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Media being inappropriate when it comes to immigration
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http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/middleeast/deportee-us-intl/index.html

This is a story about a “pillar of the community” being deported. Even though he was accused of having a sham marriage by his first wife, allowed his green card to expire by moving to Brazil for three years.

If you lie or if someone who is petitioning for your citizenship signs an affidavit saying you are scamming USCIS they will make it very difficult for you. Also when you are a green card holder you can not vacate the country for more than a year. It’s very difficult to get an extension on that time and you need a very good reason. Moving to a third country isn’t reason enough. He would have lost his green card then had to restart again. Which would have made that application even harder given his accusation of the ex wife that it was a fraudulent marriage plus his alllowikg the green card to expire.

CNN is pulling at heart strings to get an emotional response from people to somehow support these illegals. Why not a story showing their incompetence? All of this was in his control and this “pillar of the community” just had to follow the rules. He won’t be coming back and he shouldn’t be coming back. He has thwarted the laws for 40 years now.

Quote:'Pillar of the community' deported from US after 39 years to a land he barely knows

(CNN) With nothing but the clothes on his back and less than $300 in his pocket, Amer Adi was put on a plane and deported to Jordan, the country he left 39 years ago to pursue his American dream.

His 94-year-old mother sat in a wheelchair at the arrivals gate, overcome with emotion as she waited for Adi. She hadn't seen him in 20 years.

As he walked out, his siblings, nephews and nieces broke out in cheers. But they were soon in tears.

Adi fell to his knees, a broken man in his mother's arms.

"I have mixed feelings, very mixed feelings. I'm so happy, so glad to be here, my home, to see my mother, my brother, my family, my friends, that makes me proud and happy," Adi told CNN at the airport.

Amer Adi falls to his knees as he reunites with his mother for the first time in 20 years.
Amer Adi falls to his knees as he reunites with his mother for the first time in 20 years.

"At the same time, I feel so sad of what happened to me. I'm so sorry to tell you what happened is unjust, not right, and everyone back there knows that. What the Trump administration is doing is -- you can't even explain it," said Adi.

Adi lived in America for nearly 40 years. He has a wife who is a US citizen, and four daughters who are also US citizens. He owns several businesses in his adopted hometown of Youngstown, Ohio. A week ago, he was deported.

For more than 20 years, his life has been a legal battle. But with the help of an Ohio congressman, he was able to remain in the US. That all changed when US President Donald Trump took office last year and doubled down on immigration.

Since he entered office, Trump has called for a sweeping overhaul of the immigration system, and has empowered federal authorities to ramp up arrests and deportations of undocumented immigrants

Immigration arrests have increased by 42% since Trump took office, according to the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The legal battle

In the 1980s, Adi held a green card. But he lost his permanent resident status in the early 1990s, after moving to Brazil for three years with his wife. When he returned, Adi tried to apply for a new card, but was rejected.

Immigration officials accused him of having a sham marriage with his American ex-wife.

His ex-wife had signed a statement alleging marriage fraud. According to Adi, his lawyer and multiple media interviews with Adi's ex-wife, she was coerced into making the statement after immigration officials showed up at her door.

In 2007, she signed an affidavit retracting her statement and denying the marriage was fraudulent.

Despite the affidavit, he was unable to gain legal status. In 2009, he was issued with a deportation order.

A 'pillar' of the community

Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan describes Adi as a "pillar" of their community, who creates jobs with his multiple businesses and distributes hundreds of turkeys to the poor on Thanksgiving.

For years, the House Democrat has been fighting for Adi to remain in America and it was his efforts that secured consecutive stays of the deportation order.

"If you would see the breadth of support that this gentleman has, from whether it's his Italian-Irish Catholic congressman or an African-American Pentecostal Republican woman who is supporting him or the working-class people I saw in his shop the day they thought he was going to get deported ... to show support for him," Ryan told CNN in an interview.

Among Adi's businesses are a hooka bar, a convenience store and a deli.

"He has a Jewish attorney whose father survived the Holocaust ... this person has brought this community together in Youngstown, Ohio," Ryan added.

A family photo of Amer Adi with his wife and daughters.
A family photo of Amer Adi with his wife and daughters.

While Adi's deportation order was issued in 2009, ICE did not proceed with the deportation. He was, instead, required to routinely check in with the agency, which he was diligent about, according to his lawyer David Leopold. In 2013, Ryan presented a private bill -- legislation specific to a person and not affecting overall policy -- to Congress, which would get him a more thorough review of his case. He has presented the bill several times since then.

Having the private bill in motion meant Adi was granted a two-year stay. Under Trump, though, ICE reduced the deportation stay to six months, according to Ryan.

Last September, an ICE field office put an ankle bracelet with a GPS monitor on Adi. He was then told to make arrangements to leave the US, according to his lawyer.

In a statement to CNN, ICE said that he would be allowed to return only if the bill is finally passed.

Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan had been trying to prevent Adi's deportation
Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan had been trying to prevent Adi's deportation

"While ICE acknowledges Congress's authority to pass legislation providing immigration benefits to non-citizens, alien beneficiaries need not be present in the United States for a private immigration relief bill to be introduced, considered and/or enacted. An alien who is granted relief through the enactment of a private immigration bill can lawfully travel back to the United States," the statement read.

After conducting a comprehensive review of Adi's case, ICE said in the statement that it has chosen not to grant a stay of removal.

Over the past decade, Adi's immigration case has "undergone exhaustive judicial review at multiple levels of the nation's courts, including before the immigration courts, federal appeals courts and U.S. district court. In each review, the courts have held that Adi does not have a legal basis to remain in the US," ICE said in the statement.

Adi's last few months were a rollercoaster of emotions, expecting deportation amid the ramped-up crackdown on illegal immigration across the US as part of the Trump administration's stance on the issue.

Adi and his second wife Fidaa, a US citizen, arranged to leave the United States at their own expense in early January. They sold the family home and prepared to say goodbye to everyone.

"ICE agents were to meet them at the airport and remove his ankle bracelet before he boarded the flight," Adi's attorney told CNN. "On January 4th, ICE called to say that they canceled the departure date -- that he should not depart as scheduled and that no new date was set."

But according to Leopold, Adi was asked instead to report to ICE local headquarters on January 15 for a routine check-in to discuss the case. Adi was escorted by several supporters including Ryan, but he was taken into custody without being given a reason.

Adi was not able to see his family before being put on a plane to Amman on January 30.

A 40% rise in arrests

Over the past year tens of thousands have been arrested by ICE, according to Human Rights Watch. Many, like Adi, are deeply rooted in their communities and have no criminal convictions.

More undocumented immigrants have been arrested under the Trump administration, while deportations have lagged behind the rates of the Obama administration.

Last year, ICE's deputy Director Thomas D. Homan said that under Trump's administration, undocumented immigrants "should be afraid," explaining that anyone who has violated the law should be looking over their shoulder. ICE has made clear that while they still prioritize criminals, they also prioritize undocumented immigrants with final deportation orders and do not consider anyone exempt from being arrested or put into deportation proceedings.

"I don't think there is any question that this is the new normal ... To watch these families get ripped apart is the most heart-breaking thing any American citizen could ever see ... Because you are for these families, it doesn't mean you are not for a secure border," said Ryan.

Amer Adi says he'll continue to fight to return to the US.
Amer Adi says he'll continue to fight to return to the US.

"I am for a humane pathway for good people who want to participate in the American dream and who have contributed to this country for 40 years and are an American in every sense of the word," he said.

A day after arriving in Amman, a city he barely recognizes now, Adi was still in shock and disbelief.

"The American dream started 40 years ago for me ... I built this whole thing scratch from nothing. Even if anybody wants to stop that American dream, I won't let them. I'm going to keep the fight going," an emotional Adi told CNN.

The hardest thing, he said, is being away from his family.

"I miss my wife, the kids," he said, choking back tears. "I miss Youngstown. I miss everybody."

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#2
First off CNN didn't call him a Pillar of the Community; the Congressman does.

Secondly, shame of previous administrations that have allowed this lawlessness to remain.
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(02-09-2018, 07:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: First off CNN didn't call him a Pillar of the Community; the Congressman does.

Secondly, shame of previous administrations that have allowed this lawlessness to remain.

The entire article is attempting to make this make this man out to be some sort of victim. He is only the victim of his own incompetence. Or possibly he knowingly broke the law. Either way this guy doesn’t deserve any cover by the media or Ryan.

It’s a shame since ryan is one of the few democrats who usually have some sense.

And yes the previous administrations are absolutely shameful. This issue alone will get trump re-elected.
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(02-09-2018, 05:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote:  

CNN is pulling at heart strings to get an emotional response from people to somehow support these illegals.   Why not a story showing their incompetence?   

Because we get bombarded with that from the White House?

No jobs? BUILD THE WALL!
Drugs? BUILD THE WALL!
Gun violence? THERE'S NOT ANY.... BUT BUILD THE WALL ANYWAY!

The GOP long-branded itself as the opposition party. Likewise, Fox branded itself as opposition news. Damn the liberalist elite agenda! Damn the majority in Congress! (later) Damn Obama!

Roles are reversed.

The GOP is now deficit spending like crazy, tossing gobs of money at donor problems that don't fix anything, worrying more about special interests than any real fixes. Likewise, Fox is no longer opposition news, they're propaganda spreaders. Which means CNN is now in that opposition role.

Whereas several years ago we had poor disheartened Joe the Plumber to rally folks, now you've got ... whoever this story is about, I honestly didn't read it. 
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(02-09-2018, 07:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote:  This issue alone will get trump re-elected.

The majority of people don't care about this issue.

If Trump gets re-elected it will be due to 1- propaganda or 2- people preferring entertainment to governing. 
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(02-09-2018, 09:32 PM)Benton Wrote: The majority of people don't care about this issue.

If Trump gets re-elected it will be due to 1- propaganda or 2- people preferring entertainment to governing. 

Polls are showing that the people support trumps immigration policies.

This is why the leftists and the media are trying to make it out like an out of control rouge deportation force.
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(02-09-2018, 09:28 PM)Benton Wrote: Because we get bombarded with that from the White House?

No jobs? BUILD THE WALL!
Drugs? BUILD THE WALL!
Gun violence? THERE'S NOT ANY.... BUT BUILD THE WALL ANYWAY!

The GOP long-branded itself as the opposition party. Likewise, Fox branded itself as opposition news. Damn the liberalist elite agenda! Damn the majority in Congress! (later) Damn Obama!

Roles are reversed.

The GOP is now deficit spending like crazy, tossing gobs of money at donor problems that don't fix anything, worrying more about special interests than any real fixes. Likewise, Fox is no longer opposition news, they're propaganda spreaders. Which means CNN is now in that opposition role.

Whereas several years ago we had poor disheartened Joe the Plumber to rally folks, now you've got ... whoever this story is about, I honestly didn't read it. 

Let me paraphrase.... Poor illegal immigrant who is incompetent or just doesn’t care to follow the laws. As long as he is dark skinned it’s a story of injustice.
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(02-09-2018, 09:32 PM)Benton Wrote: The majority of people don't care about this issue.

If Trump gets re-elected it will be due to 1- propaganda or 2- people preferring entertainment to governing. 

You forgot 3

3- The Dems trot out a Hillary type candidate again. 
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(02-09-2018, 10:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You forgot 3

3- The Dems trot out a Hillary type candidate again. 

Valid point, but I don't  think they will. I think they're realizing voters aren't going to just show up and vote party. If they don't like the candidate or the policies, they'll stay home. Of course, I didn't think the GOP would allow Trump to get nominated either, so I may not know much. I think a lot of it depends on 2018.

If Dems hammer the GOP in midterms and get the 100+ seats (not happening), they may take that as having momentum and try forcing another unlikable career politician. But I think it will be a smaller number and they'll wind up pushing for someone like Sherrod Brown or Biden, who is a career politician, but at least they're likable ones, with a history of supporting workers and unions as opposed to being just another candidate with corporate sponsorship.
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(02-09-2018, 09:59 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Polls are showing that the people support trumps immigration policies.  

This is why the leftists and the media are trying to make it out like an out of control rouge deportation force.

Polls on voters feelings on his policies are all over the place because his policies are all over the place. From what I've seen, the majority are in favor of DACA and ending chain migration, but they're also against the wall and his point system that would allow only white billionaire investors in their 20s.

To the bold, that type of sweeping propaganda makes it hard to have a conversation.
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another gangbanger off the streets
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(02-10-2018, 01:15 AM)Benton Wrote: Polls on voters feelings on his policies are all over the place because his policies are all over the place. From what I've seen, the majority are in favor of DACA and ending chain migration, but they're also against the wall and his point system that would allow only white billionaire investors in their 20s.

To the bold, that type of sweeping propaganda makes it hard to have a conversation.

You are correct on the propaganda. Which is why the media should stop.
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(02-10-2018, 01:21 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: another gangbanger off the streets

Incompetent people who knowingly thwart the law for decades.

Yes these people need deported.
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(02-12-2018, 03:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Incompetent people who knowingly thwart the law for decades.

Yes these people need deported.

One question moves me with this: Why? What is your personal benefit from deporting DACA recipients. As far as I know and even Trump tells me, the US is close to full employment, so they do not exactly take away jobs. 97% of DACA recipients are in schools or the workforce, they are net contributors overall - so what is the gain in quality of life you're expecting from these deportations? Just wondering.
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(02-12-2018, 03:37 PM)hollodero Wrote: One question moves me with this: Why? What is your personal benefit from deporting DACA recipients. As far as I know and even Trump tells me, the US is close to full employment, so they do not exactly take away jobs. 97% of DACA recipients are in schools or the workforce, they are net contributors overall - so what is the gain in quality of life you're expecting from these deportations? Just wondering.

Maybe trump is running out of foreign workers to pay substandard wages?
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(02-12-2018, 03:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yes these people need deported.

Actually there is no reason to deport a guy like this.....

"Adi lived in America for nearly 40 years. He has a wife who is a US citizen, and four daughters who are also US citizens. He owns several businesses in his adopted hometown of Youngstown, Ohio."
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(02-12-2018, 03:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Incompetent people who knowingly thwart the law for decades.

Yes these people need deported.

Yep, he's a criminal for living in Brazil for 3 years. Definitely need to deport this father and business owner. Super good argument for killing jobs in the US. Not influenced by hatred of brown people.
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(02-12-2018, 03:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually there is no reason to deport a guy like this.....

"Adi lived in America for nearly 40 years. He has a wife who is a US citizen, and four daughters who are also US citizens. He owns several businesses in his adopted hometown of Youngstown, Ohio."

Not to mention the only argument against him is that his first wife alleged it was a sham marriage before then recanting and saying she was pressured by officials to make that claim. 
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(02-12-2018, 03:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually there is no reason to deport a guy like this.....

"Adi lived in America for nearly 40 years. He has a wife who is a US citizen, and four daughters who are also US citizens. He owns several businesses in his adopted hometown of Youngstown, Ohio."

Actually this is a pretty good reason. USCIS will overreact when a USC claims marriage fraud and they do make the USC sign something stating this..... they can’t just call and drop a dime.

Also he had LPR and gave it away for being outside the country too long. You can’t be out of the country over a year without special permission. He could have waited until he applied for citizenship to go to Brazil. But I guess it wasn’t important enough.

He was on the path to be legal and just gave it away. He does deserve to be deported. He is an idiot.

Quote:In the 1980s, Adi held a green card. But he lost his permanent resident status in the early 1990s, after moving to Brazil for three years with his wife. When he returned, Adi tried to apply for a new card, but was rejected.

Immigration officials accused him of having a sham marriage with his American ex-wife.

His ex-wife had signed a statement alleging marriage fraud.
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(02-12-2018, 03:53 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Not to mention the only argument against him is that his first wife alleged it was a sham marriage before then recanting and saying she was pressured by officials to make that claim. 

And violated the terms of his Green Card. That’s the bigger deal I’m all of this stuff.





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