My bone spurs are acting up...

[BmorePat87]

must be raining...

[Benton]

"Through rain, hail, snow, mud, poisonous gas, bullets and mortar they held the line and pushed onward to victory. Tragically, I could not be with them as my foot was really acting up. And it was raining. I mean, huge rain. Amen."

[Yojimbo]

The fake deployment to the border is costing $200 million dollars of tax payer money and the troops will probably be there, instead of celebrating Thanksgiving with their families.

Trump has ZERO respect for the military.

[Griever]

And yet he said he’d go into a school during an active shooter to rescue kids

[GMDino]

Was it raining in DC yesterday?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pence-miss-veterans-day-observance-at-arlington-cemetery

Quote:President Trump is spending Monday at the White House and had no plans to visit Arlington National Cemetery in northern Virginia as America observes the Veterans Day holiday.


The White House announced a so-called travel lid at 10 a.m. ET, meaning that the president is not expected to hold any public events or leave the executive mansion.

Trump returned to Washington on Sunday evening after a weekend in France, where he attended events commemorating the 100th anniversary of the armistice that ended World War I. The president paid tribute earlier in the day to U.S. and allied soldiers killed in the so-called "war to end all wars."

"We are gathered together at this hallowed resting place to pay tribute to the brave Americans who gave their last breath in that mighty struggle," Trump said at the Suresnes American Cemetery and Memorial in the suburbs of Paris, where more than 1,500 Americans who died in the war are buried.

"It is our duty to preserve the civilization they defended and to protect the peace they so nobly gave their lives to secure one century ago," he said after spending a moment, standing alone amid the cemetery's white crosses, holding a black umbrella.

On Saturday, Trump was criticized for failing to visit a second American cemetery about 60 miles outside of Paris because bad weather grounded the helicopter he planned to take. A handful of senior administration officials, including White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, went in the president's place.

Vice President Mike Pence did not attend Sunday's Veterans Day observance at Arlington National Cemetery, where Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie represented the administration. Wilkie made brief remarks and laid a wreath at the Arlington's Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Homeland
Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, and Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker were among the other Cabinet officials in attendance.

Pence departed Washington late Sunday to travel to Japan, where he will discuss North Korea, China, trade and other issues with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. During a stopover in Alaska, Pence gave remarks to soldiers and airmen at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.

“You are the vanguard, on the edge of the Pacific, standing watch every day, guarding over the American people,” Pence said.

The Veterans Day observance has been held at Arlington every year since 1954 when the holiday's name was formally changed from Armistice Day.

[jj22]

Trump doesn't respect the Military. Obviously. He just uses them for political gain and his supporters once again get conned into believing he's some Patriot. He won't visit them or even pay his respects to the fallen men and women of the military. A disgrace. But American voters are seeing the light.

As for his supporters/defenders on this board. Sooner or later, you'll quit letting yourself get played for a fool for this guy.

Could you imagine if this was Obama. Who acted all pro Military, Vets, and Patriotic every chance he got. Just to refuse to visit our troops or pay respect to our fallen soldiers? I mean honestly, who thinks American voters would let that fly?

[Yojimbo]

(11-13-2018, 12:02 PM)jj22 Wrote: Trump doesn't respect the Military. Obviously. He just uses them for political gain and his supporters once again get conned into believing he's some Patriot. He won't visit them or even pay his respects to the fallen men and women of the military. A disgrace. But American voters are seeing the light.

As for his supporters/defenders on this board. Sooner or later, you'll quit letting yourself get played for a fool for this guy.

Could you imagine if this was Obama. Who acted all pro Military, Vets, and Patriotic every chance he got. Just to refuse to visit our troops or pay respect to our fallen soldiers? I mean honestly, who thinks American voters would let that fly?

You’ll notice his supporters on this board are avoiding this thread like the plague.

[BmorePat87]

It's almost important to note that the absentee ballots he is arguing should not be counted in Florida often come from military members.

[GMDino]

(11-13-2018, 01:11 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: You’ll notice his supporters on this board are avoiding this thread like the plague.

I'm sure they will be by to say they "disapprove" of his behavior and/or to make excuses for it.

[GMDino]

Quote:Donald Trump knows the true meaning of sacrifice

“We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.”
—Canadian soldier John McCrae,
remembering the sacrifice of fellow
World War I troops.

“We’re getting drenched.”
—President Trump, noting his own
sacrifice during World War I centennial
observance Sunday.

On Veterans Day, Americans recall the sacrifices of those who served our country.

We think of the bayonet charge of Maine’s 20th Regiment on Little Round Top, the young men battling through rain and poison gas in the Argonne, the soldiers in the frozen Ardennes Forest in the Battle of the Bulge.

And we think of President Trump, battling rain for not one but two days in France this weekend.
Other presidents had made sacrifices. George Washington camped with his frozen troops in Valley Forge. William Henry Harrison died after a two-hour inaugural address in the rain.

But these were as nothing compared with the elements Trump battled in Paris.

On Saturday, the White House, citing “logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” canceled Trump’s trip to a memorial at Belleau, where 2,000 U.S. Marines died a century ago. It was raining — and Trump opted to remain at the U.S. ambassador’s residence, watching TV and tweeting.

The next day, when other world leaders marched down the Champs-Elysees to the Arc de Triomphe for the centenary of the Armistice ending World War I, Trump instead took his motorcade. The reason this time: security. Once again, it was raining, and Trump stayed dry in his armored limousine.

These were brave decisions, because they meant Trump would have to endure the hurtful images of other world leaders visiting other memorials around France despite the rain, then marching in soggy solidarity without him. His excuses for skipping the war memorial earned ridicule because the cemetery was just an hour’s drive (less than half the time the White House claimed) and Trump had previously boasted about ordering his pilots to fly him despite bad weather — to a campaign rally.

But Trump’s behavior, not unlike Washington’s winter at Valley Forge, should be seen in a patriotic light — a selfless sacrifice for the good of the country. Consider the international disgrace the United States would have suffered if his hair were to have become matted by rain without adequate measures to protect it. Or if wind gusts had whipped his mane into an orange tornado swirling above a sparse white scalp. A soaking could have been calamitous. (This explains why he sent his bald chief of staff, John F. Kelly, in his place.) Trump, therefore, absorbed the losses at Belleau Wood and on the Champs-Elysees to prevail later, at Suresnes American Cemetery, after receiving hair spray reinforcements.

Such shrewd strategic thinking has been Trump’s hallmark since high school at New York Military Academy, where he received “more training militarily” than many get in the actual military. Bone spurs sadly kept him from Vietnam, but he said that avoiding STDs was “my personal Vietnam” and that he was “a great and very brave soldier” in this cause.

Some say Trump doesn’t know the meaning of sacrifice, particularly because he resisted lowering flags after the death of John “Not a War Hero” McCain. But as Trump himself told one Gold Star family, “I’ve made a lot of sacrifices.” And the Paris voyage highlighted Trump’s powers of self-abnegation, coming after he abandoned a $100-million military parade he ordered to honor himself.

He endured French President Emmanuel Macron’s “very insulting” proposal that Europe build up its own military. He endured a topless woman disrupting his motorcade with the words “fake peacemaker” on her chest. He endured mockery in the French press for confusing the Balkans with the Baltics. He endured Macron’s speech declaring that “nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.” And he endured the obvious impression that other leaders didn’t want him at their “Peace Forum,” which began as Trump left.

Through it all, Trump kept his powder dry — and his hair. In the end, his sacrifice was rewarded.

It was still raining Sunday afternoon when Trump went by motorcade to Suresnes. But this time Trump did not retreat. He heroically cast aside his umbrella and spoke — for 10 moist minutes.

He recalled the sacrifice of Americans in the Great War (“through rain, hail, snow, mud, poisonous gas, bullets and mortar, they held the line”). And he invoked his own sacrifice, telling a group under a tent: “You look so comfortable up there, under shelter as we’re getting drenched.”

The lectern dripped. His overcoat glistened. And yet his hair, under protective lacquer, held firm — like the burning bush that was not consumed.

The valiant polymers that fell defending his hair from the rain seeped into the soil at Suresnes. Now it truly can be said, as the poem goes, that there’s some corner of a foreign field that is forever Trump.

[BengalHawk62]

(11-13-2018, 01:11 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: You’ll notice his supporters on this board are avoiding this thread like the plague.

Dude......he literally could walk down 5th Ave there in NYC, shoot somebody, and he'd still be seen as a Savior in their eyes.  He was dead on with that prediction.  It really doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do anymore.  Say or doesn't say anymore.  Tweet or doesn't tweet.  I've actually become pretty apathetic about the whole deal.  there's nothing we can do or say to fix it.  the midterms proved that.  2020 will come around and he'll get re-elected.   Sigh. 

just keep gas cheap.
Keep my 401k intact.
keep Social Security going.
let me keep my job so I can have health insurance.
and maybe, just maybe....legalize the wacky.

do those few things and life is good.

[BmorePat87]

(11-13-2018, 03:50 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Dude......he literally could walk down 5th Ave there in NYC, shoot somebody, and he'd still be seen as a Savior in their eyes.  He was dead on with that prediction.  It really doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do anymore.  Say or doesn't say anymore.  Tweet or doesn't tweet.  I've actually become pretty apathetic about the whole deal.  there's nothing we can do or say to fix it.  the midterms proved that.  2020 will come around and he'll get re-elected.   Sigh. 

just keep gas cheap.
Keep my 401k intact.
keep Social Security going.
let me keep my job so I can have health insurance.
and maybe, just maybe....legalize the wacky.

do those few things and life is good.

That group honestly believes that the economy was just horrible prior to him taking office.

[Benton]

(11-13-2018, 03:50 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: . 

just keep gas cheap.
Keep my 401k intact.
keep Social Security going.
let me keep my job so I can have health insurance.
and maybe, just maybe....legalize the wacky.

do those few things and life is good.

This could be an interesting list.

Republicans are fearful of losing control of both sides in the future, so their window for shutting down social security is closing. There's also predictions of more stock market decline and increasing insurance costs. 

Trump will probably be fine. But republicans are facing a scary cliff of failure.

[GMDino]

Remember when Obama didn't go to remember the 150th anniversary of Gettysburg?!?!


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/190733-website-woes-force-obama-to-skip-gettysburg-ceremony

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/11/obama-snubs-150th-anniversary-of-gettysburg-address/442776/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/obama-no-show-gettysburg-150th-anniversary-fete/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/11/obamas_stunning_snub_120627.html

[*michaelsean*]

So he did something in France to commemorate our soldiers, but that doesn't count or am I missing something?

[GMDino]

(11-14-2018, 11:32 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So he did something in France to commemorate our soldiers, but that doesn't count or am I missing something?

It counts...but the others did more.  That day they all walked and he rode in his motorcade. (low energy)

In fact everyone else made it the day it rained...except him.

Naturally he blames everyone but himself.

[*bfine32*]

(11-13-2018, 01:11 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: You’ll notice his supporters on this board are avoiding this thread like the plague.

Personally I haven't chimed in on the thread because I have 0 idea what it is referring to. I do know that it has been reported that Trump claimed bone spurs to avoid Military Service; however, I do not know how that correlates to it raining. 

In regards to one of the links provided:
I do not think Arlington is the best place to hold a dedication service for Veterans Day; seems, appropriate for Memorial Day. An appearance at a retirement home or a VA facility would be more in order. But if our goal is to complain; we're going to find something to complain about. 

[BmorePat87]

(11-14-2018, 11:32 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So he did something in France to commemorate our soldiers, but that doesn't count or am I missing something?

Of course it did, but we're taking cheap shots at a guy who talks up his support of the military for not joining everyone else at one event commemorating the military because it was drizzling.  

[GMDino]

(11-14-2018, 11:51 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Personally I haven't chimed in on the thread because I have 0 idea what it is referring to. I do know that it has been reported that Trump claimed bone spurs to avoid Military Service; however, I do not know how that correlates to it raining. 

In regards to one of the links provided:
I do not think Arlington is the best place to hold a dedication service for Veterans Day; seems, appropriate for Memorial Day. An appearance at a retirement home or a VA facility would be more in order. But if our goal is to complain; we're going to find something to complain about. 

Sometime I think you must live in a box.

I'm sure it's a NICE box...but how could you, a military man, NOT know what happened on the anniversary of the end of WW I in France over the weekend?

Seriously.

I'll take your word on it...but take a few minutes to read up and then tell us if you will continue to defend Trump on it.

Thanks!

[*michaelsean*]

(11-14-2018, 11:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: Remember when Obama didn't go to remember the 150th anniversary of Gettysburg?!?!


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/190733-website-woes-force-obama-to-skip-gettysburg-ceremony

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/11/obama-snubs-150th-anniversary-of-gettysburg-address/442776/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/obama-no-show-gettysburg-150th-anniversary-fete/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/11/obamas_stunning_snub_120627.html

No but I do remember that he didn't know what Memorial Day was.