Louisville Will Erupt!

[*bfine32*]

(09-24-2020, 03:43 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Why are both left leaners and right leaners repping this post?

That's not supposed to happen on this message board! 

[fredtoast]

(09-24-2020, 12:49 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What exactly/specifically in the Breonna Taylor case is a black/white/whatever/racism issue ?

(09-24-2020, 01:07 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Nothing.  And the same with the other high profile cop shootings lately.

(09-24-2020, 01:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You could ask this about every high profile killing that the evil or ignorant choose to make about race. 

Minorities view these incidents differently from you guys because of the long history of law enforcement having racist policies like racial profiling or their experiences with individual officers who treated them differently because of their race.  White people have the privilege of never even having to consider this issue.

Imagine if you had a room mate who you had caught stealing from you or a girlfriend who had cheated.  After that you would always suspect your room mate whenever something went missing and you would not believe your girlfriend if you saw her out with another man she claimed was "just her friend".

Now imagine that you had also caught the friends of your room mate and girlfriend lying to protect them.  Even now there are still law enforcement officers who will claim that police never use racial profiling in spite of all the documented cases.  How can minorities trust law enforcement when this is still happening?

This is why minorities suspect race has something to do with all of these recent killings/cover ups by law enforcement.

[*bfine32*]

Couple updates in Louisville

Protesters moved to a church for sanctuary just before curfew. Police let them stay there but then folks got mad because the Police wouldn't let them leave and walk through a crime scene to get to their cars.

Mayor stated if you're peacefully protesting and those around you are not, then separate yourself or you will be arrested

Police told Militia that "We don't need your help".

[Mickeypoo]

(09-25-2020, 01:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Minorities view these incidents differently from you guys because of the long history of law enforcement having racist policies like racial profiling or their experiences with individual officers who treated them differently because of their race.  White people have the privilege of never even having to consider this issue.

Imagine if you had a room mate who you had caught stealing from you or a girlfriend who had cheated.  After that you would always suspect your room mate whenever something went missing and you would not believe your girlfriend if you saw her out with another man she claimed was "just her friend".

Now imagine that you had also caught the friends of your room mate and girlfriend lying to protect them.  Even now there are still law enforcement officers who will claim that police never use racial profiling in spite of all the documented cases.  How can minorities trust law enforcement when this is still happening?

This is why minorities suspect race has something to do with all of these recent killings/cover ups by law enforcement.

And what about the police who have to deal with the 13% of a specific population that is involved with a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime and murder compared to the rest of the Country?  You don't think that is going to have something to do with the way they think, act and profile?

Some self awareness and accountability can go a long way.  I guess it's just easier to blame someone else.

[fredtoast]

(09-25-2020, 01:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: And what about the police who have to deal with the 13% of a specific population that is involved with a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime and murder compared to the rest of the Country?  You don't think that is going to have something to do with the way they think, act and profile?

Why don't police just deal with the individuals who actually break the law instead of stopping innocent people because of the color of their skin?

Why is that too much to ask?

If you want to talk about the group most likely to commit violent crime it would be "Males".  The difference in the crime rate between men and women is three times greater than the violent crime rate difference between races.  So you are a member of the most criminally violent demographic in this country.  Would you be okay with the police constantly stopping and trying to search you just because you are a "male"?

[Mickeypoo]

(09-25-2020, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why don't police just deal with the individuals who actually break the law instead of stopping innocent people because of the color of their skin?

Why is that too much to ask?

If you want to talk about the group most likely to commit violent crime it would be "Males".  The difference in the crime rate between men and women is three times greater than the violent crime rate difference between races.  So you are a member of the most criminally violent demographic in this country.  Would you be okay with the police constantly stopping and trying to search you just because you are a "male"?

Why don't all the rioters and looters and people screaming racism look at the facts instead of using assumption and emotion?  Maybe if they did, they would realize the police are not out to get them like the media likes to portray.

Is that to much to ask?

What are those numbers of males per race vs % of population?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-25-2020, 01:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Couple updates in Louisville

Protesters moved to a church for sanctuary just before curfew. Police let them stay there but then folks got mad because the Police wouldn't let them leave and walk through a crime scene to get to their cars.

Mayor stated if you're peacefully protesting and those around you are not, then separate yourself or you will be arrested

Police told Militia that "We don't need your help".

Sounds like sensible action on all counts.

[Mickeypoo]

(09-25-2020, 02:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sounds like sensible action on all counts.

Agreed.

[masonbengals fan]

https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/24/rev-jesse-jackson-calls-on-athletes-to-boycott-uk-uofl/

The good rev. making his contribution to the cause.

[Mickeypoo]

(09-25-2020, 02:11 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/24/rev-jesse-jackson-calls-on-athletes-to-boycott-uk-uofl/

The good rev. making his contribution to the cause.

Never let the facts get in the way of some good race baiting and division.

[masonbengals fan]

(09-25-2020, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why don't police just deal with the individuals who actually break the law instead of stopping innocent people because of the color of their skin?

Why is that too much to ask?

If you want to talk about the group most likely to commit violent crime it would be "Males".  The difference in the crime rate between men and women is three times greater than the violent crime rate difference between races.  So you are a member of the most criminally violent demographic in this country.  Would you be okay with the police constantly stopping and trying to search you just because you are a "male"?

 It's not too much to ask.

 But that's not what happened in Louisville that night. At least according to what I've read. 

[*bfine32*]

(09-25-2020, 02:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sounds like sensible action on all counts.

Yes, I proud of the city and they protesters. Of course we had the 2 officers shot, but the person was quickly taken into custody with the help of protesters.  There has been some vandalizing but no looting.

Now over the weekend I expect out of town agitators to descend on the city and stir things up. I hope those on both sides reject them. 

[Dill]

(09-24-2020, 02:03 PM)Benton Wrote: But overall, the biggest issue for some is why there was a no knock warrant issued in the first place. The police were on an expedition; the warrant was issued based on the fact that Taylor's ex-boyfriend had sometimes received packages there in the past which may have contained drugs. The ex resided 10 miles away and they hadn't been together in two years.

That's all it took to suspend her rights. She'd dated a guy who sold drugs miles away from her apartment.

I hope people don't misunderstand: the police were correct in returning fire. They were being fired upon. The problem is, their reason for being in the apartment at all was circumstantial and most likely could have been solved by having a conversation with Taylor.

Well said.  It is a system in which everyone can follow the law and produce such a sad result that upsets people. Repeating that "the officers followed procedure" only tends to make the powers that be seem more out of touch with the problem.

(09-24-2020, 02:03 PM)Benton Wrote: None, that I know of. I couldn't tell you what race the cops are, the judge who signed the warrant or what race the boyfriend is.

It's really not a racial issue, but instead about the over reach of authority. Which is why some people are finding fault with Cameron. 

I do wonder if the cops and the judge knew what race Taylor was.  If they believed that 13% of the population are responsible for most of the crime, they might have been a little more over-reach ready if they knew she was black.

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(09-25-2020, 02:11 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/24/rev-jesse-jackson-calls-on-athletes-to-boycott-uk-uofl/

The good rev. making his contribution to the cause.

That's because Jesse is from SC. He's tired of being UK's whipping boy in the SEC. 

[fredtoast]

(09-25-2020, 01:56 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Why don't all the rioters and looters and people screaming racism look at the facts instead of using assumption and emotion? 

Racial profiling by law enforcement is a fact.

Police lying to cover up for bad cops is a fact.

The existence of racism in America today is a fact.

Now please tell me what "fact" you have to prove that none of the recent killings/cover ups (George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmed Arbery) were in no way racially motivated.  I'll bet you don't have any.  Instead it is just your point of view.  You don't think racism is ever an issue unless there is some sort of clear and convince proof that it is.  But based on the life experiences of minorities they think racism is an issue  unless there is some clear and convincing evidence that it is not.  Since there is usually no clear and convincing evidence either way you are always going to see things differently from minorities.  As a white person you have the privilege to assume that racism is never an issue.

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(09-25-2020, 01:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Minorities view these incidents differently from you guys because of the long history of law enforcement having racist policies like racial profiling or their experiences with individual officers who treated them differently because of their race.  White people have the privilege of never even having to consider this issue.

Imagine if you had a room mate who you had caught stealing from you or a girlfriend who had cheated.  After that you would always suspect your room mate whenever something went missing and you would not believe your girlfriend if you saw her out with another man she claimed was "just her friend".

Now imagine that you had also caught the friends of your room mate and girlfriend lying to protect them.  Even now there are still law enforcement officers who will claim that police never use racial profiling in spite of all the documented cases.  How can minorities trust law enforcement when this is still happening?

This is why minorities suspect race has something to do with all of these recent killings/cover ups by law enforcement.

I wouldn't trust that room mate or girlfriend anymore.

Should I now not trust all room mates and girlfriends? 

[*bfine32*]

(09-25-2020, 02:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Racial profiling by law enforcement is a fact.

Police lying to cover up for bad cops is a fact.

The existence of racism in America today is a fact.

Now please tell me what "fact" you have to prove that none of the recent killings/cover ups (George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmed Arbery) were in no way racially motivated.  I'll bet you don't have any.  Instead it is just your point of view.  You don't think racism is ever an issue unless there is some sort of clear and convince proof that it is.  But based on the life experiences of minorities they think racism is an issue  unless there is some clear and convincing evidence that it is not.  Since there is usually no clear and convincing evidence either way you are always going to see things differently from minorities.  As a white person you have the privilege to assume that racism is never an issue.

Why weren't all the black people with Floyd not killed? 

They only fired in the Breonna residence after being fired upon. Is it your assertion that if Breonna was White they would not have fired?

Arbery was not killed by cops. 

[fredtoast]

(09-25-2020, 02:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why weren't all the black people with Floyd not killed? 

So I guess since 100% of the black people in the South were not lynched by the KKK that means the KKK were not racist.  What logical  white person could possibly disagree with that argument? 

(09-25-2020, 02:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They only fired in the Breonna residence after being fired upon. Is it your assertion that if Breonna was White they would not have fired?

It is possible that they never would have used outdated information to get a "no knock" warrant against a white girl who had dated a drug dealer 2 years ago.

(09-25-2020, 02:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Arbery was not killed by cops. 

But the murder was justified by a white District Attorney who is a part of the criminal justice system.

[masonbengals fan]

(09-25-2020, 02:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Racial profiling by law enforcement is a fact.

Police lying to cover up for bad cops is a fact.

The existence of racism in America today is a fact.

Now please tell me what "fact" you have to prove that none of the recent killings/cover ups (George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmed Arbery) were in no way racially motivated.  I'll bet you don't have any.  Instead it is just your point of view.  You don't think racism is ever an issue unless there is some sort of clear and convince proof that it is.  But based on the life experiences of minorities they think racism is an issue  unless there is some clear and convincing evidence that it is not.  Since there is usually no clear and convincing evidence either way you are always going to see things differently from minorities.  As a white person you have the privilege to assume that racism is never an issue.

 Isn't that why every case should/needs to be examined on it's own accord? Fact

 Instead even when race plays no part whatsoever that is what is being blamed. Fact

 Which only deadens peoples ears & hearts to when it actually happens. Fact

 
 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-25-2020, 02:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why weren't all the black people with Floyd not killed? 

They only fired in the Breonna residence after being fired upon. Is it your assertion that if Breonna was White they would not have fired?

Arbery was not killed by cops.

I believe that it was hitting on Fred's point of, "The Existence of Racism today in America is a Fact."