Michael Bloomberg's attempt to buy the election, detailed

[CJD]

(02-21-2020, 01:53 PM)Dill Wrote: The more Bernie and Warren speak, the more people will be comfortable with what Fox is calling "socialism" this election cycle. But once we have a nominee, I think another important recognition will kick in, namely that no one will get anything done so long as McConnell runs the Senate. Lawrence McDonnell made that point after the debate--all these Dem proposals, moderate or not, are pie-in-the-sky as long as the Republicans control the Senate. And they will so long as massive numbers of poor and middle class Americans put corporate profit and THE WALL above their own well being. Crazy to suppose that Bernie's election would turn us into Canada overnight.  In addition to Mitch, billions of corporate dollars would be flowing to Congress to keep our drug prices "American."  

The crazy thing is that what Bernie and Warren are proposing isn't even radical when you compare it to America's history.

In our Grandparents' age, people got pensions at virtually any non-minimum wage job, very affordable healthcare, college that resulted in no debt and housing was relatively affordable, at least as I understand it. At least affordable enough that having 6 children and a stay at home mother was not only feasible but close to the norm.

Van Jones said it best when he said Bernie Supporters generally aren't socialists, they just have "Grandparent Envy."

Quote:“For his young supporters, they call themselves socialists, but they really just seem to have, like, grandparent envy. In other words, their grandparents pretty much get to see a doctor for free. And want the same thing. Grandparents went to college for $4 a semester. And they want to do the same thing. Why call yourselves socialist? You basically just say: ‘Grandma and grandpa, I want what you had.’ The idea that is some socialist revolution or whatever. This is not the socialist revolution we heard about in the ’60s and ’70s. And I think the label does harm when the policies are pretty reasonable.”

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/van-jones-young-sanders-voters-less-about-socialism-more-about-grandparent-envy-over-medicare-affordable-college/

[Belsnickel]

(02-21-2020, 07:22 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: The crazy thing is that what Bernie and Warren are proposing isn't even radical when you compare it to America's history.

In our Grandparents' age, people got pensions at virtually any non-minimum wage job, very affordable healthcare, college that resulted in no debt and housing was relatively affordable, at least as I understand it. At least affordable enough that having 6 children and a stay at home mother was not only feasible but close to the norm.

Van Jones said it best when he said Bernie Supporters generally aren't socialists, they just "Grandparent Envy."


https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/van-jones-young-sanders-voters-less-about-socialism-more-about-grandparent-envy-over-medicare-affordable-college/

Definitely not wrong about the term "socialist revolution" doing a lot of harm. It definitely gives folks pause around here. I mean, he's not far off from FDR, but that's not the message getting through.