Mass shootings

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(02-20-2018, 09:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Perhaps it's just me, but it seems some folks are trying too hard to not view this as something they have advocated for in the past simply because of the messenger. 

No, I see it too.....and I'm not a Trump fan.  That's why I asked earlier if we could quit the mocking of his thoughts and prayers, and followed with the rhetorical "probably not?" after this revelation.  

We need to move past all this partisan bullshit, and actually focus on compromise and getting things accomplished.  If not, remove the parties.  I still remember what McConnell and his cronies did to Obama, now the Dems are playing "I know you are but what am I?"  This shit is getting ridiculous.

Quote:In this day and age, where the Democrat and Republican parties are no longer the voice of Main Street, but the puppets of Wall Street, it is natural that a Third Party should appear to champion the traditionally conservative proposition that the Constitution is the blueprint for the operation of the government of the United States.

Quote:“The parties are the problem.  The leadership of both parties have their horns locked up like two bull-elk fighting over territory, while the business of the people lays dead in the grass.”

~Gatewood Galbraith

[Griever]

florida legislatures refuse to even talk about guns but deem porn dangerous

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/health/florida-legislature-porn-dangerous-but-not-weapons/index.html?sr=twCNNp022118florida-legislature-porn-dangerous-but-not-weapons0747AMVODtop&CNNPolitics=Tw

[GMDino]

(02-20-2018, 09:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Perhaps it's just me, but it seems some folks are trying too hard to not view this as something they have advocated for in the past simply because of the messenger. 

I haven't read Matt's link yet but I wanted to answer in general to your thought.

There is a tic to anything Trump says.  I know I have filter my own dislike for the man over and over (failing a lot of the time).  But he lacks the gravitas to make these statements (with me at least) because he seems to lack sincerity most of the time.  The issue with the bumpstocks has been in the public arena since the Vegas shooting.  That he just now says something rings hollow to a lot of people.

Maybe he wanted to study it more.  Maybe he wanted to get input from people before issuing a statement or memo.

But based on his past impulsiveness and lack of empathy he doesn't get the wiggle room other president's have.

At least that is what I see in what I read and with the people I talk too.

[Griever]

(02-21-2018, 10:31 AM)GMDino Wrote: I haven't read Matt's link yet but I wanted to answer in general to your thought.

There is a tic to anything Trump says.  I know I have filter my own dislike for the man over and over (failing a lot of the time).  But he lacks the gravitas to make these statements (with me at least) because he seems to lack sincerity most of the time.  The issue with the bumpstocks has been in the public arena since the Vegas shooting.  That he just now says something rings hollow to a lot of people.

Maybe he wanted to study it more.  Maybe he wanted to get input from people before issuing a statement or memo.

But based on his past impulsiveness and lack of empathy he doesn't get the wiggle room other president's have.

At least that is what I see in what I read and with the people I talk too.

yeah within hours of any incident with a person of color, or an immigrant, hes quick to spout of vile about a wall or any other buzzword talking point that will rile his base up

when its something done by a white person, hes silent, and then when he finally does speak, he wants to focus on only part of a problem, because the other part donates a boatload of money to his party 

[GMDino]

(02-21-2018, 11:05 AM)Griever Wrote: yeah within hours of any incident with a person of color, or an immigrant, hes quick to spout of vile about a wall or any other buzzword talking point that will rile his base up

when its something done by a white person, hes silent, and then when he finally does speak, he wants to focus on only part of a problem, because the other part donates a boatload of money to his party 

And that is what time and again has happened.

He *is* getting better at offering condolences quicker.

Although, to this day, he has never said anything about the event at the Mosque in MN.

And not to get too far off track, but in a related way, that is why his inane tweets are important.  Not that was he says in them are important but that he takes the time to say them at all while not commenting on other things.  It gives him the appearance of a very shallow man more concerned about personal slights and being "right" than acting as the President for ALL citizens of the United States.  Even the ones who did not vote for him and may not like him.

[BmorePat87]

(02-21-2018, 10:16 AM)Wyche Wrote: No, I see it too.....and I'm not a Trump fan.  That's why I asked earlier if we could quit the mocking of his thoughts and prayers, and followed with the rhetorical "probably not?" after this revelation.  

Thoughts and prayers deserve to be mocked when you propose cutting funding to address the situation you're sending thoughts and prayers for. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(02-21-2018, 11:54 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Thoughts and prayers deserve to be mocked when you propose cutting funding to address the situation you're sending thoughts and prayers for. 

That's a fair assessment. Believe me when I say this, I hardly take many politicians' thoughts and prayers seriously when I see what they do to the middle class on a daily basis.  I see better than I hear.....

[Griever]

(02-21-2018, 12:00 PM)Wyche Wrote: That's a fair assessment. Believe me when I say this, I hardly take many politicians' thoughts and prayers seriously when I see what they do to the middle class on a daily basis.  I see better than I hear.....

but to be fair, thoughts and prayers are useless, meaningless, and without merit

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(02-21-2018, 12:10 PM)Griever Wrote: but to be fair, thoughts and prayers are useless, meaningless, and without merit

To each their own, but that's not how I see it.

[GMDino]

(02-20-2018, 11:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/374724-florida-lawmakers-reject-motion-to-consider-bill-that-would-ban-assault

Just to follow up on this:

They voted down a debate on the bill...not the bill itself.  They didn't even want to talk about it.

However:

On Tuesday, in the Florida House of Representatives, right after voting down a motion to DEBATE a bill on banning assault weapons, the Florida House voted in favor of declaring pornography a public health risk.

Last I checked, Porn hasn't killed anyone in Florida EVER!

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) February 21, 2018

That's just sad.

[GMDino]

(02-21-2018, 12:11 PM)Wyche Wrote: To each their own, but that's not how I see it.

Some people feel that praying will make things better in the future.  Some people don't believe that.

Some people think that those offering thoughts and prayers are doing it because they make themselves feel better by "doing something" without actually doing anything.

To each their own.

I've never quite understood praying for something to change and then saying it's part of "god's plan" if things don't change.  Then praying has no effect if "god's plan" is going forward with or without prayers.

That's just me.  

If someone feels better by praying than so be it.  I used to too.  

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2018, 02:02 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I would be very interested in reading any source with any objective data that suggests children need to be protected from "attention" during the grieving process due to an act of violence. Can you cite one?

Lol As if you care about this topic at all. Everyone knows what your all about .

[Vas Deferens]

(02-21-2018, 01:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Lol As if you care about this topic at all.   Everyone knows what your all about .

classic.  can't produce evidence to back up his intolerable ignorance, pulls this crap instead.

why don't you go play kickball and let the adults have a conversation over here.  

[BmorePat87]

(02-21-2018, 01:27 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: classic.  can't produce evidence to back up his intolerable ignorance, pulls this crap instead.

why don't you go play kickball and let the adults have a conversation over here.  

[Vas Deferens]

(02-20-2018, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Although I get what you are saying in the first sentence; I don't think it is worded well. If the "need" to shoot it should ever arise I would like the handicapped be able to shoot as well.

Agree.  It was poorly worded.  I was attempting to say I didn't think the specific functionality provided by a bump stock was something the handicap needed.  I may be way off there.

(02-20-2018, 11:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Bfine already covered the first bit below.  Bump stocks were created to aid a handicapped person's ability to defend themselves.  As to you trigger question, any trigger upgrade that lowers the foot pounds required to "break" the trigger (i.e. release the hammer), if well made, will enable you to shoot faster and more accurately.  Some stock triggers feel like you're arm wrestling Hercules before the trigger breaks.  My stock PPKS is a great example (it's from the 60's and says made in West Germany on it, I'm not modifying a thing on it).  It's double action feels like pulling a sled through a gravel pit with a fat dude sitting on it.  You're first shot is going to be garbage with such a tight trigger pull.  Now, will it mimic full auto fire like a bump stock?  No, but it does increase the rate of fire, accurate fire no less.  As an aside, a shoelace or a belt loop can achieve the same full auto mimicry as a bump stock.

Makes sense.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-21-2018, 01:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Lol As if you care about this topic at all. Everyone knows what you're all about .

How about you just focus on the references?

[Dill]

(02-21-2018, 01:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Some people feel that praying will make things better in the future.  Some people don't believe that.

Some people think that those offering thoughts and prayers are doing it because they make themselves feel better by "doing something" without actually doing anything.

To each their own.

I've never quite understood praying for something to change and then saying it's part of "god's plan" if things don't change.  Then praying has no effect if "god's plan" is going forward with or without prayers.

That's just me.  

If someone feels better by praying than so be it.  I used to too.  

I'm pretty sure god changes his plans if there are a lot of prayers in favor of a new direction. It is kind of like a poll god takes.

But not all prayers are about change. Some pray that the victims go to heaven, not for gun laws to change.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(02-21-2018, 01:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Some people feel that praying will make things better in the future.  Some people don't believe that.

Some people think that those offering thoughts and prayers are doing it because they make themselves feel better by "doing something" without actually doing anything.

To each their own.

I've never quite understood praying for something to change and then saying it's part of "god's plan" if things don't change.  Then praying has no effect if "god's plan" is going forward with or without prayers.

That's just me.  

If someone feels better by praying than so be it.  I used to too.  

I certainly agree with that.  As for me, I use it as a means to pray for others.....but I understand "thy will be done".  I also use it (mostly) to give thanks, and sometimes for forgiveness.  When people are going through a rough time (sick, surgery, financial hardship, tragedy, death of a loved one, etc), I pray they make it through ok, or somehow find solace in whatever the outcome may be.  Healing isn't just physical.

That's about as far down the rabbit hole as I will go. 

[Belsnickel]

(02-21-2018, 10:16 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: No, I see it too.....and I'm not a Trump fan.  That's why I asked earlier if we could quit the mocking of his thoughts and prayers, and followed with the rhetorical "probably not?" after this revelation.  

We need to move past all this partisan bullshit, and actually focus on compromise and getting things accomplished.  If not, remove the parties.  I still remember what McConnell and his cronies did to Obama, now the Dems are playing "I know you are but what am I?"  This shit is getting ridiculous.




~Gatewood Galbraith

I don't want to speak for bfine, but I think what he may have been getting at is the idea that this move was an executive overreach when many saying it is aren't perceived as having had a problem with prior ones. This is why I mention that the article I linked was from a conservative source and discussed my overall position on executive overreach.

[BmorePat87]

Kids in our county organized a walkout to promote action on school violence at noon.

Our position was "it's government class, we're not going to tell you not to, but you can still be disciplined by your admin".

The admins seem to be ok with it as long as they can keep it positive. They're directing kids to use only one door and our head of security is in his golf cart keeping kids on school ground and making sure it's not chaos.