Kim Davis' meeting with the Pope a farce....

[GMDino]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/02/445236066/vatican-details-pope-s-meeting-with-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202502

Quote:Vatican Details Pope's Meeting With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis

Responding to a flood of interest in the surprise revelation that Pope Francis met with controversial county clerk Kim Davis, the Vatican says the event shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of all of Davis' views. Davis has refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in Rowan County, Ky.

Davis was one of "several dozen" people the pope met at the end of his visit to Washington, D.C., the Vatican says.

News of the private meeting surfaced days after Francis and Davis met at the Vatican embassy, opening a new prism through which to view a papal visit that had focused on issues such as climate change and immigration.

After the meeting, Davis told ABC News, "Just knowing the pope is on track with what we're doing, and agreeing, you know, kind of validates everything."

Acknowledging that the meeting has "continued to provoke comments and discussion," Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi addressed the topic Friday, expanding on his earlier refusal to provide details.

From Rome, NPR's Sylvia Poggioli reports:

"After issuing a tight-lipped statement that did not deny the Davis-Pope meeting took place, the Holy See spokesman today issued a statement saying several dozen persons had been invited to the Vatican embassy last week to greet the pope as he prepared to leave for New York.
"The pope, the statement added, did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.
"When news of the meeting broke after the Pope's return to Rome, it had the appearance of having been furtive and contrasted with Francis' open and transparent style. It also cast a shadow over the pope's overwhelmingly successful visit to the United States."
Sylvia adds that another Vatican spokesman, Father Thomas Rossica, says that Pope Francis may not have understood "the impact" a visit with Davis might have in the U.S.; Rossica also says the group that included Davis was selected by the nunciature, the Vatican's diplomatic office in D.C.

On Wednesday, Davis and her legal team at the Liberty Counsel said that the meeting had been brief, and that the pope had thanked Davis for her courage and told her, "Stay strong."

News of the meeting first emerged in the conservative magazine Inside the Vatican, which said it was "arguably, the most significant meeting, symbolically, of the entire trip."

Davis, who is an an Apostolic Christian, said the pope gave her and her husband two rosaries, which they would give to Davis' parents, who are Catholic.

Here's Lombardi's full statement, which was released in both English and Italian:

"The brief meeting between Mrs. Kim Davis and Pope Francis at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, DC has continued to provoke comments and discussion. In order to contribute to an objective understanding of what transpired I am able to clarify the following points:
"Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope's characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.

"The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects."

[GodHatesBengals]

Yeah. I thought something was off about this from the moment I heard it.

Kim Davis's 15 minutes are almost up. Time to (hire somebody else to) write the book, get a couple Hannity interviews, make bank and retire.

[StLucieBengal]

So he did meet her... With others.

How is this any different than before? Did anyone actually think the pope spent hours 1 on 1 with her?

Sounds like people just assumed then tried to run the militant gays after him and trash his visit. They didn't need to attack him on that, he actually wasted time on climate change. Which is pretty comical.

[*michaelsean*]

So why was she one of the dozen who met him, and not Bob from Tulsa? She was there for some reason.

[Belsnickel]

Yeah, I'm calling shenanigans. She was chosen because of the approval by the Vatican of her current battle. The Vatican is now trying to pull on the reins a bit but the image is pretty clear. A non-Catholic figure as controversial as Davis was chosen for one reason, it's not hard to see.

[GMDino]

(10-02-2015, 11:22 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So he did meet her...  With others.  

How is this any different than before?   Did anyone actually think the pope spent hours 1 on 1 with her?    

Sounds like people just assumed then tried to run the militant gays after him and trash his visit.    They didn't need to attack him on that, he actually wasted time on climate change.   Which is pretty comical.

Because her people said this:

Quote:"Just knowing the pope is on track with what we're doing, and agreeing, you know, kind of validates everything."

-Kim Davis spokesman

She turned it into propaganda.

[BmorePat87]

from what I read, these guests were chosen by the Vatican ambassador to the US. The only person with a private meeting was a former student of the Pope.

Either way, I hope people realize that this Pope isn't some liberal reformer nor is he some stalwart of conservatism. Catholicism doesn't fit into one side of the US political spectrum. Francis just doesn't come off as sith lord like as Benedict. He still has the same beliefs.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-02-2015, 03:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Catholicism doesn't fit into one side of the US political spectrum. Francis just doesn't come off as sith lord like as Benedict. He still has the same beliefs.

Right. But the problem with admitting this is that some (mostly conservative) people would then have to face the fact that their church accepts the science behind climate change, something that Faux News and their other brainwashers have taught them they can never accept. And as usual, their political brainwashing trumps their religious brainwashing, so the Pope loses.

It's not news that the Catholic church is against gay marriage, nor is it news that they believe a lot of untrue crap about the world they live in.

[BmorePat87]

(10-02-2015, 03:56 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Right. But the problem with admitting this is that some (mostly conservative) people would then have to face the fact that their church accepts the science behind climate change, something that Faux News and their other brainwashers have taught them they can never accept. And as usual, their political brainwashing trumps their religious brainwashing, so the Pope loses.

It's not news that the Catholic church is against gay marriage, nor is it news that they believe a lot of untrue crap about the world they live in.

and liberals would have to accept that their church does not accept homosexuality or gay marriage, so the pope isn't all the sudden "not cool" because he saw Kim Davis.

I know it's not news. You know it's not. A lot of others think he is cool with it now.

[Belsnickel]

Another narrative the Vatican is trying to put out there: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vatican-confirms-pope-met-with-gay-student-partner/ar-AAf1wU3?ocid=fbmsn

Quote:VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican on Friday distanced Pope Francis from Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk at the center of the U.S. gay marriage debate, saying she was one of dozens of people the pope greeted as he left Washington and that their encounter "should not be considered a form of support of her position."

And in a new twist, the Vatican revealed that the "only real audience" Francis had in Washington was with a former student and his family, who later identified himself as Yayo Grassi, an openly gay Argentine who met the pope with his longtime partner and some friends.

The revelations turned the table on the narrative of Davis' encounter, making clear that Francis wanted another meeting to come to light: that of an old student and his "family," who happens to be gay.

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Francis met with "several dozen" people at the Vatican's embassy in Washington just before leaving for New York. Lombardi said such meetings are normal on any Vatican trip and are due to the pope's "kindness and availability."

And Lombardi said Davis' "brief" meeting that afternoon was by no means a papal endorsement of her cause.

"The pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects," Lombardi said.

"The only real audience granted by the pope at the nunciature was with one of his former students and his family," Lombardi added.

Lombardi didn't reveal who the student was, but the man subsequently came forward: In a video posted online, Grassi is shown entering the embassy, embracing his former teacher and introducing Francis to his partner, whom Francis recognized from a previous meeting, and a few friends from Asia.

A Vatican assistant spokesman, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, confirmed that the former student was indeed Grassi.

An audience differs from a meeting in that it is a planned, somewhat formal affair. Popes have audiences with heads of state. They have meetings and greeting sessions with benefactors or Catholic VIPs. So the fact that Lombardi described Grassi's encounter as the only "real audience" in Washington made clear that Francis wanted to emphasize that encounter over Davis' "brief meeting" with several dozen other people invited to the embassy at the same time.

[BmorePat87]

(10-02-2015, 04:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Another narrative the Vatican is trying to put out there: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vatican-confirms-pope-met-with-gay-student-partner/ar-AAf1wU3?ocid=fbmsn

Plays up the whole "We're nice to and care about gay people... but they are destroying the family unit" image

[*bfine32*]

The Pope seriously undersestimated the agendas that drive US media.

News is not a priority.  

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-02-2015, 04:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Plays up the whole "We're nice to and care about gay people... but they are destroying the family unit" image

Haha. Right? The Pope is a politician. News to: right-wingers that wanted another Hitler Youth, liberal Catholics who wanted Bernie Sanders in a robe, and absolutely nobody else.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-02-2015, 11:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: Because her people said this:




She turned it into propaganda.

Well isn't that the basic religious stance?

This whole thing is just becoming dumb.

It's a petty gov issue. Either impeach her or leave it be.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-02-2015, 04:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Plays up the whole "We're nice to and care about gay people... but they are destroying the family unit" image

Well it does destroy the family unit. Just like countless other things that society pushes.

[*Nately120*]

(10-02-2015, 05:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well it does destroy the family unit.  Just like countless other things that society pushes.

If your family unit is destroyed by gays it wasn't all that strong to begin with.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-02-2015, 05:46 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If your family unit is destroyed by gays it wasn't all that strong to begin with.

Talking about the family unit. Mother, father, kids. The less of them the worse off we all are as a society.

[crispy]

(10-02-2015, 06:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Talking about the family unit.   Mother, father, kids.   The less of them the worse off we all are as a society.

Gays not getting married doesn't change the number of your traditional "family unit".

[GMDino]

(10-02-2015, 06:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Talking about the family unit.   Mother, father, kids.   The less of them the worse off we all are as a society.

Proper family units or any family units?

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-02-2015, 05:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well it does destroy the family unit.  Just like countless other things that society pushes.

Successful marriages, between gay and straight couples who care for each other and their children, strengthen the family unit.

Divorce is what destroys it. People like Kim Davis has destroyed multiple families.