Merkel still trying to form a government

[StLucieBengal]

AfD suffered when they lost Frauke Petry. She tried to set up a potential coalition and the hardliners pushed back. Had she been allowed their vote would have gone up.

[BmorePat87]

(01-24-2018, 05:44 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then they will be the #2 party in Germany.   Considering 30% is the leader.

A wet dream for German skin heads indeed. 

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 07:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: A wet dream for German skin heads indeed. 

Such low opinion of Germans I see. I’m sure those who just want their own borders and own currency will be curious to find out this makes them skinheads

Lumping a lot of good, decent, people in that group.

[BmorePat87]

(01-24-2018, 09:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Such low opinion of Germans I see.  I’m sure those who just want their own borders and own currency will be curious to find out this makes them skinheads

Lumping a lot of good, decent, people in that group.

No, I have a low opinion of white nationalists. 

[StLucieBengal]

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-social-democrats-only-four-points-ahead-of-far-right-afd-in-poll/

AfD is gaining. And Matt’s SPD are dropping .... so now Merkel, the mother of all migrants, is trying to form a governing coalition with a sinking ship.

Time to have a snap election. This is becoming a joke watching Merkel Run around to form a gov like Benny Hill.

Quote:Germany’s Social Democrats only 4 points ahead of far-right AfD

SPD drops to new low in polls as it enters formal coalition talks with Angela Merkel’s conservative bloc.

Myfanwy Craigie1/23/18, 11:45 AM CET

Martin Schulz, leader of Germany's Social Democrats | John MacDougall/AFP via Getty Images
BERLIN — A new poll places Martin Schulz’s Social Democrats (SPD) only four points ahead of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD).

If there were an election today, the SPD would receive 18 percent of the vote while the AfD would receive 14, according to an INSA poll published Tuesday.

Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats and Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union, would receive 31.5 percent. The Greens and Free Democrats (FDP), meanwhile, would come in at 10 percent, and the Left at 11 percent. The AfD has remained steady at 14 percent for the past several weeks.

The results mark a new low for the SPD, which suffered a major defeat in September’s federal election, when it received 20.5 percent of the vote.

The AfD, meanwhile, has seen a rise from its September result of 12.6 percent.

The poll comes days after SPD party delegates voted to enter formal coalition talks with Merkel’s conservatives. The decision was made by a close margin, with 362 delegates voting in favor and 279 voting against.

Among those surveyed, 38 percent said they welcome the SPD’s decision to start formal talks to form a grand coalition, while 42 percent are against it.

The same poll found that 32 percent support the formation of a new grand coalition, while 17 percent favor a minority government, and 27 percent would like to see a new election. Some 15 percent of Germans said they would prefer a Jamaica coalition between the CDU/CSU, FDP and the Greens.

[StLucieBengal]

For some context.

Seven months before the elections.
SPD -31
AfD - 9

Now
SPD - 18
AfD - 14

CDU has also dropped but slightly. 33-31

Quote:Seven months before federal elections, Wednesday's survey of 2,500 voters found support for Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), fell 1 point to 33 percent. The SPD was steady at 31 percent.

The anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), which has no coalition allies, rose 1 point to 9 percent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spd-popularity-germany-socialist-party-chancellor-angela-merkel-cdu-csu-a7607261.html

[BmorePat87]

At this pace, they'll be "over 20%" by 2022.

[Belsnickel]

(01-25-2018, 02:32 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: At this pace, they'll be "over 20%" by 2022.

The problem is that a lot of SPD voters are disenchanted with them, right now. Especially since the vote by the party to enter coalition talks, they aren't pleased. The CDU/CSU party would be mainstream (or what used to be mainstream) GOP, and SPD are New Deal style Democrats. What they see right now is the SPD becoming like the Democrats of today. This is causing those more liberal voters to look elsewhere, and combine this with voters more to the right that has previously been CDU/CSU voters going to AfD, you get what is happening now.

It's difficult to look at polls somewhere without talking to the people and reading the news from there (regularly, not just random headlines) and get a good idea of what is going on, but this is what I understand from some people in Germany I know.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-25-2018, 02:32 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: At this pace, they'll be "over 20%" by 2022.

Actually by their rate of growth they will be over 20% by The fall.

I’m sure the new blue party started by Frauke Petry will grow as well.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-25-2018, 02:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem is that a lot of SPD voters are disenchanted with them, right now. Especially since the vote by the party to enter coalition talks, they aren't pleased. The CDU/CSU party would be mainstream (or what used to be mainstream) GOP, and SPD are New Deal style Democrats. What they see right now is the SPD becoming like the Democrats of today. This is causing those more liberal voters to look elsewhere, and combine this with voters more to the right that has previously been CDU/CSU voters going to AfD, you get what is happening now.

It's difficult to look at polls somewhere without talking to the people and reading the news from there (regularly, not just random headlines) and get a good idea of what is going on, but this is what I understand from some people in Germany I know.

The Justos are pissed. There is certainly a schism in SPD. Will be interesting to see where they go. Schultz was credited when he took over but they have taken a big hit under his leadership. I wonder if/when he is finally dropped. The more liberals think he is too far left and the socialists don’t like him working with the Merkel.

Do you think the Justos will be successful in thwarting any coalition deal? They are trying to get as many people as possible in the SPD for just two months. This could open the door to other minority parties helping push for a snap election.