Netanyahu says Palestinian gave Hitler idea for the Holocaust

[GMDino]

He may have finally lost it....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/

Quote:JERUSALEM -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a speech to the World Zionist Congress on Tuesday. His subject was “the 10 big lies.”

Referring to the current cycle of violence, Netanyahu said Jews in Israel have faced attacks in the past -- in 1920, 1921, 1929 -- instigated by the “Mufti of Jerusalem,” Haj Amin al-Husseini, who allied himself with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis during World War II.

Then Netanyahu delivered this jaw-dropping assertion:

“Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they'll all come here.’ ‘So what should I do with them?’ he asked. He said, ‘Burn them.’

Netanyahu said the Mufti of Jerusalem had “a central role in fomenting the final solution.”

Reaction in Israel -- and around the Jewish world -- came hard and fast. First politicians were agog. Then historians of the Holocaust piled on. Then Netanyahu was mocked in social media memes and parodies.

Isaac Herzog, the leader of the opposition in the Israeli parliament, wrote: “This is a dangerous historical distortion and I demand Netanyahu correct it immediately as it minimizes the Holocaust, Nazism and … Hitler's part in our people's terrible disaster."

Herzog pointed out that the Holocaust had already begun by the time the Grand Mufti met Hitler in November 1941. Zionist Union parliamentarian Itzik Shmuli demanded Netanyahu apologize to Holocaust victims, according to the Israeli newspaper Haartez.

"This is a great shame, a prime minister of the Jewish State at the service of Holocaust-deniers – this is a first," Shmuli said. "This isn't the first time Netanyahu distorts historical facts, but a lie of this magnitude is the first."

"This wasn't a speech by Jorg Haider," the late leader of the far-right Freedom Party in Austria, wrote Zevaha Galon of the left-wing Meretz party on her Facebook page. "This wasn't a snippet of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ doctoral thesis,” which questions that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. “This was an actual quote by the prime minister of the State of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, before the World Zionist Congress. It has to be seen to be believed."


"Perhaps we should exhume the corpses of the 33,771 Jews murdered in Babi Yar in September 1941, two months before the Mufti and Hitler met, and bring them up to speed on the fact that the Nazis had no intention of destroying them," Galon wrote.

Babi Yar was the ravine outside the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, where the mass killing of Jews by German troops and local collaborators took place.

The Palestinian leader and former peace negotiator Saeb Erekat said, “Netanyahu hates Palestinians so much that he is willing to absolve Hitler of the murder of 6 million Jews.”

The Mufti of Jerusalem, Husseini, was a religious and political leader of the Arab population in Palestine during the British Mandatory period between the two world wars. He fomented deadly riots against the Zionists coming to Palestine; opposed mass migration of Jews; and he allied with Hitler and the Nazis during World War II, in part because of his opposition to British colonial rule. The pan-Arabist Mufti spent the war in Berlin, broadcasting Arabic language propaganda and incitement against Jews and the allies.

The chief historian of the Yad Vashem, the World Center for Holocaust Research, Documentation, Education and Commemoration in Jerusalem, Dina Porat, told the Israeli news Web site Ynet that Netanyahu's statements were factually incorrect.

"You cannot say that it was the mufti who gave Hitler the idea to kill or burn Jews," she said. "It's not true. Their meeting occurred after a series of events that point to this."

Meir Litvak, who teaches at Tel Aviv University's Department of Middle Eastern History, told the website: "Husseini supported the extermination of the Jews, he tried to prevent rescuing of Jews, he recruited Arabs for the SS. He was an abominable person, but this must not minimize the scale of Hitler's guilt."

In Israel the tweets went back and forth.



David Bedein, direct of the Center for Near East Policy Research & Israel Resource News Agency, in Jerusalem circulated his 2012 speech on the Mufti’s WW2 activities:

“No one denies the Mufti’s Arabic language radio broadcasts, his recruitment of the Islamic SS unit, and his active involvement in SS round ups of Jews in Yugosolvia. And there is no doubt that Mufti was aware of the Final Solution, fully supported it, and sought to extend it to the Arab world. In 1961, when Eichmann was brought to justice in Jerusalem, Israel’s then foreign minister, Golda Meir, called for the Mossad to apprehend the Mufti and to sit him alongside Eichmann on trial in Jerusalem.”

As he boarded a plane to Germany on Wednesday, Netanyahu responded to the storm about his comments on Hitler and the Mufti: “I did not intend to absolve Hitler of responsibility for his diabolical destruction of European Jewry. Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution extermination of six million Jews, he made the decision.”

He continued, however, to press his point: “The Mufti was instrumental in the decision to exterminate the Jews. We must not ignore the importance of his role. The Mufti repeatedly suggested that the Jews should be exterminated. He considered it an appropriate solution to the Palestinian question.”


Even the Germans pointed out to Netanyahu that fault for the Holocaust was theirs.

"All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust," Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said when asked about Netanyahu's remarks, the Reuters news agency reported.

The Mufti died of cancer in Beirut in 1974.

[Rotobeast]

Well, I see a sense of brilliance (albeit, questionable) in his reasoning.
Germany would seem to never pose a threat again, there are many Muslim countries with moderate power that do not have Israel's best interests in mind, and there are millions of Muslims being transplanted across the globe.
If he takes the onus off of Hitler and puts it on a Muslim, there is more reason to scrutinize and be weary of the "ultimate enemy".

I don't know enough about that history to form an opinion, but from the standpoint of focusing a people on a potential threat (which, of course, I do not believe an entire religion to be), he's got their attention.

[GodHatesBengals]

Unsurprising. Netanyahu is an unhinged lunatic and a terrorist.

[Rotobeast]

(10-21-2015, 01:03 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Unsurprising. Netanyahu is an unhinged lunatic and a terrorist.

I concur.

[Vas Deferens]

(10-21-2015, 01:03 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Unsurprising. Netanyahu is an unhinged lunatic and a terrorist.

BDS movement is getting to him.

[StLucieBengal]

Well there was a connection between the third reich and the Muslim brotherhood. But it was started by Germany because of common interests of anti Jew.

The Muslim brotherhood did not want the Jews coming to the Middle East from Germany. But they did agree with exterminating the Jews on their end. The ones who escaped Germany .

Given that Hamas has Muslim brotherhood ties and beginnings, it's not a stretch to connect them to the Palestinians. So while bibi is technically correct, he is not adding the proper context, which IMO he should. We need to make that connection between the Nazi's and the Muslim brotherhood. And look what groups today the brotherhood controls now .

It's odd that anytime they are connected with Hitler everyone just shrugs it off. But mein kampf is the top selling book. In the Middle East outside of the Quran. This is a legitimate thing and it's too bad bibi doesn't give the proper background.

[Bengalzona]

Netanyahu has nothing to support this claim. An effort to dehumanize the Palestinians which is backfiring upon him, even among the Israeli people.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(10-21-2015, 01:03 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Unsurprising. Netanyahu is an unhinged lunatic and a terrorist.

So what did I miss?  What happened to GHB?

[GMDino]

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/24/holocaust_experts_shame_netanyahu_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Quote:This article originally appeared on GlobalPost.

Global PostJERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stirred controversy by intimating the Holocaust may not have been Adolf Hitler’s idea, and that in fact, he had been led down the garden path by the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Palestinian.

Germany’s response: No, no, it was us.

“Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews and Hajj Amin al-Husseini went to him and said if you expel them they’ll all come here. So what should I do with them? He asked. Burn them, he said.” These were Netanyahu’s words before the World Zionist Congress on Tuesday night.



If such a sentence were uttered by anyone but the leader of the Jewish state, one might be tempted to call it Holocaust denying, or at least a radically revisionist narrative of what happened.

But, Holocaust experts say, the interaction the prime minister described is a fiction.

“This conversation never took place,” said Dr. David Motadel, a historian and author of “Islam and Nazi Germany’s War.”

“The mufti was not involved in the planning of the Holocaust.”

“The Nazis had started to murder Jews on the eastern front in the late summer of 1941, long before the mufti arrived in Germany. The Holocaust had already started.”

The only time Mufti Husseini was received by Hitler was on Nov. 28, 1941, Motadel points out, when the Holocaust was already underway. The dynamics were also different from those Netanyahu alluded to. “There was of course a power imbalance. Hitler did not accept the mufti as an equal. The Germans had in fact a very patronizing attitude toward Amin al-Husayni. They used him as a propaganda tool in the hope to win over the Muslim world. But his influence in Berlin was limited.”

The German government was equally adamant that Netanyahu was mistaken.

“We know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own,” said Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert when asked about the remarks. “This is taught in German schools for good reason, it must never be forgotten. And I see no reason to change our view of history in any way.”

This is not Netanyahu’s first such claim. During a 2012 Knesset speech he referred to Husseini as “one of the leading architects” of the Final Solution. Experts on the Holocaust disagree.


“Netanyahu said incorrect things,” said Dina Porat, a professor at the Department of Jewish History at Tel Aviv University and the chief historian of Yad Vashem, the Israeli memorial to victims of the Holocaust. “These things did not have to be said. I am waiting and calling on the Prime Minister to come and explain himself in an organized fashion, not to just toss out a sentence, and to clarify what he meant and to recant if he can, because his words can absolutely cause damage,” she said on Israeli army radio.

Others were even more blunt.

“I would prefer not to comment other than to say that he is as bad a historian as he is a politician,” said Tony Kushner, a professor of history at the University of Southampton and the author of a number of books on the Holocaust. “If there was any justice in the world, he would leave both professions alone and do something useful with his life.”

Netanyahu is not alone in seeking to use the history of the mufti’s collaboration to connect Palestinians to the Nazis. Right-wing Israeli politician Avigdor Lieberman made a similar claim in 2009.



“The attempt to connect your political enemies to Nazism, the synonym for the ultimate evil, with the aim to defame and disqualify them, is not new,” said Motadel. “The entire debate about “Islamo-faschism” is part of this discourse.”

“These attempts are meant to defame Palestinians or Muslims more generally by connecting them to Nazism, as the synonym of ultimate evil.”

The incident comes in the middle of a wave of violence that has shaken the Holy Land in recent weeks. On the same evening that he spoke at the Congress, Netanyahu met with United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, who had come to Israel in hopes of calming the ongoing bloodshed. He said he understood Palestinian frustration but called on them to put down their weapons while saying to the Israelis that a crackdown will not end the bloodletting.

“The status quo is only making things worse. This conflict has gone on for far too long. We must, for the future of our children, turn back from this dangerous abyss, safeguard the two-state solution and lead people back onto the road towards peace,” said Secretary Ban on Tuesday.

[StLucieBengal]

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/islamic_fascism_the_nazi_connection.html

I can't copy the text to quote.... But this is a good read. Also ties into what Dino posted.

[StLucieBengal]