NYC another freebie city

[Luvnit2]

Why would illegal immigrants want to live anywhere other than Chicago, NYC, Denver, Boston or California. It amazes me these cities and states give illegal immigrants billions of dollars in freebies including ffee shelter, health insurance and food while ignoring their own citizens.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-city-hand-53-million-pre-paid-credit-cards-migrant-families-report

New York City to hand out $53 million in pre-paid credit cards to migrant families: report
Mayor Eric Adams' office said the program will help migrant families buy food and baby supplies

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(02-03-2024, 06:50 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why would illegal immigrants want to live anywhere other than Chicago, NYC, Denver, Boston or California. It amazes me these cities and states give illegal immigrants billions of dollars in freebies including ffee shelter, health insurance and food while ignoring their own citizens.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-city-hand-53-million-pre-paid-credit-cards-migrant-families-report

New York City to hand out $53 million in pre-paid credit cards to migrant families: report
Mayor Eric Adams' office said the program will help migrant families buy food and baby supplies

Do you want New York to let people starve while they are waiting for their asylum hearings?

If you want to fix the problem, because right now there are no great legal solutions, you gotta change the laws. Something, Senators have been working on but your guy Donald Trump and his Greek chorus MAGA
Minions in the House are refusing to consider because it would give Joe Biden another legislative victory in an election year.

The solutions are at hand if Republicans are actually serious about the immigration issue but they are too busy fear mongering to do their damn jobs.

[Luvnit2]

(02-04-2024, 01:22 AM)pally Wrote: Do you want New York to let people starve while they are waiting for their asylum hearings?

If you want to fix the problem, because right now there are no great legal solutions, you gotta change the laws.  Something, Senators have been working on but your guy Donald Trump and his Greek chorus MAGA
Minions in the House are refusing to consider because it would give Joe Biden another legislative victory in an election year.

The solutions are at hand if Republicans are actually serious about the immigration issue but they are too busy fear mongering to do their damn jobs.

Are you serious? Where has Genocide Joe proposed stopping/deterring illegal immigrants to come to the border? He can do this by declaring an emergency, yet he refuses. Why? His goal is not to take the money and stop/deter illegal immigrants from coming to the border, his goal is add more lawyers. more judges to process even more illegal migrants.

Immigration under Genocide Joe is a loser, he won't change that by trying to blame others. He owns the invasion, he caused it day one in office by getting rid of the great Trump immigration policies.

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Again with the stop-gap measures, why don't you want Congress to do its job and update the laws? An emergency is a temporary measure that will be tied up in court. Declaring an emergency doesn't stop asylum seekers who are LEGALLY presenting themselves for refuge. It doesn't fix the immense backlog of asylum cases that prevents prompt adjudication.

Republicans want to whine about the border but want no part in actually trying to fix it. It is more politically expedient for them to exploit it. Pass the buck to the President that Congress wants to blame instead of doing their job and passing legislation. That would really screw up their bogus politically motivated impeachment of Mayorkas wouldn't it?

[SunsetBengal]

(02-04-2024, 01:22 AM)pally Wrote: Do you want New York to let people starve while they are waiting for their asylum hearings?

No, I want them to be deported back across the border they illegally crossed, where they can return to their previous lives.  If they are hungry, give them a sack lunch while they're waiting for the plane to take them home.

[GMDino]

(02-05-2024, 09:57 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No, I want them to be deported back across the border they illegally crossed, where they can return to their previous lives.  If they are hungry, give them a sack lunch while they're waiting for the plane to take them home.

So why didn't Gov's of Texas and Florida do that in stead of trying to make a political point with people's lives?

Why did they send women and children and not just the "military aged men" to all those ""liberal" cities?

Pick em up, send em back.  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-05-2024, 10:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: So why didn't Gov's of Texas and Florida do that in stead of trying to make a political point with people's lives?

Because the Federal government is in charge of immigration matters and will not allow them to do this.  If they were able to do so they absolutely would.

Quote:Why did they send women and children and not just the "military aged men" to all those ""liberal" cities?

As cynical and manipulative as this maneuver was and is, it was a brilliant move on their part.  It turned the immigration issue into a national one and exposed the Dems positions on this issue.  It's all well and good to be a "sanctuary city" when you have very few migrants to deal with.  Once they actually had to deal with the consequences of this status all of the sudden it became a major problem.  Texas made their problem everyone else's problem as well.  

Quote:Pick em up, send em back.  

Again, 100% illegal.

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(02-05-2024, 09:57 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No, I want them to be deported back across the border they illegally crossed, where they can return to their previous lives.  If they are hungry, give them a sack lunch while they're waiting for the plane to take them home.

I'm not disagreeing people who cross illegally are usually immediately sent back unless they are minor children traveling alone or with non-parents. The narrative conveniently ignores the numbers who are apprehended and get sent back or who are deported.  They want you to think every person who comes across the border is allowed to stay.

The problem at the border comes mostly from asylum seekers.  People who have requested asylum are not here illegally.  They are granted asylum until a court hearing which because of the lack of funding and personnel right now can take up to several years to occur.  Asylum requests are governed by laws which is why they need to be updated 

The border bill which Trump and his supporters don't want passed because it would give a "victory" to Joe Biden toughens the asylum laws, making it more difficult to request asylum, as well as puts more money into the administrative side so these requests can be adjudicated on a timely basis.  We have to stop relying on legally dubious executive orders.  

[GMDino]

(02-05-2024, 12:47 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Because the Federal government is in charge of immigration matters and will not allow them to do this.  If they were able to do so they absolutely would.


As cynical and manipulative as this maneuver was and is, it was a brilliant move on their part.  It turned the immigration issue into a national one and exposed the Dems positions on this issue.  It's all well and good to be a "sanctuary city" when you have very few migrants to deal with.  Once they actually had to deal with the consequences of this status all of the sudden it became a major problem.  Texas made their problem everyone else's problem as well.  


Again, 100% illegal.

Someone should tell Abbott about the Federal government being in charge.  Maybe he wouldn't be fighting to put of the razor wire.

And I'm pretty sure it was illegal to ship them immigrants elsewhere under false pretenses too...but hey it was a "brilliant move", right?  Really helped DeSantis with his Presidential run too.

Anyway:

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-texas-border-8c86bc6c20a7c30d6127b2413b8688fc#:~:text=Greg%20Abbott%20on%20Monday%20approved,go%20to%20enforce%20immigration%20laws.

Quote:[color=var(--color-byline-authors)]BY VALERIE GONZALEZ AND PAUL J. WEBER
Updated 12:00 AM EST, December 19, 2023
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BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — Republican Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday approved sweeping new powers that allow police to arrest migrants who illegally cross the U.S. border and give local judges authority to order them to leave the country, testing the limits of how far a state can go to enforce immigration laws.

Opponents have called the measure the most dramatic attempt by a state to police immigration since a 2010 Arizona law — denounced by critics as the “Show Me Your Papers” bill — that was largely struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. Immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility, and Texas’ law is also likely to face swift legal challenges.

The law, which takes effect in March, allows any Texas law enforcement officer to arrest people who are suspected of entering the country illegally. Once in custody, they could either agree to a Texas judge’s order to leave the U.S. or be prosecuted on misdemeanor charges of illegal entry. Migrants who don’t leave could face arrest again under more serious felony charges.

Abbott, who signed the law in front of a section of border fence in Brownsville, predicted the number of people crossing illegally into Texas would drop by “well over 50%, maybe 75%.” He did not offer evidence for that estimate.

“The consequences of it are so extreme that the people being smuggled by the cartels, they will not want to be coming into the state of Texas,” he said.


The law adds another tension point over immigration amid a struggle between the White House and Senate negotiators to reach a deal on border security. Republicans in Congress are demanding changes to the immigration system in exchange for any help for Ukraine, Israel and other national security needs.

Texas Republicans have increasingly challenged the U.S. government’s authority over immigration, saying President Joe Biden’s administration isn’t doing enough to control the 1,950-mile (3,149-kilometer) southern border. Texas has bused more than 65,000 migrants to cities across America since August 2022 and recently installed razor wire along the banks of the Rio Grande, which has snagged and injured some asylum-seekers.

The U.S. government on Monday temporarily shut down two railroad border crossings in Texas, a move that rail operators said would hamper trade ahead of Christmas. Troy Miller, U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s acting commissioner, said the closures at Eagle Pass and El Paso were a response to more migrants traveling on freight trains, particularly over the last week.

Miller said authorities are seeing “unprecedented” arrivals at the border, topping 10,000 crossings on some days this month.
Shortly after Abbott signed the new law, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas said it would challenge the measure in court. More than 20 congressional Democrats also signed a letter urging the U.S. Justice Department to sue to stop the law, known as Senate Bill 4.

“SB 4 is dangerous for the people of Texas and interferes with the federal government’s exclusive authority over immigration and foreign affairs,” the letter read.

Mexico’s government also has rebuked the measure. Under bilateral and international agreements, Mexico is required to accept deportations of its own citizens, but not those of other countries. Under the Texas law, migrants ordered to leave would be sent to ports of entry along the border with Mexico, even if they are not Mexican citizens. In September and October, Venezuelans were the largest nationality arrested for illegally crossing the U.S. border.

During debate in the Texas House in November, GOP state Rep. David Spiller pushed back against concerns that the law would be used as a dragnet to arrest immigrants statewide. He said enforcement would mostly take place in border counties. But he also rebuffed several efforts by Democrats to narrow the law, including a proposed carve-out for police on college campuses.
Because the illegal entry charge is a misdemeanor, which has a statue of limitation of two years, Spiller has said the law will not be used to target immigrants who have long been settled in the U.S.

“This is not, ‘Round up everyone who is here illegally and ship them back to Mexico,’” he said during debate over the bill.
Opponents have accused Texas Republicans of using the law as a vehicle to force the Supreme Court’s new conservative majority to revisit its landmark 2012 Arizona decision. At the time, Justice Anthony Kennedy said Arizona may have “understandable frustrations” with immigrants who are in the country illegally but that it can’t pursue policies that “undermine federal law.”
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Weber contributed from Austin, Texas. Associated Press writers Mark Stevenson in Mexico City and Elliot Spagat in San Diego contributed to this report.

Meanwhile the Senate has a bipartisan bill to really do something about the perceived problem.

https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-asylum-ukraine-6d3a608948ea7526b462a70d2e2335ef

But republicans, led by their new speaker, refuse to even vote for it in the House.

Maybe Abbott should take issue with them and do something that works on the problem instead of trying to make political points.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-05-2024, 02:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: Someone should tell Abbott about the Federal government being in charge.  Maybe he wouldn't be fighting to put of the razor wire.

An interesting change of course by you.  First you advocate for them to engage in illegal activity, then you complain about them engaging in illegal activity.  Which do you want?

Quote:And I'm pretty sure it was illegal to ship them immigrants elsewhere under false pretenses too...but hey it was a "brilliant move", right?  Really helped DeSantis with his Presidential run too.

Was it?  I haven't seen any charges, or heard of any forthcoming.  As for your deliberate mischaracterization of my statement on the tactic, it's rather par for the course for you.  You can't argue against something, so just misrepresent it.  I'll put it to you more directly.  Did the bussing of migrants to sanctuary cities raise awareness of the extent of this problem or not?  Drop your handwringing over the topic and just answer that question.

Quote:Anyway:

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-texas-border-8c86bc6c20a7c30d6127b2413b8688fc#:~:text=Greg%20Abbott%20on%20Monday%20approved,go%20to%20enforce%20immigration%20laws.





Meanwhile the Senate has a bipartisan bill to really do something about the perceived problem.

Except the Senate doesn't need to do a single thing to "solve" this problem.  Existing immigration law, if actually enforced, would address it.

Quote:https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-asylum-ukraine-6d3a608948ea7526b462a70d2e2335ef

But republicans, led by their new speaker, refuse to even vote for it in the House.

Maybe because they don't like what's in the "deal"?

Quote:Maybe Abbott should take issue with them and do something that works on the problem instead of trying to make political points.

I'm sure he would if he disagreed with them.  I haven't heard him do so as of this writing.

[Luvnit2]

(02-05-2024, 10:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: So why didn't Gov's of Texas and Florida do that in stead of trying to make a political point with people's lives?

Why did they send women and children and not just the "military aged men" to all those ""liberal" cities?

Pick em up, send em back.  

Simple, Genocide Joe's DOJ would not allow them to send them back. But, I am sure they did not count on Texas and others sending them to sanctuary cities.

[Luvnit2]

(02-05-2024, 02:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: Someone should tell Abbott about the Federal government being in charge.  Maybe he wouldn't be fighting to put of the razor wire.

And I'm pretty sure it was illegal to ship them immigrants elsewhere under false pretenses too...but hey it was a "brilliant move", right?  Really helped DeSantis with his Presidential run too.

Anyway:

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-texas-border-8c86bc6c20a7c30d6127b2413b8688fc#:~:text=Greg%20Abbott%20on%20Monday%20approved,go%20to%20enforce%20immigration%20laws.





Meanwhile the Senate has a bipartisan bill to really do something about the perceived problem.

https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-asylum-ukraine-6d3a608948ea7526b462a70d2e2335ef

But republicans, led by their new speaker, refuse to even vote for it in the House.

Maybe Abbott should take issue with them and do something that works on the problem instead of trying to make political points.

The Speaker of the house has an immigration bill also, sent to Schumer and he failed to vote on it. Why?

[Luvnit2]

Mayor Adams is now giving illegal immigrants money each month. Ironically, NYC is giving the illegal immigrants 40% more than their own struggling citizens on SNAP.

Adams is enticing everyone that illegal immigrants that comes across the border to consider NYC as an option. Yes, Texas should help them get to NYC, Chicago, California, Denver or any sanctuary city or state. Why would these cities and states resist? They are on record saying they will keep them safe, shelter, feed and now give them cash.

Why are these cities providing more to the illegal immigrants than to their own citizens who struggle to be safe, get shelter and feed themselves?