Mollie Tibbets Murder

[Bengalzona]

Terrible story that is gaining notoriety for the wrong reasons.

If you aren't familiar with the story, a young college girl was found murdered in Iowa after she went out jogging. A suspect was later apprehended, a 24 year old Mexican working at a local dairy named Cristhian Rivera.

The apprehension of the suspect received more national attention when Fox News chose it as their top headline last night instead of either national trial. It brought tweets from Donald Trump and Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, who wrote “We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can to bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

According to the farm where Rivera works and his attorney, his status in this country is legal.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/politicians-target-immigration-law-arrest-050742006.html

[HarleyDog]

According is the key word. Highly doubt Trumpster would have tweeted without verification. Oh wait? Never mind.

[6andcounting]

He's in the country legally, great. What about the murder?

[*michaelsean*]

The old message board story. Everything going along peacefully. Nobody acting badly on a potentially volatile story. Then the moderator comes along.

[Vlad]

(08-22-2018, 07:59 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Terrible story that is gaining notoriety for the wrong reasons.

If you aren't familiar with the story, a young college girl was found murdered in Iowa after she went out jogging. A suspect was later apprehended, a 24 year old Mexican working at a local dairy named Cristhian Rivera.

The apprehension of the suspect received more national attention when Fox News chose it as their top headline last night instead of either national trial. It brought tweets from Donald Trump and Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, who wrote “We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can to bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

According to the farm where Rivera works and his attorney, his status in this country is legal.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/politicians-target-immigration-law-arrest-050742006.html

Ah yes typical reaction from the caring and compassionate left...."that little girl in Iowa FOX is obsessed with".

And what national trial are you speaking of?

Surprisingly there was CNN coverage on the case.
Here we have Pocahontas being asked for her reaction to the murder of Mollie and the capture of the alleged illegal. Rather than address the question she chooses to ignore it and starts pandering to deranged democrats watching about the separation of families at the border

You guys know, the executive order Trump signed allowing the separation of families by immigration officials.

https://youtu.be/hJ0ORLU_Q3E

[NATI BENGALS]

Here i was hoping to talk more about the white dude who stabbed and beat a baby to death because "jesus is coming"

Maybe next time since we let faux news control the moral compass of our country

[*michaelsean*]

(08-22-2018, 09:33 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Here i was hoping to talk more about the white dude who stabbed and beat a baby to death because "jesus is coming"

Maybe next time since we let faux news control the moral compass of our country

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[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(08-22-2018, 07:59 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: According to the farm where Rivera works and his attorney, his status in this country is legal.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/politicians-target-immigration-law-arrest-050742006.html

Haven't really paid a ton of attention to this case other than hearing the headlines in passing. Because of this thread I did a bit of digging out of curiosity.

From the article you linked, the attorney isn't actually saying his status in the country is legal, but just that he would argue that it is. Fact and what his defense attorney is willing to argue is true are not the same thing. Here's the quote from the article you linked (emphasis mine):

Quote:Rivera's defense attorney, Allan Richards, acknowledged Wednesday that his client received his paycheck under a different name and that he was uncertain of his immigration status. He said he was prepared to argue that his client was in the country legally...

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Also I normally don't like using Fox News as a source, but as far as the employer goes...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/farm-that-hired-cristhian-rivera-mollie-tibbetts-suspected-killer-did-not-use-e-verify-system-official-says.html

Quote:However, Yarrabee Farms co-owner and manager Dane Lang clarified Wednesday afternoon that the farm did not use a federal E-Verify check on suspect Cristhian Rivera, despite the company's claim earlier in the day that it did.

And as for him coming here as a child (from that same link)...

Quote:United States Citizenship and Immigration Services told Fox News: "A search of records by USCIS revealed Rivera did not make any DACA requests nor were any grants given. We have found no record in our systems indicating he has any lawful immigration status."

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So it doesn't seem like he's here legally at all. For whatever it's worth for this thread. Just wanted to point out the inaccuracies in the OP which led to more from Harley.

[*bfine32*]

(08-22-2018, 09:01 PM)6andcounting Wrote: He's in the country legally, great. What about the murder?

That's what made me say WTF today. They showed dude and the talk was he may have been here legally. Not a whole lot on how he apparently stalked a girl, did lord knows what, threw her in his trunk, and then dumped her somewhere.

I get both sides wanting to make an issue out of legality, but Damn.

[*bfine32*]

(08-22-2018, 09:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Haven't really paid a ton of attention to this case other than hearing the headlines in passing. Because of this thread I did a bit of digging out of curiosity.

From the article you linked, the attorney isn't actually saying his status in the country is legal, but just that he would argue that it is. Fact and what his defense attorney is willing to argue is true are not the same thing. Here's the quote from the article you linked (emphasis mine):


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Also I normally don't like using Fox News as a source, but as far as the employer goes...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/farm-that-hired-cristhian-rivera-mollie-tibbetts-suspected-killer-did-not-use-e-verify-system-official-says.html

And as for him coming here as a child (from that same link)...



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So it doesn't seem like he's here legally at all. For whatever it's worth for this thread. Just wanted to point out the inaccuracies in the OP which led to more from Harley.

I do hope if this is true that the family gets to bring a huge Civil Case against the dairy and instead of Warren talking about family separation and Trump whipping the troops into freenzy, they focus on these employers.

[Bengalzona]

(08-22-2018, 09:01 PM)6andcounting Wrote: He's in the country legally, great. What about the murder?

If he did it, let justice be done. Legal or illegal, IMO.

[Bengalzona]

(08-22-2018, 09:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Haven't really paid a ton of attention to this case other than hearing the headlines in passing. Because of this thread I did a bit of digging out of curiosity.

From the article you linked, the attorney isn't actually saying his status in the country is legal, but just that he would argue that it is. Fact and what his defense attorney is willing to argue is true are not the same thing. Here's the quote from the article you linked (emphasis mine):


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Also I normally don't like using Fox News as a source, but as far as the employer goes...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/farm-that-hired-cristhian-rivera-mollie-tibbetts-suspected-killer-did-not-use-e-verify-system-official-says.html

And as for him coming here as a child (from that same link)...



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So it doesn't seem like he's here legally at all. For whatever it's worth for this thread. Just wanted to point out the inaccuracies in the OP which led to more from Harley.

So much conflicting information going around about this. And all of it politicized. Don't like that. This is a bout a murder and the death a young woman, not immigration issues IMAO.

But like I said before, if it is proven he is the guy, then let justice be done.

[Bengalzona]

(08-22-2018, 09:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do hope if this is true that the family gets to bring a huge Civil Case against the dairy and instead of Warren talking about family separation and Trump whipping the troops into freenzy, they focus on these employers.

[Bengalzona]

(08-22-2018, 09:25 PM)Vlad Wrote: Ah yes typical reaction from the caring and compassionate left...."that little girl in Iowa FOX is obsessed with".

And what national trial are you speaking of?

Surprisingly there was CNN coverage on the case.
Here we have Pocahontas being asked for her reaction to the murder of Mollie and the capture of the alleged illegal. Rather than address the question she chooses to ignore it and starts pandering to deranged democrats watching about the separation of families at the border

You guys know, the executive order Trump signed allowing the separation of families by immigration officials.

https://youtu.be/hJ0ORLU_Q3E

I think the case deserves coverage on the networks because it is a cold blooded murder that needs to be solved. But then again, I watched America's Most Wanted for years hoping they would track down each of those freaks and see justice done.

I believe that politicizing the death and wrapping additional issues around it disrespects the victim. And at this point, the suspect is still only a suspect... regardless of immigration status.

[GMDino]

I had posted about this in the Cohen thread. 

It reminds of a couple years ago when to students were accused of raping a girl in a school bathroom.  The lead on the right wing pages was they were illegal.  I dared mention to a lifelong friend that I didn't care what they were...I cared that they raped this girl.

She berated me and unfriended me.  

Turns out they weren't illegal and they didn't rape her either.  

Never did get an apology.

But the point is the POTUS mentioned it during a campaign rally because he knows his bases hates "illegals" because they are criminals and rapists and murders and bring all the drugs.     So if the accused is not illegal does it get filed under Trump lied,Trump repeated right wing talking points or what? 

[Bengalzona]

Incidentally, here is a photo of the man charged with strangling his wife and two infant daughters last week:



Commenting on politics in the Mollie Tibbets case is the same as someone commenting on this guy's shirt (team, "proud dad", etc.) rather than concentrating of what he is accused of doing and the poor victims.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(08-22-2018, 09:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do hope if this is true that the family gets to bring a huge Civil Case against the dairy and instead of Warren talking about family separation and Trump whipping the troops into freenzy, they focus on these employers.

That's really what needs to be done. Once you remove the financial incentive to hire illegals, the risk is no longer worth it for companies. If companies are then no longer hiring illegals, there will be less illegals coming here to seek employment. So yeah, cracking down on employers are probably the best Step 1 to take.

(08-22-2018, 10:27 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: So much conflicting information going around about this. And all of it politicized. Don't like that. This is a bout a murder and the death a young woman, not immigration issues IMAO.

But like I said before, if it is proven he is the guy, then let justice be done.

Welcome to the mid-late 2010s. It's pretty shitty.

Though in fairness, it was probably always a bit this way. It's just absurdly easier to disseminate information these days, so we see the conflicting information in real time rather than a newspaper one week, and word of mouth another.

[Bengalzona]

(08-22-2018, 11:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Welcome to the mid-late 2010s. It's pretty shitty.

Though in fairness, it was probably always a bit this way. It's just absurdly easier to disseminate information these days, so we see the conflicting information in real time rather than a newspaper one week, and word of mouth another.

True

[*michaelsean*]

(08-22-2018, 11:00 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Incidentally, here is a photo of the man charged with strangling his wife and two infant daughters last week:



Commenting on politics in the Mollie Tibbets case is the same as someone commenting on this guy's shirt (team, "proud dad", etc.) rather than concentrating of what he is accused of doing and the poor victims.

Are you kidding? That’ll be in smack next time we lose to them.

[NATI BENGALS]

Anybody have blueprints for a space force worthy tin foil hat?

I know about this one guy who once took out a full page newspaper ad in a major newspaper leading a racist witch hunt. All he cared about was money power and himself and he wasnt afraid to use racism to promote his cause.

This same guy later got really powerful by enlisting the efforts of a hostile foreign government while controlling the media with the help of the guy who created the tabloid newspapers about Elvis being pregnant with an alien baby. I dont want to say any names about who i suspect. Because this guy really only cares about making everything the best. But having this story in the national news for weeks and then capitalizing on it when you need to change the subject...

I thought the guy was kind of sketchy when he told the porn star she reminded him of his daughter then banged her and paid her off for her silence to manipulate an election. That stuff is easily forgiven though.

But now im starting to wonder if his republican buddy who owned the farm was in on it to frame this brown guy and his payoff was some of that massive farmer bailout money.. .. ..