Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US

[Vas Deferens]

(08-08-2019, 08:56 AM)michaelsean Wrote: To switch gears a moment, I've been watching a series on ID called Evil Lives Here.  It's usually family members of someone not quite infamous although you would recognize a few, and they talk about the person's life leading up to whatever event they are known for.  In most of these cases, the parents do everything in their power, but get very little help.  They beg for help from psychiatrists and from the government.  No parent is equipped to raise a psychotic.  Some day if the histories of these two people are revealed, there's a good chance we will find a parent who tried to get help years ago.  Like when they were eight or younger.

Can you imagine spending our tax dollars on helping people?  Spending OUR MONEY (read: citizens; corp dont pay taxes) on someone else?  Even if that assistance ends up benefiting society as a whole by treating and supporting the mentally deranged...  Sounds like god damned socialism to me.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 09:05 AM)hollodero Wrote: Well, Tucker apparently does.... he called it a hoax and a conspiracy theory.

I believe his argument is one of scope, not of existence.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 09:29 AM)jj22 Wrote: Well Tucker is also a holocaust denier 

Source please.

[GMDino]

(08-08-2019, 10:16 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Source please.

I know I'll catch hell for using Media Matters, and I know they are blatantly liberal, but the events they cite did happen.

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Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/thetomzone/status/944323458531516416]December 22, 2017: On Twitter, Carlson linked to explicitly racist YouTube channel Red Ice TV, then deleted the tweet. As end-of-year content, Carlson was tweeting out what appeared to be a tongue-in-cheek list of 100 things that had been called racist in 2017. For item 19, Carlson tweeted out a link to Red Ice TV, an explicitly racist media operation with a wide-reaching YouTube channel which hosts Holocaust deniers and criticizes interracial relationships. While Carlson deleted the tweet after some backlash, Red Ice TV relished in the attention and devoted a video to the incident.

Tucker Carlson just linked to Red Ice, a white supremacist radio show, while trying to prove the campus SJWs are the real racists. https://t.co/EUhO8CpmIm

— LVL 45 CHAOS POTUS (@thetomzone) December 22, 2017

That doesn't make Tucker a denier...it makes him someone who thinks racism is a joke and he can't tell the difference.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 10:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: I know I'll catch hell for using Media Matters, and I know they are blatantly liberal, but the events they cite did happen.



That doesn't make Tucker a denier...it makes him someone who thinks racism is a joke and he can't tell the difference.

Well, you quoted Vox yesterday, so it's not the worse of your sins.  

Quoting someone doesn't mean you follow them or are even familiar with them.  Pewdiepie caught flak for sharing a E;R video because he liked the particular video.  Turns out the channel has some questionable, at best, content.  Pewds had no idea.  Point being, a person, channel or show can make a point that you agree with and you can be completely unaware of the rest of their content.  Especially in today's age with the proliferation of shows, podcasts, youtube channels etc., it's impossible to know all of them.  Yes, as a high profile personality it would behoove him to properly vet his sources (and maybe he did), but that doesn't equal blanket acceptance of the point of view of his source.

Thank you though for agreeing that jj is talking out his nether regions by claiming Tucker is a Holocaust denier.  

[GMDino]

(08-08-2019, 11:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well, you quoted Vox yesterday, so it's not the worse of your sins.  

Quoting someone doesn't mean you follow them or are even familiar with them.  Pewdiepie caught flak for sharing a E;R video because he liked the particular video.  Turns out the channel has some questionable, at best, content.  Pewds had no idea.  Point being, a person, channel or show can make a point that you agree with and you can be completely unaware of the rest of their content.  Especially in today's age with the proliferation of shows, podcasts, youtube channels etc., it's impossible to know all of them.  Yes, as a high profile personality it would behoove him to properly vet his sources (and maybe he did), but that doesn't equal blanket acceptance of the point of view of his source.

Thank you though for agreeing that jj is talking out his nether regions by claiming Tucker is a Holocaust denier.  

There's enough wrong with Tucker without making stuff up about him. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 11:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: There's enough wrong with Tucker without making stuff up about him. 

I can definitely see why people don't like him.  He excels at the kind of show he does, he's light years better at it than O'Reilly.

[hollodero]

(08-08-2019, 10:15 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I believe his argument is one of scope, not of existence.

Well ok, he said "they can't fill a football stadium", which might be seen as an admission that some do at least exist. But the fact remains he also called the idea of white supremacy a hoax and a conspiracy theory. I think that still qualifies for dismissal, even if he thinks there might be one or two guys who believe in the concept. I guess it's safe to say it's at least gross belittlement.

In any case, claims like that of course evoke rebuttals, and that further contributes to white supremacy being in politician's mouths and in the media.

[jj22]

Um, no just no. There is plenty proof out there but you clearly don't want to hear it. I thought you were Jewish? How can you excuse this? Are you cool with the Nazi's too now that Trump tells you to be? Pretty sad if you ask me. But in the example you think told me, he deleted after the backlash so I guess that makes it all better. I'm not going to play the prove it game just to show proof and hear all the excuses. GMD tried and we see how quickly you twisted his statement.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 11:22 AM)hollodero Wrote: Well ok, he said "they can't fill a football stadium", which might be seen as an admission that some do at least exist. But the fact remains he also called the idea of white supremacy a hoax and a conspiracy theory. I think that still qualifies for dismissal, even if he thinks there might be one or two guys who believe in the concept. I guess it's safe to say it's at least gross belittlement.

I understand the issue with minimizing it, but the numbers rather bear him out.  I posted a BBC article about extremist violence earlier in the thread.  The number of people killed in the name of white supremacy every year never breaks 60 and is frequently much lower than that.  As I said in that post, this is zero comfort to the people killed or their loved ones.  However, it's just not the threat that the media and the Dems are currently making it out to be.  You'll hear a lot about "in the past fifteen years white supremacists have killed more people than Islamic terrorists", which is true.  But notice they will always use a time frame that doesn't include 9/11.  So, again, white supremacy should absolutely be addressed and it shouldn't be ignored, just like all race inspired violence should be.  At the same time, the facts don't bear out a conclusion that it's an enormous threat in this country.

[hollodero]

(08-08-2019, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: At the same time, the facts don't bear out a conclusion that it's an enormous threat in this country.

The truth might lie somewhere in the middle, probably.

I just want to add that the threat of white supremacy runs deeper than a mere death count.

[jj22]

(08-08-2019, 12:02 PM)hollodero Wrote: The truth might lie somewhere in the middle, probably.

I just want to add that the threat of white supremacy runs deeper than a mere death count.

It sure does. Imagine all the cops, lawyers, judges, teachers, employers who are white supremacist and what they've done to minorities over the years they were/are in power.

That was the big thing with the Charlotte Nazi pictures. These weren't poor white people or uneducated people. They were future judges, teachers, lawyers, cops etc. Everyday people. The future of America.

It doesn't take courage to care if you are apart of the majority and it doesn't effect you, or you benefit from it. It takes courage from the Majority to protect the minority and make sure their voice is heard. Which is why I applaud those in the majority on this board for actually caring even tho they may not experience it. Thank God for those people. It's because of them that we were freed and Jim Crow laws were brought down.

They could have easily denied it all because it didn't effect them. That's easy. To fight against something that doesn't effect you and your family is what takes courage. But not everyone is courageous. Or they fear being called a "n" lover as they were back in the day, or the more politically correct current "Snowflake" attack.

 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 12:02 PM)hollodero Wrote: The truth might lie somewhere in the middle, probably.

I just want to add that the threat of white supremacy runs deeper than a mere death count.

No doubt racism, of all kinds, has a far greater impact on people's day to day lives then is encompassed in the scope of these shootings.  However, the current reaction in the media and the Democratic party is based on the shootings and we're in a thread about the shootings.  This is why I made the point I made. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 11:27 AM)jj22 Wrote: Um, no just no. There is plenty proof out there but you clearly don't want to hear it. I thought you were Jewish? How can you excuse this? Are you cool with the Nazi's too now that Trump tells you to be? Pretty sad if you ask me.

I'm going to say this politely, one time.  Be really careful about making accusations like this.  I'm not going to stand for your making baseless, and hyperbolic, accusations like this.

Quote:But in the example you think told me, he deleted after the backlash so I guess that makes it all better. I'm not going to play the prove it game just to show proof and hear all the excuses. GMD tried and we see how quickly you twisted his statement.

I didn't twist anything and GM apparently didn't think so either.  You disagree, fine, but confine yourself to facts or we're going to have a problem.

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 11:17 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I can definitely see why people don't like him.  He excels at the kind of show he does, he's light years better at it than O'Reilly.

I don't know ... I can't picture Tucker screaming, "**** IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!" 

[jj22]

(08-08-2019, 01:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm going to say this politely, one time.  Be really careful about making accusations like this.  I'm not going to stand for your making baseless, and hyperbolic, accusations like this.


I didn't twist anything and GM apparently didn't think so either.  You disagree, fine, but confine yourself to facts or we're going to have a problem.

I was asking a question. What's wrong with that? You said you was Jewish, I've never brought up your religion, you brought it into this discussion. I'm asking how can you make excuses for a holocaust denier being a Jew? Is that not a legitimate question?  Now if you don't want to answer it then that's on you, but don't try to threaten me from wherever you are at online and think I'm over here shaking in my boots.   

Cause I'm not.....

And you did try to twist GM's post, because you asked for proof and GM provided an example, and you tried to turn it around as if he proved you right.  

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 02:45 PM)jj22 Wrote: I was asking a question. What's wrong with that? You said you was Jewish, I've never brought up your religion, you brought it into this discussion. I'm asking how can you make excuses for a holocaust denier being a Jew? Is that not a legitimate question?  Now if you don't want to answer it then that's on you, but don't try to threaten me from wherever you are at online and think I'm over here shaking in my boots.   

Cause I'm not.....

And you did try to twist GM's post, because you asked for proof and GM provided an example, and you tried to turn it around as if he proved you right.  

I've only read the last page of this thread, but no one, not even GMDino, has provided proof that Tucker Carlson is a holocaust denier. So, before you ask how a self-proclaimed Jew can "make excuses for a holocaust denier", maybe prove that Carlson is one first. Just a thought.

[jj22]

Ok, I'll think about playing along just as soon as I'm done listening to him slam Jews..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l8XdUhhpYE

[jj22]

https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/video-fox-news-tucker-carlson-echoes-white-nationalists-white-supremacists-and-neo

I'll see how many excuses come before I proceed (hint: I'm not proceeding as I already know this game, but giving Philhos the benefit of doubt).

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 03:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: Ok, I'll think about playing along just as soon as I'm done listening to him slam Jews..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l8XdUhhpYE

(08-08-2019, 03:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/video-fox-news-tucker-carlson-echoes-white-nationalists-white-supremacists-and-neo

I'll see how many excuses come before I proceed (hint: I'm not proceeding as I already know this game, but giving Philhos the benefit of doubt).

I appreciate the attempt at backing up your claim with proof, but neither of those shows Tucker denying the Holocaust.