Neo Nazi: need to know

[BmorePat87]

They are pathetic little men who believe their quality of life will be diminished once their race isn't a majority because that's what they supported being done to others.

Also, they've actually killed people in this country.

The fact that they really like Trump doesn't mean you have to defend them by deflecting on the people who oppose them. There's really way too much Nazi deflection going on. Just because you voted for Trump doesn't mean everyone here will think you like to wear a white polo, khakis, some lame leather boots, and march around with a shield yelling about Jews.

Just an FYI for anyone who is finding themselves having a hard time condemning Nazis here.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2017, 09:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They are pathetic little men who believe their quality of life will be diminished once their race isn't a majority because that's what they supported being done to others.

Also, they've actually killed people in this country.

The fact that they really like Trump doesn't mean you have to defend them by deflecting on the people who oppose them. There's really way too much Nazi deflection going on. Just because you voted for Trump doesn't mean everyone here will think you like to wear a white polo, khakis, some lame leather boots, and march around with a shield yelling about Jews.

Just an FYI for anyone who is finding themselves having a hard time condemning Nazis here.

Interesting, as I voted for Trump, yet I don't support Nazis, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacy, or any of that bullshit.  Yet, I find myself being looked down upon, as if I'm culpable for something.  That simply is not the case.  I grew up in an upper Lower Class family, in a factory town in Ohio that is now, virtually a dead zone.  That town, like many a town in the rust belt, was racially diverse.  I did take the opportunity to become better educated than my parents, both of whom never finished HS.  Make no mistakes, I know exactly who I am, and where I came from.

I am of that "lost generation", the ones stuck between the baby boomers, and the millennials.  I'm that like between the "good ole' days", and that "neo-liberaltopia" that so many of today's folk seem to envision.  Let me tell all of you something.  I've seen both sides, neither one is any more correct, or better than the other.  People will still have their personal demons, no matter how hard you try to sanitize the environment.  Hatred is in one's personal heart, not in a color of skin.  

At 10 years old, I got my ass kicked, for wandering into a black neighborhood.  I didn't understand why, I was just a kid.  My Grandmother had to clean me up, and explain what racism was.  In the 38 years since that day, I've seen much progress made to ease that general tension between the races.  However, during the years of the Obama administration, those racial tensions have shot back up to levels that I haven't seen since I was a kid.  Why?  And the better question is;  Why does the media want to keep fueling a fire?  Heck, things seemed to be going pretty well for the most part.  Why put people against one another again?

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(08-20-2017, 09:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Interesting, as I voted for Trump, yet I don't support Nazis, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacy, or any of that bullshit.  Yet, I find myself being looked down upon, as if I'm culpable for something.  That simply is not the case.  I grew up in an upper Lower Class family, in a factory town in Ohio that is now, virtually a dead zone.  That town, like many a town in the rust belt, was racially diverse.  I did take the opportunity to become better educated than my parents, both of whom never finished HS.  Make no mistakes, I know exactly who I am, and where I came from.

I am of that "lost generation", the ones stuck between the baby boomers, and the millennials. 

Same here; I'm a Generation X member too and I also voted for Donald Trump and I make no apologies for this fact. I'm with Sunset and I can't stand anyone who wants to divide people by race. Heck, I'm mixed: Half Euro and half Latino. I'm a first generation American, born here to two legal immigrants who came here from two different socialist hellholes to get a chance at freedom. English is my third language.

Here's the thing: My Italian family fought on the wrong side during World War II on the side of the Fascists and Nazis. Do I feel guilty about this? No, because I'm an American. I'm not happy war broke out and I'm not happy previous generations of my family were on the wrong side but that doesn't make me love them any less. My Argentine family didn't hide any Nazis or Fascists after the war but they sure noticed some new additions to the neighborhood. I don't feel guilty about that either because I'm an American.

[*Nately120*]

I just assumed people are content to claim things they have no control over, their race, which country they were born in, their age, are the defining reason they are right/better because they don't have many actual accomplishments to boast about.

It's just the laziest thing to base what makes you awesome/right upon. How many times have you had some sort of debate with someone and they pull the "When you're my age you'll understand" argument. Ok, so you are older than me so you are right. That isn't fair because my age isn't under my control. Can't win this argument because I can't magically become OLDER than you. Find something you didn't earn and your opponent can't change and decide that is the ultimate thing that makes you right or better.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2017, 11:12 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I just assumed people are content to claim things they have no control over, their race, which country they were born in, their age, are the defining reason they are right/better because they don't have many actual accomplishments to boast about.

It's just the laziest thing to base what makes you awesome/right upon.  How many times have you had some sort of debate with someone and they pull the "When you're my age you'll understand" argument.  Ok, so you are older than me so you are right.  That isn't fair because my age isn't under my control.  Can't win this argument because I can't magically become OLDER than you.  Find something you didn't earn and your opponent can't change and decide that is the ultimate thing that makes you right or better.

Alright then.  Let's conduct an experiment, shall we?  You go find 100 random black men over age 45, and 100 black men around age 25, ask both groups how many times they have been accosted by Nazis, or statues of the confederate war.  Get back to me when you have logged all their responses..

[StLucieBengal]

(08-20-2017, 09:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They are pathetic little men who believe their quality of life will be diminished once their race isn't a majority because that's what they supported being done to others.

Also, they've actually killed people in this country.

The fact that they really like Trump doesn't mean you have to defend them by deflecting on the people who oppose them. There's really way too much Nazi deflection going on. Just because you voted for Trump doesn't mean everyone here will think you like to wear a white polo, khakis, some lame leather boots, and march around with a shield yelling about Jews.

Just an FYI for anyone who is finding themselves having a hard time condemning Nazis here.

I voted for Trump and probably 90 some % of my colleagues voted for Him as well. And I know 0% of people who support Nazi's. This is just more leftists playing the identity politics game because people are past caring if they are called a racist any longer

People are tired of the uniparty. That's why trump won. They want strong borders and to not be called racists all the time.

[BmorePat87]

(08-20-2017, 11:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Alright then.  Let's conduct an experiment, shall we?  You go find 100 random black men over age 45, and 100 black men around age 25, ask both groups how many times they have been accosted by Nazis, or statues of the confederate war.  Get back to me when you have logged all their responses..

I'll get 100 black men of any age and 100 white men of any age and ask them how many times their race has been a detriment to them in their lives. The results won't even be close.

The media is fueling this race thing. It's been fueled for 250 years. They're just shining a light on its ugliness as we reach an age of 24/7 information. For better or for worse, the age of social media has made it easier to reveal injustices to the world and organize those who seek to continue those injustices.

The point of this thread was to say "being a Republican or Trump supporter doesn't make you a Nazi nor does it mean you should feel some need to defend them". We've already hashed this out which regards to Antifa not being a representation of all those who stand against radical right wing hatred, but apparently some are still stuck on trying to play a game of "look how this group that didn't kill an innocent woman in the streets is totally worse". Anytime you play "you know what's worse than Nazis/Communists?", you're defending that side.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2017, 11:58 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'll get 100 black men of any age and 100 white men of any age and ask them how many times their race has been a detriment to them in their lives. The results won't even be close.

The media is fueling this race thing. It's been fueled for 250 years. They're just shining a light on its ugliness as we reach an age of 24/7 information. For better or for worse, the age of social media has made it easier to reveal injustices to the world and organize those who seek to continue those injustices.

The point of this thread was to say "being a Republican or Trump supporter doesn't make you a Nazi nor does it mean you should feel some need to defend them". We've already hashed this out which regards to Antifa not being a representation of all those who stand against radical right wing hatred, but apparently some are still stuck on trying to play a game of "look how this group that didn't kill an innocent woman in the streets is totally worse". Anytime you play "you know what's worse than Nazis/Communists?", you're defending that side.

Really now?  Last I checked, all people were protected under the US Constitution, equal under the law of the land.  We're not talking about the rest of the world, but what is happening in this Nation.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-20-2017, 11:58 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'll get 100 black men of any age and 100 white men of any age and ask them how many times their race has been a detriment to them in their lives. The results won't even be close.

The media is fueling this race thing. It's been fueled for 250 years. They're just shining a light on its ugliness as we reach an age of 24/7 information. For better or for worse, the age of social media has made it easier to reveal injustices to the world and organize those who seek to continue those injustices.

The point of this thread was to say "being a Republican or Trump supporter doesn't make you a Nazi nor does it mean you should feel some need to defend them". We've already hashed this out which regards to Antifa not being a representation of all those who stand against radical right wing hatred, but apparently some are still stuck on trying to play a game of "look how this group that didn't kill an innocent woman in the streets is totally worse". Anytime you play "you know what's worse than Nazis/Communists?", you're defending that side.

The media has fueled all this backlash. On all sides. 300 white supremecists have never been an issue before and won't be an issue unless the media keep fueling them.

[BmorePat87]

(08-21-2017, 12:10 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Really now?  Last I checked, all people were protected under the US Constitution, equal under the law of the land.  We're not talking about the rest of the world, but what is happening in this Nation.

All people? Absolutely not. For starters, there's no national anti discrimination legislation protecting the LGBT community.

There's also de facto discrimintion that still occurs. For example, while an employer can't discriminate on the basis of race, we know that, based on studies, equally qualified black candidates get called back less than white candidates. Former white convicts were as likely to get called back as black men with no criminal record and a college education. Despite nearly identical rates of use, black people are far more likely to get arrested for possession of marijuana. Black people are far more likely to get the death penalty than whites people when they're convicted of murder. There are countless examples like this.

Anyone who truly believes we live a nation where all are truly equal is either naive or disingenuous.

[BmorePat87]

(08-21-2017, 12:18 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The media has fueled all this backlash. On all sides. 300 white supremecists have never been an issue before and won't be an issue unless the media keep fueling them.

Yea, then Ben Shapiro should really stop treating them like heroes

[NATI BENGALS]

What people on the right need to realize is the largest white supremacy rally in decades was self labeled "Unite The Right"

Quit blaming Obama and unarmed black guys getting killed by cops for making white supremacist scumbags feel comfortable in your party.

[Vlad]

(08-20-2017, 09:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They are pathetic little men who believe their quality of life will be diminished once their race isn't a majority because that's what they supported being done to others.

Also, they've actually killed people in this country.

The fact that they really like Trump doesn't mean you have to defend them by deflecting on the people who oppose them. There's really way too much Nazi deflection going on. Just because you voted for Trump doesn't mean everyone here will think you like to wear a white polo, khakis, some lame leather boots, and march around with a shield yelling about Jews.

Just an FYI for anyone who is finding themselves having a hard time condemning Nazis here.

This is still irking you isn't it?

For the umpteenth time no one has a hard time condemning Nazis.
Sunsetbengal, you have a hard time condemning Nazis? How about you StLuc? SSF?

White supremacists have been around a long time...we've know who they are for along time , we've known what they stand for a long time, and we've been condemning them for a long time. OLD NEWS!

What made the news that day was not that white supremacists held a rally in Charlottesville but the violence that occurred.
And why did it get violent?


The rise of a violent alt-left group that mimics terrorists merits no discussion?...the possibility that violating the supremacists right to assemble merits no discussion?
This is not deflecting, nor is it defending white supremacy...Antifa is NEW NEWS!

If we are not allowed to discuss Antifa, or 1st Amendment violations then when can we Pat?

Would have one thread dedicated only to the condemnation of the White supremacist group, and a separate thread to discuss the rise of Antifa and how it violated the right of White supremacist to assemble met your approval?

[BmorePat87]

(08-21-2017, 12:26 AM)Vlad Wrote: This is still irking you isn't it?

For the umpteenth time no one has a hard time condemning Nazis.
Sunsetbengal, you have a hard time condemning Nazis? How about you StLuc? SSF?

White supremacists have been around a long time...we've know who they are for along time , we've known what they stand for a long time, and we've been condemning them for a long time.

What made the news that day was not that white supremacists held a rally in Charlottesville but the violence that occurred.

And why did it get violent?
The rise of a violent alt-left group that mimics terrorists merits no discussion?...the possibility that violating the supremacists right to assemble merits no discussion?

If we are not allowed to discuss Antifa, or 1st Amendment violations then when can we Pat?

Would have one thread dedicated only to the condemnation of the White supremacist group, and a separate thread to discuss the rise of Antifa and how it violated the right of White supremacist to assemble met your approval?

This, folks, is an example of someone defending Nazis. He claims he isn't and then blames them bringing weapons, starting fights, and murdering a woman on the left.

[Vlad]

Wouldn't it be fabulous if liberals here and in the news media were as fiercely dedicated to calling out Islamic terror as they are in calling out white supremacy.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-21-2017, 12:19 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, then Ben Shapiro should really stop treating them like heroes

Hahaha according to ADL he was targeted by the white supremecists more than anyone else last year.

He has zero love for these guys .

Please inform yourself.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-21-2017, 12:18 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: All people? Absolutely not. For starters, there's no national anti discrimination legislation protecting the LGBT community.

There's also de facto discrimintion that still occurs. For example, while an employer can't discriminate on the basis of race, we know that, based on studies, equally qualified black candidates get called back less than white candidates. Former white convicts were as likely to get called back as black men with no criminal record and a college education. Despite nearly identical rates of use, black people are far more likely to get arrested for possession of marijuana. Black people are far more likely to get the death penalty than whites people when they're convicted of murder. There are countless examples like this.

Anyone who truly believes we live a nation where all are truly equal is either naive or disingenuous.

The gays have rights. Every man and woman have rights. Unless the gays are claiming alien then that includes them.

No one needs special extra rights.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

Phew, that was close.

I was just thinking to myself "Self, you know what this board is in desperate need of? Another thread where people can call others Nazi and Nazi-supporters because they aren't unquestionably agreed with."

CRISIS AVERTED, FOLKS!

[*Nately120*]

(08-20-2017, 11:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Alright then.  Let's conduct an experiment, shall we?  You go find 100 random black men over age 45, and 100 black men around age 25, ask both groups how many times they have been accosted by Nazis, or statues of the confederate war.  Get back to me when you have logged all their responses..

Sample sizes that small won't meet the standard 95% confidence interval, so you could just dismiss the research as inapplicable to the overall population.  In on to you!

[ballsofsteel]

(08-20-2017, 11:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Alright then.  Let's conduct an experiment, shall we?  You go find 100 random black men over age 45, and 100 black men around age 25, ask both groups how many times they have been accosted by Nazis, or statues of the confederate war.  Get back to me when you have logged all their responses..

Good morning. What did Obama do or didn't do to make race relations worse and back to when you where 10 years old? Be specific please.

"You go find 100 random black men over age 45, and 100 black men around age 25, ask both groups how many times they have been accosted by Nazis,"
Are you serious? You wont find any black men accosted by Nazi's because they would be too scared to confront them one on one.
A mob of hillbilly's with torches are marching on a college campus yelling racial slurs. The media reports this news and all of a sudden they are "fueling" these assholes.
The old "media bias" claim.
No wonder some of you guys voted for Trump. Great minds think a like.