Michelle wolf, Sarah huckabee, and the WHCD

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-02-2018, 06:17 PM)Dill Wrote: Trump stopped coming because Obama shot him down with birther jokes. 

He can dish it out but he cannot take it. 

I do agree with a bit of your point.  Trump did not take Obama's jokes (written by someone else) at the previous WHCD well, at all.  A friend of mine argues that it was that moment that Trump decided to seriously run for POTUS, and I can't say I disagree with him.  He did not appear to have similar issues at the Comedy Central roast he volunteered to be part of.

Quote:Do you have a picture or a video of Trump laughing? He never does. He is not mentally stable or competent to be president.

An inane point at best,  A simple google image search would have answered your banal question without having to ask it.  Regardless, what would your point, assuming you were able to make one in this instance, have to do with his fitness to be POTUS?  I suppose we'll all await for admission to your assertion was demonstrably false.

I suppose my pointing out that you were 100% wrong will be further proof, in your mind, that I'm a Trump supporter.  Remember kids, you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

[Dill]

(05-02-2018, 05:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Actually there isn’t.  

Obama admin.  Targeted Americans with the irs & fbi, phone tapped reporters and their parents, ran guns to the cartels, etc.

Today’s stuff is Russian nonsense and a porn star payoff driven by the leftist media.  

Trump is about to negotiate peace in Korea.  Starting to get calls for the Nobel peace prize.....Heck obama got one for winning an election.   Trump is actually earning one.

Actually, there is.   

LOL we are starting to get calls for the Nobel Peace Prize from Trump supporters.  What exactly has Trump done to earn it?  He accepted an invitation extended by South Korea.

Here is a great Fox news comparison of Obama and Trump on North Korea. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8Uu53x0d8         

And Obama did not "target Americans with the IRS and FBI" except in Foxland.

What reporters phones did he "tap"?  Have you perhaps misunderstood the issue around collecting reporters phone records?

Obama's worst scandals collectively pale to the widening Russia investigation, which has produced how many indictments now?  How many of Trump's campaign members have already pled guilty and plea bargained?  

And then how many were indicted in the Fast and Furious scandal, which happened UNDER Obama but without his knowledge? The only people who went to prison were the Cartel gun runners. 

How does that even compare to working with a foreign government to throw a national election to the candidate favoring that foreign government?  

[Belsnickel]

(05-02-2018, 05:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Actually there isn’t.

Obama admin. Targeted Americans with the irs & fbi, phone tapped reporters and their parents, ran guns to the cartels, etc.

Today’s stuff is Russian nonsense and a porn star payoff driven by the leftist media.

Trump is about to negotiate peace in Korea. Starting to get calls for the Nobel peace prize.....Heck obama got one for winning an election. Trump is actually earning one.

So, the high rates of turnover and a large list of ethical issues with his appointees doesn't amount to much? The potential crimes committed during the campaign, which include both Mueller's investigation and the issue with Stormy Daniels is 4 things already and I'm not even trying. We are not even a year-and-a-half in and we can get a list that long. You may not see what is happening as a big deal, but they are newsworthy things to be talking about, and this is for someone who has been in office less than one-fourth the time as his predecessor.

Yes, objectively there is more to report on like this with Trump than there was for Obama. Get over your victim mentality.

[Dill]

(05-02-2018, 06:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: An inane point at best,  A simple google image search would have answered your banal question without having to ask it.  Regardless, what would your point, assuming you were able to make one in this instance, have to do with his fitness to be POTUS?  I suppose we'll all await for admission to your assertion was demonstrably false.

I suppose my pointing out that you were 100% wrong will be further proof, in your mind, that I'm a Trump supporter.  Remember kids, you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

Ha ha, so "we all" are waiting. Sure I'll admit my assertion was "demonstrably false."  You got one on me SSF.  100% wrong. 

I will have to settle for a claim that we rarely seem Trump laughing.  The inane point of that would be to add one more plank to a psychological profile which unfits him for the presidency.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000864
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250179459/?tag=saloncom08-20

I don't recall having ever referred to you as a Trump supporter, though some of his policy positions may align with yours, so there is no "further proof" of anything. Too early to position yourself a victim of mislabeling, though I see you are all set to do so.  I understand you, not "we all," are intervening now, not to defend Trump, but to prove me wrong. I don't confuse those goals.

[StLucieBengal]

(05-02-2018, 07:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, the high rates of turnover and a large list of ethical issues with his appointees doesn't amount to much? The potential crimes committed during the campaign, which include both Mueller's investigation and the issue with Stormy Daniels is 4 things already and I'm not even trying. We are not even a year-and-a-half in and we can get a list that long. You may not see what is happening as a big deal, but they are newsworthy things to be talking about, and this is for someone who has been in office less than one-fourth the time as his predecessor.

Yes, objectively there is more to report on like this with Trump than there was for Obama. Get over your victim mentality.

When does turnover matter? People take gov jobs to get better private sector jobs.

There are no crimes in reality. Just leftist fantasyland.

What ethical issues? If people were fired or left then issues were sorted out.

Obama was a very corrupt administration. The only thing mueller has found is that obama doj went after the trump campaign.

[StLucieBengal]

(05-02-2018, 06:44 PM)Dill Wrote: Actually, there is.   

LOL we are starting to get calls for the Nobel Peace Prize from Trump supporters.  What exactly has Trump done to earn it?  He accepted an invitation extended by South Korea.

Here is a great Fox news comparison of Obama and Trump on North Korea. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8Uu53x0d8         

And Obama did not "target Americans with the IRS and FBI" except in Foxland.

What reporters phones did he "tap"?  Have you perhaps misunderstood the issue around collecting reporters phone records?

Obama's worst scandals collectively pale to the widening Russia investigation, which has produced how many indictments now?  How many of Trump's campaign members have already pled guilty and plea bargained?  

And then how many were indicted in the Fast and Furious scandal, which happened UNDER Obama but without his knowledge? The only people who went to prison were the Cartel gun runners. 

How does that even compare to working with a foreign government to throw a national election to the candidate favoring that foreign government?  

AP writers and editors, James Rosen and his Parents were tapped. Home, work, and cell phones.

Obama claimed executive privilege to save Eric Holder, same guy who claims to have been the presidents wingman, instead of an independent enforcer of the laws.

The DNC And obama fbi worked with and paid foreign nationals to create the dossier then used it as a primary source to get fisa warrant on trump people.

2 people have plead and one was for lying to the fbi, which is weak, the other was for financial dealings years ago. No one has been shown to be working with the Russians on the election.

[GMDino]

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When does turnover matter?  People take gov jobs to get better private sector jobs.  

Generally not within a few months.

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There are no crimes in reality.  Just leftist fantasyland.

Or they people can read the charges filed. 

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What ethical issues?  If people were fired or left then issues were sorted out.

Except for the ones who haven't left yet. (See point #1) 

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Obama was a very corrupt administration.  The only thing mueller has found is that obama doj went after the trump campaign.

How many charges did the Republican lead investigations come up with?

Saying Obama was "very corrupt" while defending Trump is like saying the Confederacy was good and slaves were just complaining.

[Belsnickel]

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When does turnover matter? People take gov jobs to get better private sector jobs.

Well, no, that's not typically how it works. First, turnover doesn't happen that fast, and many people take government jobs because, you know, they have a sense of service and duty. The turnover rate has been unprecedented, that's newsworthy.

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There are no crimes in reality. Just leftist fantasyland.

Right. Not that anyone connected with the campaign has plead guilty to any crimes or anything.

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What ethical issues? If people were fired or left then issues were sorted out.

Well, Pruitt's list of ethical issues could take up a wall of text in and of themselves. But the whole administration has been plagued by them, including Trump himself.

Things like people who can't get a permanent security clearance receiving the PDB is a big one and is a huge risk when it comes to the most sensitive information in the country.

(05-02-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Obama was a very corrupt administration. The only thing mueller has found is that obama doj went after the trump campaign.

The only thing Mueller has found? Really? I'm genuinely curious what reality you live in where that is your takeaway from what is going on from Mueller.

As to the corruption in the Obama administration, I don't deny there was likely corruption, but the level pales in comparison to what we are seeing right now. Especially the openness with which the current administration engages in it.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-02-2018, 07:53 PM)Dill Wrote: Ha ha, so "we all" are waiting. Sure I'll admit my assertion was "demonstrably false."  You got one on me SSF.  100% wrong. 

I will have to settle for a claim that we rarely seem Trump laughing.  The inane point of that would be to add one more plank to a psychological profile which unfits him for the presidency.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000864
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250179459/?tag=saloncom08-20

I'm not really interested in the opinions of people who abandon their professional ethics in the name of partisan politics.

Quote:I don't recall having ever referred to you as a Trump supporter, though some of his policy positions may align with yours, so there is no "further proof" of anything.

I'm sure some of his policy goals align with yours as well.  You have accused me of being right wing due to my failure to toe the ideological purity line many seem to demand nowadays.

Quote:Too early to position yourself a victim of mislabeling, though I see you are all set to do so.  I understand you, not "we all," are intervening now, not to defend Trump, but to prove me wrong. I don't confuse those goals.

I'm not a victim of anything, you've accused me of being right wing.  I'll admit you do it in a very underhanded, duplicitous and plausibly deniable way, but you have done it.  It's also not about "proving you wrong".  It's about being accurate and not partisan.

[StLucieBengal]

(05-03-2018, 09:27 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, no, that's not typically how it works. First, turnover doesn't happen that fast, and many people take government jobs because, you know, they have a sense of service and duty. The turnover rate has been unprecedented, that's newsworthy.


Right. Not that anyone connected with the campaign has plead guilty to any crimes or anything.


Well, Pruitt's list of ethical issues could take up a wall of text in and of themselves. But the whole administration has been plagued by them, including Trump himself.

Things like people who can't get a permanent security clearance receiving the PDB is a big one and is a huge risk when it comes to the most sensitive information in the country.


The only thing Mueller has found? Really? I'm genuinely curious what reality you live in where that is your takeaway from what is going on from Mueller.

As to the corruption in the Obama administration, I don't deny there was likely corruption, but the level pales in comparison to what we are seeing right now. Especially the openness with which the current administration engages in it.

Your playing fast and loose with crimes. None of which were related to Russian collusion and they were fairly weak tea.

As for Pruitt, we will see, if he deserves to be fired he will be fired. It’s not like trump is afraid to fire anyone. Leftists are targeting him because he is whacking away at their holy grail.... the epa.

Permanent clearance is an issue and I’m sure John Kelly is on it.

Mueller has become a joke. They have spread so far off the mark nothing he comes up with can be taken seriously. He loaded up with leftists and his own investigation is tainted. He clearly is looking for a way out of this mess anyway.

Obama admin was ridiculously corrupt. The fact you think its worse or even close. now just shows your leftist glasses are on.

[Belsnickel]

(05-03-2018, 12:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Your playing fast and loose with crimes. None of which were related to Russian collusion and they were fairly weak tea.

They pleaded guilty to crimes. Period. I'm not playing "fast and loose" with the term, they are crimes. Stop trying to pull out some alternative fact nonsense.

(05-03-2018, 12:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: As for Pruitt, we will see, if he deserves to be fired he will be fired. It’s not like trump is afraid to fire anyone. Leftists are targeting him because he is whacking away at their holy grail.... the epa.

Well, that is one reason liberals are targeting him, but his egregious ethics violations are a good reason as well. And Trump isn't going to fire him if he doesn't piss Trump off, and it has consistently been shown that ethics aren't a concern for Trump.

(05-03-2018, 12:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Permanent clearance is an issue and I’m sure John Kelly is on it.

Shouldn't have happened in the first place. This is why the spoils system is wrong.

(05-03-2018, 12:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Mueller has become a joke. They have spread so far off the mark nothing he comes up with can be taken seriously. He loaded up with leftists and his own investigation is tainted. He clearly is looking for a way out of this mess anyway.

I find this statement followed by the next to be hilarious.

(05-03-2018, 12:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Obama admin was ridiculously corrupt. The fact you think its worse or even close. now just shows your leftist glasses are on.

Look, these viewpoints are subjective. That's fine, just acknowledge what they are and move on. These are those things that are agree to disagree. Unlike the first two points in the post which are objectively problems that should be looked into.

Though I would wager money that if you took actual ethics experts and looked at everything discovered between the two administrations, the list from Trump would outpace, if not outright outnumber, the list from Obama. Until that happens, our opinions are only that on the magnitude.

[Millhouse]

Maybe its just me, but she wasnt even that funny. Using a joke referencing a show exclusive to Hulu, I mean cmon. Just because it wins awards, who actually has seen it to understand the joke in the first place? Plus she had to look at her her cards for the jokes. What comedian does that?

Now dont get me wrong, I understand why some find what she said was funny (solely because it was bashing Trump and his minions), but from a humorous point of view, she sucks.

[Dill]

(05-03-2018, 11:11 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not really interested in the opinions of people who abandon their professional ethics in the name of partisan politics.

I'm sure some of his policy goals align with yours as well.  You have accused me of being right wing due to my failure to toe the ideological purity line many seem to demand nowadays.

I'm not a victim of anything, you've accused me of being right wing.  I'll admit you do it in a very underhanded, duplicitous and plausibly deniable way, but you have done it.  It's also not about "proving you wrong".  It's about being accurate and not partisan.

LOL. So today you don't have to read and address the arguments of mental health professionals if you are sure they "abandon professional ethics in the name of partisan politics."   Sounds like a partisan rejection of dialogue couched as upholding a standard of non-partisanship. Not a particularly good standard if "it's about being accurate."  

One can easily be "right wing" without supporting Trump. Noting your consistent defense of right wing positions is not the same as calling you a Trump supporter, which I have never done; So why talk about "further proof" in my mind that you are a Trump supporter--other than to set up a straw man and grouse about a mislabeling that has not occurred? Why the need to position yourself as victim of something which has never occurred?

Ha ha, I don't think you can provide an example of me accusing you "being right wing" in some "underhanded, duplicitous and plausibly deniable way." Why would there be any need for such "underhandedness"?

Why would I want to "plausibly deny" that I said some one who consistently defends right wing positions and affect is right wing?   

[*PhilHos*]

(05-02-2018, 06:44 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL we are starting to get calls for the Nobel Peace Prize from Trump supporters.  What exactly has Trump done to earn it?  He accepted an invitation extended by South Korea. 

I'm not saying Trump deserves a Nobel prize, but what exactly did Obama do to earn his?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-03-2018, 12:43 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL. So today you don't have to read and address the arguments of mental health professionals if you are sure they "abandon professional ethics in the name of partisan politics."   Sounds like a partisan rejection of dialogue couched as upholding a standard of non-partisanship. Not a particularly good standard if "it's about being accurate."

If a mental health professional diagnoses someone they have never treated then they are engaging in activity directly opposed to the professional ethics of their profession.    Why would anyone take the opinions of such people seriously, especially as this conduct is being dictated by partisan politics?  You take is seriously because it fits your narrative, you want to believe it, therefore it is acceptable.  A mental health "professional" who diagnoses Charles Manson without  actually treating him is guilty of professional misconduct and I don't anyone but the most deranged partisan hack would put Trump in that category.

Quote:One can easily be "right wing" without supporting Trump. Noting your consistent defense of right wing positions is not the same as calling you a Trump supporter, which I have never done; So why talk about "further proof" in my mind that you are a Trump supporter--other than to set up a straw man and grouse about a mislabeling that has not occurred?  Why the need to position yourself as victim of something which has never occurred?

I have asked what "right wing positions" you accuse me of "consistently defending".  Was it my arguments for marriage equality dating back well over fifteen years?  Was it my support of labor unions?  Was it my consistent defense of a woman's right to choose to have an abortion and the right to have access to birth control?  Is it my staunch advocacy for secularism?  You're such a blindly partisan person that you require rigid adherence to all tenants of your political ideology or you label the person as the opposite.  Spare me.  Again, no victim, just pointing out how blindly partisan you are.

Quote:Ha ha, I don't think you can provide an example of me accusing you "being right wing" in some "underhanded, duplicitous and plausibly deniable way." Why would there be any need for such "underhandedness"?

You literally just did it in this post. "Ha ha"!

Quote:Why would I want to "plausibly deny" that I said some one who consistently defends right wing positions and affect is right wing?   

That is an outstanding question, why would you?  Get back to me on those "right wing positions" I listed above will you?  

[StLucieBengal]

(05-03-2018, 12:29 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: They pleaded guilty to crimes. Period. I'm not playing "fast and loose" with the term, they are crimes. Stop trying to pull out some alternative fact nonsense.


Well, that is one reason liberals are targeting him, but his egregious ethics violations are a good reason as well. And Trump isn't going to fire him if he doesn't piss Trump off, and it has consistently been shown that ethics aren't a concern for Trump.


Shouldn't have happened in the first place. This is why the spoils system is wrong.


I find this statement followed by the next to be hilarious.


Look, these viewpoints are subjective. That's fine, just acknowledge what they are and move on. These are those things that are agree to disagree. Unlike the first two points in the post which are objectively problems that should be looked into.

Though I would wager money that if you took actual ethics experts and looked at everything discovered between the two administrations, the list from Trump would outpace, if not outright outnumber, the list from Obama. Until that happens, our opinions are only that on the magnitude.

After Trump’s 8 year in office we can make a thread comparing Obama and Trump with corruption.

We can agree to disagree.

I don’t see lying to the fbi as an issue given their role in a lot of the corruption. I think we need to seriously go through that place and weed out people. Until we have a thorough review of fbi and personnel. The political actors in that place is disturbing to say the least.

As for Pruitt, I hope he gets it sorted out. He is doing a great job at the epa. Now we just need to keep killing it off by 2024 it will hopefully be so limp and weak it will take a long time to build back.

Ash for mueller, there is honestly not one person that I run into who doesn’t roll their eyes when mueller is mentioned that includes Democrats and leftists.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-03-2018, 12:48 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm not saying Trump deserves a Nobel prize, but what exactly did Obama do to earn his?

Honestly, he got it for not being George W. Bush.  I'm not an Obama basher, he did some things I liked and some things I didn't.  Overall I think he was very risk adverse, especially in the arena of foreign policy.

[*PhilHos*]

(05-03-2018, 12:42 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Plus she had to look at her her cards for the jokes. What comedian does that?

To be fair, most comedians who aren't stand up comcis (and even many who are) will have cue cards or teleprompters when giving a speech even one that's supposed to be a comedic speech.

[*PhilHos*]

(05-03-2018, 03:36 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Honestly, he got it for not being George W. Bush.  I'm not an Obama basher, he did some things I liked and some things I didn't.  Overall I think he was very risk adverse, especially in the arena of foreign policy.

My point is that Obama certainly didn't deserve it; might as well give it to Trump. Complete the process of making the Nobel Peace Prize completely meaningless.

[Belsnickel]

(05-03-2018, 03:39 PM)PhilHos Wrote: To be fair, most comedians who aren't stand up comcis (and even many who are) will have cue cards or teleprompters when giving a speech even one that's supposed to be a comedic speech.

For stand-up comics it happens whenever they aren't just doing their routine. They can do without for their routine because of the constant practice, but something like this is not the same.