of the jobs that men can do.

I would love to see a woman do a laborious job at the same rate the average male can.  Look no further than the sports to see that we have to separate women from the men, or the men would just dominate the women.

This would be common sense to people that weren't so clueless.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-23-2016, 02:33 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: If SN can somehow make a claim that this never happened like he's twisted other facts, I'll have to give him some credit for originality at least.  


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You are so cute.  Still trying to be an adult.  No fact twisting here.  I just don't accept the Marxist revisionist history that you have.

(02-23-2016, 02:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am betting that he proves that there was a woman once in the 60's who had a good job.  That is usually the extent of his "proof".

or else he will just say that it is his opinion that it never happened and no one can possibly disagree with his opinion.

I will do you one better. 

Black female - Annie Malone  Built a cosmetic company in the 1920s, amassing a $127 million dollar fortune.

I will even throw in a white female.

Bette Nesmith Graham- invented white out and at her death had an estate worth $50 million.

The extent of my proof is not to name EVERY woman that is successful.  Just to name 1 or 2 maybe a few more.  To illustrate that it wasn't as bad as you claim it was.

I couldn't name every successful woman, but you claim there were NONE.

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(02-23-2016, 05:28 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Well a man that has children does need a job a little bit more than a woman who is just looking for work because she was told being a stay at home mom is oppressive.

No women went to work just because they were told they had to.  

But at least you are admitting that women were discriminated against in employment.  You are starting to make some progress. 

[fredtoast]

(02-23-2016, 05:40 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: I couldn't name every successful woman, but you claim there were NONE.

I never intended to make that claim.

[Benton]

(02-23-2016, 12:30 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Everyone I knew growing up would've gotten their ass beat for wrecking their bike while doing something stupid. 
A bike was a large chunk of change for lower middle-class families. 
If you broke the rules set for riding it (no stunts by my fam), you got punished. 
Heck, I got my ass beat for things my younger brothers done, because I didn't stop them.
I guess I have that to thank for an incredible  level of pain tolerance.
I could have done without being beat with extension cords though.

completely OT, but when I was a kid I had a four wheeler. It was brand new, super shiny and all that. We lived out in the woods, so I spent more time on it than my bike.

Anyway, my favorite thing to do was ride it full speed into a stump that was out in the middle of our back yard. Get up some speed, slam into it and BAM, it would catapult you over the handle bars. My friends would come over and we'd make a game of it, see who could get launched the farthest.

It was a great game. Until my dad was doing some maintenance on it and saw how beat up the bar in front of the front axle was.

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(02-23-2016, 05:52 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No women went to work just because they were told they had to.  

But at least you are admitting that women were discriminated against in employment.  You are starting to make some progress. 

No.  When an employer had 1 spot to fill, he is more likely going to hire a man that has children over a woman that is just wanting a job.  That isn't discrimination that is the employer knowing that men are harder workers and are less likely to miss work to tend to their children.

(02-23-2016, 05:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I never intended to make that claim.

So are you admitting that you made the claim?  Talk about progress.

[fredtoast]

(02-23-2016, 05:58 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: So are you admitting that you made the claim?  

No.  I am pointing out that you lack reading comprehension.

[fredtoast]

(02-23-2016, 05:58 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote:  That isn't discrimination that is the employer knowing that men are harder workers

Men are not harder workers than women.

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(02-23-2016, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  I am pointing out that you lack reading comprehension.

I thought so.  Fred you will never change.

(02-23-2016, 06:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Men are not harder workers than women.

OK.  As long as you just say so.

[Benton]

(02-23-2016, 05:58 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: No.  When an employer had 1 spot to fill, he is more likely going to hire a man that has children over a woman that is just wanting a job.  That isn't discrimination that is the employer knowing that men are harder workers and are less likely to miss work to tend to their children.

 

Eh, I'd disagree. Just my own experience, but I have far fewer problems with female workers than male. It could just be the industries I've been in, but men tend to be the ones who no call/no show, who have more actual conflicts with co-workers (not trivial stuff like taking someone's seat in a meeting, but actual "escort them from the building" problems), and who generally try to get by with less. Hell, even when I was in construction, I worked with two or three women out of a crew of 20ish. The women worked harder than the guys, always showed up sober (half the guys were still up from the night before) and complained less about breaks or working late.

[Vas Deferens]

(02-23-2016, 06:10 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh, I'd disagree. Just my own experience, but I have far fewer problems with female workers than male. It could just be the industries I've been in, but men tend to be the ones who no call/no show, who have more actual conflicts with co-workers (not trivial stuff like taking someone's seat in a meeting, but actual "escort them from the building" problems), and who generally try to get by with less. Hell, even when I was in construction, I worked with two or three women out of a crew of 20ish. The women worked harder than the guys, always showed up sober (half the guys were still up from the night before) and complained less about breaks or working late.

but SPORTS!

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(02-23-2016, 06:10 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh, I'd disagree. Just my own experience, but I have far fewer problems with female workers than male. It could just be the industries I've been in, but men tend to be the ones who no call/no show, who have more actual conflicts with co-workers (not trivial stuff like taking someone's seat in a meeting, but actual "escort them from the building" problems), and who generally try to get by with less. Hell, even when I was in construction, I worked with two or three women out of a crew of 20ish. The women worked harder than the guys, always showed up sober (half the guys were still up from the night before) and complained less about breaks or working late.

The times have changed a lot.  I am coming across people (men and women) that have 0 clue what hard work means.

I know in the Military, I have seen men do more of the heavy lifting jobs, while the women would just kind of hang around.

It would also depend on the job as well.

My experience is definitely different though than yours. 

I think though, Fred will allow you to use your experience and anecdotal evidence, because it is in line with his stance.

Mine is just anecdotal and doesn't prove anything.

[Benton]

(02-23-2016, 06:12 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: but SPORTS!

I've worked with or supervised a dozen or so sports reporters over the years. About a quarter of them have been female, and I'd rank most of them above all but two of the guys. They just did a better job and less buddy-ism.

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(02-23-2016, 06:12 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: but SPORTS!

Yes.  Sports.

How would women do against men in the NFL?

Let us get some of those LFL women (yes!) and put them on the field with the men in the NFL.  I mean, they should be able to make the game close right?

Like I said, you are so adorable.  You keep trying, and that is what is important.