Latino media supports Trump?

[SunsetBengal]

Not sure what to make of this, anyone here of the Latino community who could offer some insight?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dems-reeling-as-spanish-news-giant-univision-changes-its-tune-on-trump/ar-AA1jVZSW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=66db20eede594129ad4623309cd7beae&ei=42

Quote:The stars in their courses just might be aligning for a Donald Trump victory in 2024 -- just as they did in 2016. And the most recent evidence of that is Univision appearing to change its tune toward the former president.

The top-rated Spanish speaking television network is under new management and has taken a much more favorable view of Trump than it did during 2020.

The Mexican media company Grupo Televisa merged with Univision in 2022 to create TelevisaUnivision, Variety reported.

In a Tuesday article, The Washington Post noted -- with a clear subtext of distress -- the rapprochement between Trump and Univision.

"When Donald Trump ran for re-election in 2020, his campaign called Univision, the nation’s most influential Spanish-language network, 'a leftist propaganda machine and a mouthpiece of the Democrat Party,'" the Post recounted.
"Three years later, Trump is treating Univision and its new corporate owners like long-lost friends. He hosted a trio of its executives at Mar-a-Lago last week during an hour-long Univision interview that was notable for its gracious tone, starting with a question about how well he is doing among Latino voters in early general election polling," the news outlet added.

"Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, a friend of one of the executives, helped arrange the interview and was also in the room, according to multiple people familiar with the event," the Post said.

He cited a recent New York Times/Siena College poll published last week, finding Trump trailing President Joe Biden among Hispanics by single digits: 50 to 42 percent.

In 2020 CNN exit polling showed Biden beating Trump 65 to 32 percent among Latinos. Similarly, Pew Research found Biden garnered 59 percent support to Trump's 38 percent.

In response to the question about his apparent rising support among Latinos, Trump said, "The Latino vote is so incredible because they're unbelievable people. They have incredible skills, incredible energy, and they're very entrepreneurial."

“All you have to do is look at the owners of Univision. They’re unbelievable entrepreneurial people, and they like me,” he added.

Acevedo pointed out the Times poll showed Trump beating Biden in Arizona and Nevada, which have large Hispanic populations. Biden carried both those states in 2020.

"I think bigger than anything now is security. They want security," Trump said. "They want to have a border."

The Post criticized Acevedo for not pressing Trump harder during the interview.

He defended his approach writing in Spanish, “I’m a reporter and my job is to ask questions. The prominence belongs to the information.”

In other words rather than asking loaded questions to put the spotlight on himself, Acevedo appeared to be saying, "Let the people hear Trump's responses and judge him for themselves."

How refreshing.

According to the Post, Univision ran the Trump interview during its most popular 10 p.m. hour and did not allow the Biden campaign to run commercials during the broadcast as counter-programming.

The company said the same policy will be in place if Biden agrees to an interview with the network.

The continued Latino swing toward Trump is just one development that appears to be boosting his chances in 2024.

The independent runs of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West, along with Green Party candidate Jill Stein's entry in the race, are all likely to bleed votes from Biden much more than Trump.

It will make the race less predictable to gauge for the oddsmakers, as well.

All of this is on top of the Democrats' ridiculous, politically-motivated 91 felony charges and other civil actions against Trump, the leading Republican candidate.

Democrats have turned Trump into the victim, making his a more sympathetic figure for many.

Univision's change in tone is just one more factor boosting Trump's chances in 2024.

[CKwi88]

Many Latino voters are originally from/descendants of people from places like Cuba and Venezuela, countries that have been ruined by socialism and communism (and ironically enough, US policy). Couple this with much less policing of disinformation campaigns in their native language that falsely equate Biden/"the left" with "socialism" and "communism" and it has certainly contributed, along with other factors, a shift in the Latino vote away from the Democratic party.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

I'm not Hispanic, but a large number of my coworkers and friends are. There are several reasons for this apparent shift. One, Hispanics tend to be more socially conservative. Two, as was already brought up, many of them are first or second generation whose families fled socialist regimes. But this also plays into another factor. Many of them came from areas were the rule of law was basically non-existent and criminals acted with impunity. Thanks to "progressive" DA's and the like we're now getting that here. Look to Memphis for your most recent example of many. Also, crime tends to have a disproportionate impact on, as the Dems like to put it, "black and brown" communities. Hispanics aren't irretrievably in bed with the Dems, for the above reasons and others, so they will shift their vote when the policies of one party are provably unworkable or harmful. Honestly, the only issue of note that really keeps, or kept, Hispanics voting Dem was immigration. But the surge of illegal migrants and the subsequent cost of that has many Hispanics flipping on that issue as well.

I would add, in fairness, that my colleagues probably lean conservative for Hispanics, but my friend group does not and their views are very similar. Take it how you choose.

[GMDino]

(11-15-2023, 09:40 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Not sure what to make of this, anyone here of the Latino community who could offer some insight?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dems-reeling-as-spanish-news-giant-univision-changes-its-tune-on-trump/ar-AA1jVZSW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=66db20eede594129ad4623309cd7beae&ei=42

They established a policy of not allowing opponents to run ads during the other's program.

I mean the article say "new corporate owners"...am I supposed to be surprised the like P01135809 more?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-15-2023, 12:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: They established a policy of not allowing opponents to run ads during the other's program.

I mean the article say "new corporate owners"...am I supposed to be surprised the like P01135809 more?

Interesting attempt at deflection.  How does it address the following part of the article?

He cited a recent New York Times/Siena College poll published last week, finding Trump trailing President Joe Biden among Hispanics by single digits: 50 to 42 percent.

In 2020 CNN exit polling showed Biden beating Trump 65 to 32 percent among Latinos. Similarly, Pew Research found Biden garnered 59 percent support to Trump's 38 percent.

Trump's Hispanic backing in 2020 was up from 2016 when Hillary Clinton won 66 percent to Trump's 28 percent, according to Pew.

[StoneTheCrow]

If they don’t vote for Biden, are they still Hispanic? Someone should ask him.

[GMDino]

(11-15-2023, 12:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Interesting attempt at deflection.  How does it address the following part of the article?

He cited a recent New York Times/Siena College poll published last week, finding Trump trailing President Joe Biden among Hispanics by single digits: 50 to 42 percent.

In 2020 CNN exit polling showed Biden beating Trump 65 to 32 percent among Latinos. Similarly, Pew Research found Biden garnered 59 percent support to Trump's 38 percent.

Trump's Hispanic backing in 2020 was up from 2016 when Hillary Clinton won 66 percent to Trump's 28 percent, according to Pew.

It doesn't address that part of the article because I wasn't talking about that part of the article.



Polls are polls.  

I don't have a large Latino population near me or as friends or co-workers, unlike you, so I'll see what happens.

[SunsetBengal]

(11-15-2023, 01:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: It doesn't address that part of the article because I wasn't talking about that part of the article.



Polls are polls.  

I don't have a large Latino population near me or as friends or co-workers, unlike you, so I'll see what happens.

That is an interesting point, however both Pennsylvania and Ohio both have a significant Amish population.  I wonder if anyone studies their political tendencies?

[HarleyDog]

(11-15-2023, 11:46 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not Hispanic,

Gringo.  

[GMDino]

(11-15-2023, 01:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is an interesting point, however both Pennsylvania and Ohio both have a significant Amish population.  I wonder if anyone studies their political tendencies?

I tried.  They wouldn't answer the phone.

[SunsetBengal]

(11-15-2023, 01:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: I tried.  They wouldn't answer the phone.

You have to call the business phone out in the barn or shop. 

[*Nately120*]

(11-15-2023, 01:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is an interesting point, however both Pennsylvania and Ohio both have a significant Amish population.  I wonder if anyone studies their political tendencies?

Along with the joke(?) about the Amish not approving of voting machines (they might not for all I know) I think it would come down to if the Amish had caved in on their beliefs of non violence in the same way Christians have.  I don't think we have a particularly non violent vote with our whopping 2 parties, but the same way Trump's "rough 'em up, push me and I'll crush you" macho bravado plays well with other demographics, it may turn off the Amish.

Then again, I think the short answer is that the Amish don't get involved in politics as a sort of rule regardless of who they support or prefer.  They seem a  lot more committed to the idea that their god controls them rather than the modern political American idea that god is this sort of weapon you bring along to justify what you want to do and what you want to be right.  They're more in tune with the sacrifice of religion rather than the worldly English "what's in it for me" version of modern religion.

Just my 2 cents.  They could be lining up outside my house with muzzle loaders under Trump's orders right now for all I know.

[GMDino]

(11-15-2023, 02:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You have to call the business phone out in the barn or shop. 

All seriousness aside we have an Amish guy who comes in to go through our scrap occasionally and he has a mobile phone.  Might be more Mennonite than Amish I guess.

[SunsetBengal]

(11-15-2023, 02:09 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Just my 2 cents.  They could be lining up outside my house with muzzle loaders under Trump's orders right now for all I know.

Nah, but if you hear horshoes clopping down your block, you'd better watch your back.  Elsewise you could be subject to a ride by beating.. 

[Luvnit2]

Liberals don't believe in polls. Liberals believe if you are black and you vote for Trump or any Republican, you are an Uncle Tom and not black.

Maybe the polls are accurate, maybe not but I think they are usually within the margin of error. Current polling say Black voters favor Trump over 20% right now, he received 8% of their vote in 2020.

Same with Latinos, in 2020 huge majority for Biden, but now polling says less than 10% favor Biden.

These numbers are signifiant, 2 voting blocks Democrats can't afford to lose a lot of them in 2024. The average household has lost $800 a month net a month or almost $10,000 of spending power since Biden took office. Bidenomics is a disaster and being felt by the lower and middle class. Biden's team and the media continues to try and market itself out of the financial crisis being felt, it won't work.

I also think a lot of black and latino voters see Trump being persecuted by the Biden DOJ. They see states so afraid of Trump, they have attempted to keep him off the ballot. Black people understand persecution, they see it against Trump daily by the DOJ and by the liberal media.

Every poll I have seen is consistent on Biden job poor job performance on:

1. Inflation
2. Economy
3. Immigration (illegal immigrants taking from low income families)
4. Crime
5. Foreign Affairs

Result poor Biden performance overall and country going in wrong direction. His mental weakness and age is also a major issue, 76% say Biden is too old to run in 2024. How do you turn that number around, he won't get younger, he certainly shows his energy and his ability to execute simple teleprompter speeches will likely get worse.

[GMDino]

(11-15-2023, 03:27 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Liberals don't believe in polls. Liberals believe if you are black and you vote for Trump or any Republican, you are an Uncle Tom and not black.

Is that there one them "painting with broad brush" I keep reading about?

[Rotobeast]

(11-15-2023, 01:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is an interesting point, however both Pennsylvania and Ohio both have a significant Amish population.  I wonder if anyone studies their political tendencies?

In Holmes County, they are quite conservative. There have even been buggies with Trump flags flying behind.

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[BigPapaKain]

(11-15-2023, 03:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: Is that there one them "painting with broad brush" I keep reading about?

It's only broad strokes if you say something about Conservatives.

Otherwise it's all facts.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-15-2023, 01:34 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Gringo.  

Nah, it's Güero.

[HarleyDog]

(11-15-2023, 05:27 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: In Holmes County, they are quite conservative. There have even been buggies with Trump flags flying behind.

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Wait.... Amish people vote?