Mass Shooting at San Antonio Elementary School
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Mass Shooting at San Antonio Elementary School
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07-20-2022, 09:07 AM
(07-18-2022, 04:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm sensing that one good guy is better than 400 police so "defund the police" isn't so crazy after all? The great thing about the ignorant "Defund the police" movement is the idiots who support it are starting to see the results, and don't even realize it.  Reap what you sow.
08-01-2022, 09:58 AM
Does this make sense to anyone outside of the hose shaking his head in agreement?
I'm all for the right to bear arms but this is straight up goofy. ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1kwsTjL8BNqlszNtnCE/giphy.gif) Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self. 
08-01-2022, 10:58 AM
(08-01-2022, 09:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: Does this make sense to anyone outside of the hose shaking his head in agreement? Boebert is an idiot, but if you actually listen to the clip it's pretty clear what her point is. 
08-01-2022, 11:08 AM
They grabbed guns in england and Australia and, well I guess they eat gross stuff too.
Point made. ![[Image: 4CV0TeR.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4CV0TeR.png)
08-01-2022, 11:21 AM
(08-01-2022, 11:08 AM)Nately120 Wrote: They grabbed guns in england and Australia and, well I guess they eat gross stuff too. Yes, the "straight to socialism" argument is over the top. But, using Australia and the UK as examples actually helps prove 2A advocates point. Both countries have laws that would be wildly unconstitutional here. Australia was forcing people into quarantine camps, something that also would never be tolerated here. It's not government restrictions when things are good that people are concerned about, it's what they'll try and pull in the name of a "national emergency" or other event. I don't know how people can look at the government response to Covid and not wonder what shit they'd pull with a more lethal virus or more catastrophic event.
08-01-2022, 11:30 AM
(08-01-2022, 11:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yes, the "straight to socialism" argument is over the top. But, using Australia and the UK as examples actually helps prove 2A advocates point. Both countries have laws that would be wildly unconstitutional here. Australia was forcing people into quarantine camps, something that also would never be tolerated here. It's not government restrictions when things are good that people are concerned about, it's what they'll try and pull in the name of a "national emergency" or other event. I don't know how people can look at the government response to Covid and not wonder what shit they'd pull with a more lethal virus or more catastrophic event. The government sucks, but libertarians get 1 percent of the vote while the GOP passes gun control and pulls this BS scare tactic stuff to misdirect people. We dont want the 2A so much as we want to be poor martyrs who are willing to die for our endangered rights....next time. We will fight and die for it next time. Promise. Unless people who were protesting the now illegality of bump stocks overthrew Trump when I wasn't looking. Ah well that's just an unnecessary gun right isn't it? God bless Trump and Reagan for doing gun control right.
08-01-2022, 11:43 AM
(08-01-2022, 11:30 AM)Nately120 Wrote: The government sucks, but libertarians get 1 percent of the vote while the GOP passes gun control and pulls this BS scare tactic stuff to misdirect people. People still have it good here. Comfortable people don't rise up. Also, as I said before the ban, which is likely to be struck down now anyways, bump stocks are a stupid range toy. I'm sure there's a few idiots out there who think it's a game changer for them, but you can achieve the exact same effect with a shoelace or your belt loop and the way the mechanism works makes the weapon wholly inaccurate. Now, if the "assault weapons" ban actually goes into effect (it won't) and the government starts actually confiscating people's property, that could be a tipping point. Not saying I want that (that's for the looking to twist an argument crowd), but it could definitely happen. Hell, it happened at that Bundy ranch over far less.
08-01-2022, 11:50 AM
People expecting the party that is campaigning on reducing or eliminating our right to vote to allow us to own the means to overthrow them are living in a fantasy land, by my estimation.
As for bump stocks bring a range toy, arent most guns just range toys? If you're lucky they should be. Just seems like a slippery slope to let the government decide what we "don't really need" in regards to guns. But a republican did it and made gun grabbing remarks, so 74 million votes. And Bobert and her husband are criminals and gun fetishists who damage perception of sane gun owners. Fetish and fear and rhetoric from shady ass people. Blech.
08-01-2022, 12:04 PM
(08-01-2022, 11:50 AM)Nately120 Wrote: People expecting the party that is campaigning on reducing or eliminating our right to vote to allow us to own the means to overthrow them are living in a fantasy land, by my estimation. I'll worry about the GOP trying to take away people's guns when they actually start advocating for it and passing legislation to do it. Quote:As for bump stocks bring a range toy, arent most guns just range toys? If you're lucky they should be. Just seems like a slippery slope to let the government decide what we "don't really need" in regards to guns. No, a "range toy" is something that's fun to use at the range but has no practical real world application. Of course the vast majority of gun owners hope to never have to use their weapons in anger, but that doesn't make their firearm a range toy. Quote:But a republican did it and made gun grabbing remarks, so 74 million votes. I think you're underestimating how much anger their was over the bump stock ban. I'm sure it cost Trump some votes, who knows, maybe that was the reason he lost some swing states? Regardless, he did far more for the 2A community in his SCOTUS picks, which have already given the community the ruling they need to tear down the unconstitutional laws enacted in many blue states. "Assault weapon" bans, magazine bans, ammo purchasing restrictions, they're all going bye bye. If you actually read Thomas' ruling he eliminated the use of two step scrutiny for 2A cases, which means all the 9th circuit rulings in favor of restrictions are done, because they exclusively relied on two step scrutiny to justify their rulings. Thomas knew exactly what he was writing and the effect it would have, it's just that most gun grabbers don't realize it yet. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if the NFA gets struck down by this SCOTUS.
08-01-2022, 12:21 PM
I'm not sure what the point of talking about freedom and rights and the constitution is when the SC justices who are pro 2A and the GOP who put them in place are becoming so unpopularly draconian in their rulings and overall vision for America. I've got to tap out here because I'm getting too heated just thinking of how we fellate ourselves (while it is still legal, hardy har) to being oh so free, yet "if you want freedom A, you have to vote for a candidate who will eliminate freedom B and vice verse if you vote for the other side."
So grand, we get to see gun laws in blue states go bye bye, but while we are riding the freedom train we can see a push to eliminate personal freedoms that don't involve fire arms...neat. America, the land of the free where you can only vote for a candidate that will reduce certain freedoms at the promotion of others. I think we're just addicted to being at risk.
08-01-2022, 01:37 PM
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-01-2022, 01:45 PM
(08-01-2022, 01:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: I don't really get her attempts to "look into" other aspects of shooters outside of the gun. I was unaware the 2A said that only people who have what the government deems a "stable home life" are granted the right to own a gun. Who is going to pay for the government to send a shrink into my home to make sure I fit their definition of a good home so I can see if my rights are valid? 
08-01-2022, 02:25 PM
(08-01-2022, 12:21 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm not sure what the point of talking about freedom and rights and the constitution is when the SC justices who are pro 2A and the GOP who put them in place are becoming so unpopularly draconian in their rulings and overall vision for America. I've got to tap out here because I'm getting too heated just thinking of how we fellate ourselves (while it is still legal, hardy har) to being oh so free, yet "if you want freedom A, you have to vote for a candidate who will eliminate freedom B and vice verse if you vote for the other side." This is my biggest issue with single-issue voters and why I vote the way I do. Sure, my views on gun rights are more in line with the GOP, but their positions on so many other things are abhorrent.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
08-01-2022, 02:33 PM
(08-01-2022, 02:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is my biggest issue with single-issue voters and why I vote the way I do. Sure, my views on gun rights are more in line with the GOP, but their positions on so many other things are abhorrent. That probably explains why it's easier to vote blue and say "Well, guns aren't really all that necessary" or vote red and convince yourself that Jesus would totally be packing an AR-15 and telling poor people to stop being such freeloading bitches were he here today. I realize my politics are a big ol' cop out mostly, but stuff like this is likely why it's easier to just pick a side and then believe their checklist rather than make a checklist of your own and hope that it coincides with one of the two (soon to be one?) political choices you get. It's easier to say you like freedom and then justify limiting freedom by saying that certain freedoms are bad, so it's ok to take them away and still brag up how free we are.
08-01-2022, 02:35 PM
(08-01-2022, 02:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is my biggest issue with single-issue voters and why I vote the way I do. Sure, my views on gun rights are more in line with the GOP, but their positions on so many other things are abhorrent. I've voted for both parties...usually more on the local ballots. I usually know or know of the candidate and what they are like as people along with their politics. But this year we have a local republican who won't debate his Democrat opponent because she is new to politics. He sent her a letter saying she has to "earn" getting her name out there before he'll "help her" be known to the voters. Mind you she is campaigning hard against him and is doing all the right things to get her name out there. Heck she is on the ballot because of a write in campaign that started a month before the primary. I voted for the republican before but won't this time. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-01-2022, 04:44 PM
The concert was cancelled because they could not enforce a "not guns, no explosives" clause in many of the artists riders due to Georgia laws.
There was a social media push threatening lawsuits if guns were banned too. Please note that "don't shoot anybody" is now interpreted as "leftist propaganda" too. ![[Image: 297087302_611826886979378_30679676768020...e=62ECA22F]](https://scontent.fpit1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/297087302_611826886979378_3067967676802010796_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=mp7trQr5FvIAX_XyEK7&_nc_ht=scontent.fpit1-1.fna&oh=00_AT91W58lOEWBEvHvS6X4xxRn-Raqub_hfl55hwiusO8MdQ&oe=62ECA22F)
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-01-2022, 05:37 PM
(08-01-2022, 02:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is my biggest issue with single-issue voters and why I vote the way I do. Sure, my views on gun rights are more in line with the GOP, but their positions on so many other things are abhorrent. I agree. In my case it's definitely not a single issue that keeps me from voting Dem. It's very frustrating. I can't vote for the GOP because their stance on abortion and same sex marriage is a deal breaker for me. I can't vote for Dems because their stance on gun ownership, defunding the police and "progressive" prosecutors is a deal breaker for me. Yeah!
08-01-2022, 05:46 PM
(08-01-2022, 05:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree. In my case it's definitely not a single issue that keeps me from voting Dem. It's very frustrating. I can't vote for the GOP because their stance on abortion and same sex marriage is a deal breaker for me. I can't vote for Dems because their stance on gun ownership, defunding the police and "progressive" prosecutors is a deal breaker for me. Yeah! Yeah, it's a tough one. Democrats only win in city races, here, and they don't have much authority since it's a Dillon Rule state. State legislators in my area are always Republican and our governor switches off pretty regular and they are never very progressive plus they can only run once. Well, they can run for a second time, but not consecutively and only one person has done that. So anyway, there really isn't any opportunity for me to get tired of Democrats in my area. 
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR 
08-01-2022, 06:25 PM
(08-01-2022, 05:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree. In my case it's definitely not a single issue that keeps me from voting Dem. It's very frustrating. I can't vote for the GOP because their stance on abortion and same sex marriage is a deal breaker for me. I can't vote for Dems because their stance on gun ownership, defunding the police and "progressive" prosecutors is a deal breaker for me. Yeah! That's the importance of voting in primaries for ya. Gotta get the Dems that aren't anti gun and the Rebs that aren't kool-aid drunk psychopaths. I miss fiscal conservatives.
08-01-2022, 06:31 PM
(08-01-2022, 06:25 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: That's the importance of voting in primaries for ya. Gotta get the Dems that aren't anti gun and the Rebs that aren't kool-aid drunk psychopaths. I'll let you know when I find one of those Dems here in CA. Haven't seen one in well over a decade. Quote:I miss fiscal conservatives. I miss intelligent people who weren't rabid ideologues like '00 era John McCain. Sadly, I don't see any of those currently on the rise in either party. Say what you will about her positions, but that does describe Tulsi Gabbard. 
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