Kobach witness can’t support claim that illegal votes helped Hillary Clinton

[*bfine32*]

(03-15-2018, 11:00 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Three points.

1.  Gore/Bush it was explained away as something that "has not happened in over 100 years" and "almost never happens".  No one can say that now that it has happened twice in the last 5 elections.

2.  Bush was not so thin skinned that he made up huge lies to try and explain why he lost the popular vote.

3.  9-11 happened shortly after the '00 election which unified the country for a while.

So we agree. 

[BmorePat87]

(03-14-2018, 03:41 PM)Au165 Wrote: Actually there have been articles written about it years later, some up to 10+ years later. I think it is revisionist history to act as if it wasn't a big deal then, or even the years following the election. Honestly, there are a couple things at play that make the situation slightly different. Today's social media's environment is fueling partisan politics and negative outlooks of the opposite party. You're hearing about it 24/7, and all other topics too, because that is the age we live in constant media all the time. Another large things was that the topic just kind of went by the way side after 9/11 as the country actually came together and moved on with bigger issues at hand to deal with.

This is all true. It was a big deal for years. With regards to 2016, it's an even bigger deal because people tend to see 3 million or 2% more votes as more significant than 500 thousand and 0.5% more votes. 

Though one difference is Bush didn't keep bringing it up, didn't suggest those 500,000 more votes were illegal, and didn't create a commission to prove so. 

[*Nately120*]

(03-16-2018, 12:16 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: This is all true. It was a big deal for years. With regards to 2016, it's an even bigger deal because people tend to see 3 million or 2% more votes as more significant than 500 thousand and 0.5% more votes. 

Though one difference is Bush didn't keep bringing it up, didn't suggest those 500,000 more votes were illegal, and didn't create a commission to prove so. 

Maybe if Bush would have had the balls to make a bigger deal out of those 500,000 illegal votes then 2016 wouldn't have seen 3 million people illegally voting for Hillary!


Honestly, I don't see why Trump's fans don't just say that Trump beat Hillary in the biggest blowout since Reagan v Mondale in 1984.

[*bfine32*]

(03-16-2018, 12:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Maybe if Bush would have had the balls to make a bigger deal out of those 500,000 illegal votes then 2016 wouldn't have seen 3 million people illegally voting for Hillary!


Honestly, I don't see why Trump's fans don't just say that Trump beat Hillary in the biggest blowout since Reagan v Mondale in 1984.

I just roll with: he won.

[*Nately120*]

(03-16-2018, 01:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I just roll with: he won.

Can you convince him to do that, too?  

[GMDino]

(03-16-2018, 01:09 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Can you convince him to do that, too?  

[*bfine32*]

(03-16-2018, 01:09 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Can you convince him to do that, too?  

Most likely not, but unlike so many here, I do not excuse my actions by comparing them to those of Trump.

[GMDino]

(03-16-2018, 01:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Most likely not, but unlike so many here, I do not excuse my actions by comparing them to those of Trump.

I suppose, unlike so many here, you also don't understand how the actions of Trump work within the context of these threads and posts.

[fredtoast]

(03-16-2018, 01:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Most likely not, but unlike so many here, I do not excuse my actions by comparing them to those of Trump.

Of course you don't.  You are too busy deflecting any blame from him.

(03-14-2018, 03:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Here we are going on 2 years later and folks still bring it up and then they say because POTUS cannot let it go 

[*bfine32*]

(03-16-2018, 06:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Of course you don't.  You are too busy deflecting any blame from him.

Actually you proved my point by bringing up my earlier quote; as I deflected no blame for Trump's pettiness, I simply pointed out that many on here do petty things and then excuse it by saying "Well Trump Does it"

Thanks for the assist. I like the "new" Fred better than the old Fred. 

[*bfine32*]

(03-16-2018, 02:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: I suppose, unlike so many here, you also don't understand how the actions of Trump work within the context of these threads and posts.

No, I understand completely. Many on here are obsessed with the man. 

[Dill]

(03-16-2018, 06:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No, I understand completely. Many on here are obsessed with the man. 

Democrats make it sound like an erratic president who doesn't know much about government and fires policy experts who disagree with him and hides his overseas financial ties and uses his power to interfere with FBI investigations and punish potential witnesses, all while a porn star is suing him and 6 more women come forward to accuse him while he is preparing to undo an Iran treaty signed by Germany, France, Russia and China just before going to cut a nuclear deal with NK, is somehow a big problem for the country.

You know they would not be doing this if Hillary were president.

[GMDino]

(03-16-2018, 06:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No, I understand completely. Many on here are obsessed with the man. 

You mean we comment on what the POTUS says and does and point out when he is completely wrong and makes stuff up?  Yep.


He picked Kobach to prove his paranoid delusion that millions of illegal votes cost him the popular vote.  That ended quickly because Kobach wanted information on voters that the states did not have to/want to provide.  Meanwhile Kobach's own investigation into the same thing in his state of Kansas has fallen completely apart because there is no there there.

Pointing out that Trump makes stuff up to protect himself and his ego is not an obsession.  Constantly defending him by attacking people who point out his failing is an obsession.

Fortunately not many on here do THAT.

Right?

[Dill]

(03-19-2018, 11:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: You mean we comment on what the POTUS says and does and point out when he is completely wrong and makes stuff up?  Yep.

At least you admit it.

[fredtoast]

(03-16-2018, 06:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually you proved my point by bringing up my earlier quote; as I deflected no blame for Trump's pettiness, I simply pointed out that many on here do petty things and then excuse it by saying "Well Trump Does it"

Actually what you did was act like Trump deserved no blame at all for repeatedly bring up the results of the popular election.  you tried to act like the Dems were being petty for bringing it up and trying to blame it on Trump.

[GMDino]

(03-19-2018, 01:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually what you did was act like Trump deserved no blame at all for repeatedly bring up the results of the popular election.  you tried to act like the Dems were being petty for bringing it up and trying to blame it on Trump.

Well, to be fair, bfine claims he doesn't remember hearing much about the popular vote.  Apparently he has only heard Clinton supporters talk about it...not the POTUS who mentions it about once a month.  


But again, to be fair, he also claims to not care what the POTUS tweets...only what he says.  Because tweets are not the POTUS words saying anything.  

[*bfine32*]

(03-19-2018, 11:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: You mean we comment on what the POTUS says and does and point out when he is completely wrong and makes stuff up?  Yep.


He picked Kobach to prove his paranoid delusion that millions of illegal votes cost him the popular vote.  That ended quickly because Kobach wanted information on voters that the states did not have to/want to provide.  Meanwhile Kobach's own investigation into the same thing in his state of Kansas has fallen completely apart because there is no there there.

Pointing out that Trump makes stuff up to protect himself and his ego is not an obsession.  Constantly defending him by attacking people who point out his failing is an obsession.

Fortunately not many on here do THAT.

Right?

Kindly illustrate my Trump obsession by posting every thread I have started that is Pro- Trump; other than that you can just hit the back arrow, look at a few pages of threads, and deduce for yourself where this obsession comes from. 

[*bfine32*]

(03-19-2018, 01:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually what you did was act like Trump deserved no blame at all for repeatedly bring up the results of the popular election.  you tried to act like the Dems were being petty for bringing it up and trying to blame it on Trump.

Kindly show where I "acted like" Trump deserved no blame. 

Dems are petty for bringing up the popular vote, just look who did it first in this thread and you might find your source(s) of pettiness. 

[Dill]

(03-19-2018, 06:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Kindly show where I "acted like" Trump deserved no blame. 

Dems are petty for bringing up the popular vote, just look who did it first in this thread and you might find your source(s) of pettiness. 

Let's start with this post.

If Trump deserves blame for lying about the popular vote, then Dems are not petty for bringing up that lying.

But if the Dems are petty for bringing up the lies, then Trump deserves no blame.
You say the Dems are petty . . . ergo . . .

This carries over to other threads where you have found fault with people who find fault the POTUS. 

That is "acting like" our horn dog president who is trashing diplomacy and pushing the country to constitutional crisis with his interference in criminal procedures deserves no blame.

We never find you criticizing Trump, but ALWAYS criticizing those who critique his vulgarity and lying.

[*PhilHos*]

(03-20-2018, 04:38 AM)Dill Wrote: Let's start with this post.

If Trump deserves blame for lying about the popular vote, then Dems are not petty for bringing up that lying.

But if the Dems are petty for bringing up the lies, then Trump deserves no blame.
You say the Dems are petty . . . ergo . . . 

Pettiness is not dependent on the veracity of a topic. Pettiness is dependent on the seriousness and/or importance of a topic.
Trump lying about the popular vote is a petty subject because it does not matter. There are far more serious topics and many more egregious things Trump has done that warrant discussion that render a topic such as this petty.