Michael Johnson must stop showing people how to . . .

[fredtoast]

(04-05-2017, 04:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: And once they realized he was garbage they released him after one year   .  

But you are admitting you were 100% wrong when you claimed no one else thought he was good, correct?

[Au165]

(04-05-2017, 04:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: And once they realized he was garbage they released him after one year   .  

...And you used the term "ever", which was wrong. When you speak in hyperbole to try and add value to your point you're easily disproved.

[Millhouse]

Quick question, but who is Hardison?

[Socal Bengals fan]

(04-05-2017, 04:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...And you used the term "ever", which was wrong. When you speak in hyperbole to try and add value to your point you're easily disproved.

Cool you win . He's garbage though. Philadelphia gave our shitty Right guard a huge contract too. And they soon realized he was garbage.  Besides Fred , the Bengals and Tampa bay there's not many that think he's good  .

[Socal Bengals fan]

(04-05-2017, 04:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But you are admitting you were 100% wrong when you claimed no one else thought he was good, correct?

Yes   . Unlike you who never admits their wrong and brings out the most ridiculous stats ever.  Carry on  .  " but he's ranked number 10 in most balls batted at the line on 2nd down   inside the 20 yard like when the temperature is below 32 degrees ."

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(04-05-2017, 05:14 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Quick question, but who is Hardison?

2015 4th round pick that has been hurt for two straight years, and not played a snap of football, yet some people are convinced he's going to be great.

Basically an even less productive and unhealthy mid-round Ryan Whalen.

Or a less productive version of Paul Dawson. (If you hadn't already realized how low the bar was set.)

[Au165]

(04-05-2017, 05:17 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Cool you win . He's garbage though. Philadelphia gave our shitty Right guard a huge contract too. And they soon realized he was garbage.  Besides Fred , the Bengals and Tampa bay there's not many that think he's good  .

Well, I can find other NFL teams who courted him during FA if you want, or you could admit that your personal fan opinion of him clouds any partiality in this case and he actually was pretty good back in 2014. Is he good now? Na, he is average but he was good at one point.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-05-2017, 04:18 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Can't really say he would be the best pass rusher when he's done nothing to show it. Again, I stand by overrated.

He has 7 preseason tackles with 1 sacks.

DeShawn Williams has more sacks, tackles, and passes defended in preseason games the last 2 years.

Also, Williams has gotten playing time in the NFL and has a half sack.

Once again, DeShawn Williams has had many more opportunities to show his ability because he's been healthy the past two years. Yet in that time, he's only been activated for four games and only amassed 2 tackles and half a sack.

Meanwhile, Marcus Hardison has not had a chance to even take a single snap in the regular season because of injuries in both preseasons.

Assuming health prevails for both players, I have more faith in a 4th round pick that was a projected third rounder and touted as a pass rush specialist but hasn't had a chance to play yet due to injury than I have in an undrafted PS player who came up just because of injuries and has been a healthy scratch for most games and only put up half a sack in four games played.

[coachmcneil71]

I'm biased. I've followed him since he was a junior at Dallas County. That said, with the loss of two great long time leaders in Domata and Whit; this team needs his leadership.

Not to mention what he does for his community. His play has fallen off, but this locker room needs these kind of guys. With all of this talk of taking two DE's, he will probably come into camp jacked.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

I get the joke Shady, but in all seriousness i have yet to see much from Hardison, atleast DeShawn has
shown some things on game days even if he needs to work on his balance. Right now i like him better, we
will draft atleast 1 End this draft and probably another DT.

Atkins and Billings are here but the rest of the DT's will be fighting for those last two spots.

We should draft a bigger run stopper.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-05-2017, 05:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Once again, DeShawn Williams has had many more opportunities to show his ability because he's been healthy the past two years. Yet in that time, he's only been activated for four games and only amassed 2 tackles and half a sack.

Meanwhile, Marcus Hardison has not had a chance to even take a single snap in the regular season because of injuries in both preseasons.

Assuming health prevails for both players, I have more faith in a 4th round pick that was a projected third rounder and touted as a pass rush specialist but hasn't had a chance to play yet due to injury than I have in an undrafted PS player who came up just because of injuries and has been a healthy scratch for most games and only put up half a sack in four games played.

Good points but disruption is more important than stats and when we used Geno and DeShawn in the middle we
were much more disruptive in the passing game than when Peko was out there or even Sims...

[3wt]

(04-05-2017, 05:22 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: I think it's mostly because Jerome Simpson wasn't as good as people thought too. He had a 50% or lower catch rate 7 of his 8 seasons.

Also. I think Hardison is a bit overrated. Give me Williams over him.

Could have had Grady Jarrett.

Overthought it and went with measurables/ upside.  It appears to be a trap we fall into a lot.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-06-2017, 02:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good points but disruption is more important than stats and when we used Geno and DeShawn in the middle we
were much more disruptive in the passing game than when Peko was out there or even Sims...

Valid. I don't think anyone is questioning that Williams looks to get more pressure than Peko or Sims. The debate is whether Hardison would be better. Based on his college tape and scouting report (since that's all we have to go off of), Hardison should get even more pressure than Williams. Ultimately, we'll never know until we can see both make it to the regular season.

[Derrick]

(04-06-2017, 02:56 PM)3wt Wrote: Could have had Grady Jarrett.

Overthought it and went with measurables/ upside.  It appears to be a trap we fall into a lot.

This reply is probably not a good fit for this thread. BUT, as poor as Marvin is at making adjustments (real or imagined), how can we expect him to make good optional-choices on draft day? The players being discussed here are good examples of not-so-good choices IMO.

Speaking of adjustments, CincyJungle mentioned Bellicheck's insightful defensive adjustments at half time in the SB. I have zero confidence that Marvy could have done that. Of course one has to get to the SB for that to happen...not a snowball's chance...Never Mind.

[BengalChris]

(04-05-2017, 02:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I wish Hardison would get bigger and stronger and concentrate 100% on DT.  He does not need to be dicking around dreaming of being a DE.

MJ wasted the first two seasons of his career dreaming of being an OLB/DE hybrid.  He was not good until he got bigger and concentrated 100% on DE..

Just showing up and playing a snap would be a vast improvement for Hardison. I understand that he had a very good Senior Bowl and Combine, but the guy has been a goose egg after two years with the team.

[XenoMorph]

(04-05-2017, 05:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 2015 4th round pick that has been hurt for two straight years, and not played a snap of football, yet some people are convinced he's going to be great.

Basically an even less productive and unhealthy mid-round Ryan Whalen.

Or a less productive version of Paul Dawson. (If you hadn't already realized how low the bar was set.)

Not like Hardison could do worse than he has... he has no where to go but up lol...

Doubtful he makes the club again this season.

[BURROWorBUST]

(04-06-2017, 02:29 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I get the joke Shady, but in all seriousness i have yet to see much from Hardison, atleast DeShawn has
shown some things on game days even if he needs to work on his balance. Right now i like him better, we
will draft atleast 1 End this draft and probably another DT.

Atkins and Billings are here but the rest of the DT's will be fighting for those last two spots.

We should draft a bigger run stopper.

We could use a 4th. Atkins, Billings, and Hardison might be really good.Williams has shown flashes, but we've been committed to Peko. With Peko gone, Deshawn might get more PT. I think Malik McDowell is scary good. I was really wondering if he wouldn't be our best pick at 9. Then, I heard about the interview issues at the combine. Did anyone hear any of the details about those interviews? Just curious.

[fredtoast]

(04-06-2017, 02:56 PM)3wt Wrote: Could have had Grady Jarrett.

Overthought it and went with measurables/ upside.  It appears to be a trap we fall into a lot.

How stupid of the Bengals not to go with the player who has poor measurables and no upside.

The fact is Grady Jarrett was a fifth round pick.  No team in the league thought a lot of him.  And he is just an average DT on a poor defense, so Hardison may end up being better than him anyway,

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-06-2017, 04:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Valid. I don't think anyone is questioning that Williams looks to get more pressure than Peko or Sims. The debate is whether Hardison would be better. Based on his college tape and scouting report (since that's all we have to go off of), Hardison should get even more pressure than Williams. Ultimately, we'll never know until we can see both make it to the regular season.

True and if we draft a good run stopping DT one of them might be gone, most likely DeShawn as they didn't use a pick on him.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-06-2017, 06:25 PM)Shady Wrote: We could use a 4th. Atkins, Billings, and Hardison might be really good.Williams has shown flashes, but we've been committed to Peko. With Peko gone, Deshawn might get more PT. I think Malik McDowell is scary good. I was really wondering if he wouldn't be our best pick at 9. Then, I heard about the interview issues at the combine. Did anyone hear any of the details about those interviews? Just curious.

Exciting is the word, been waiting to get some talent next to Geno for quite a long time.

Don't know about McDowell's interviews but i think sometimes these things are overinflated.

Would take the guy in an instant with our 2nd pick. I think as long as we address the trenches we will be a damn tough team.

Need to upgrade Center and End the most though. If we can get a good pass rusher opposite Dunlap in this draft we be good.