Did you just delete your post? You know, the one where you just tried to make fun of my suggestion by thinking the world scald was the word scold? Because I went to quote it and it gave me a blank post.
Own it, treee. I'm pretty sure it was something like...
(03-20-2017, 12:21 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "Rundle Won't Charge Prison Guards Who Allegedly Boiled Schizophrenic Black Man to Death"
...to...
"Rundle Won't Charge Prison Guards Who Allegedly Scalded Prisoner To Death"
....Yes, I can see how horribly wordy it would be to make it less click-baity.
They both convey that extremely hot water was used to kill a man. They were 30 degrees off. If you really want to call it click bait, that is your prerogative.
(03-20-2017, 12:08 AM)treee Wrote: The only incorrect portion of the title is by the technical definition of the term "boils", which doesn't seem that egregious considering it's used informally quite often. I understand what you're saying, but the reason I don't like calling it click bait is because the information actually is shocking. I mean how much can you really sensationalize a story as horrible as that? For a nurse to say your skin peels off at touch? That's pretty extreme.
If true it is shocking, the story itself being shocking is not what I mean by click bait. Matt described it well. By including "Black man" in the title they're click baiting. As has been admitted by everyone in this thread, racial issues (what many would call race relations and I hate that term) are huge right now and have been since Trayvon Martin. By enticing readers with the ethnicity of the deceased, especially in an article that does not assert that the actions described within were motivated by race, they hope to draw in more readers. I'm sure it works because if it didn't they wouldn't do it.
(03-20-2017, 12:25 AM)treee Wrote: They both convey that extremely hot water was used to kill a man. They were 30 degrees off. If you really want to call it click bait, that is your prerogative.
I get that you are too far in now to turn back, but calling the article linked in the OP click bait is exactly what it is. Prerogative has nothing to do with it. They cater to a certain audience. you've just joined the OP into being part of that population. The OP knows exactly what he was trying to do; unfortunately, you were willing ro try and give it validly
(03-20-2017, 01:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If true it is shocking, the story itself being shocking is not what I mean by click bait. Matt described it well. By including "Black man" in the title they're click baiting. As has been admitted by everyone in this thread, racial issues (what many would call race relations and I hate that term) are huge right now and have been since Trayvon Martin. By enticing readers with the ethnicity of the deceased, especially in an article that does not assert that the actions described within were motivated by race, they hope to draw in more readers. I'm sure it works because if it didn't they wouldn't do it.
Ok, call it click-bait then. I understand where you're coming from. I mostly just took issue with the thread being derailed based on one word.
(03-20-2017, 01:23 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I get that you are too far in now to turn back, but calling the article linked in the OP click bait is exactly what it is. Prerogative has nothing to do with it. They cater to a certain audience. you've just joined the OP into being part of that population. The OP knows exactly what he was trying to do; unfortunately, you were willing ro try and give it validly
You're the one who tried to take the validity from the article alone just based on the title. You literally have not commented upon it's contents in 8 posts now. Instead of derailing threads, how about you contribute to them? It's that type behavior which makes P&R unpleasant to participate in.
Edit: And I would even go so far as to say that you derail threads in which you have nothing of value to add, on purpose. It's a noticed trend.
If everything happened as described, then wow. i couldn't even come up with an illogical reasoning for that.
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(03-19-2017, 10:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Being as you are thinking: Why do you think it was in the title. why do you think the OP chose that particular article to link, and what do you think skin color has to do with the events?
Well I didn't see one yesterday about teens getting hormone treatments participating in the Special Olympics....but I was just skimming headlines.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(03-19-2017, 10:33 PM)treee Wrote: I must misunderstand the concept of click bait entirely, because substantive articles generally aren't considered click bait from my definition.
Many folks throw "click bait" in with any story that has a component they don't like. The headline didn't lie...but by mentioning race (agreed to get more attention probably) they can lump it in with articles about "You won't believe what Trump's daughter looks like today!" and "Obama admits to killing Michelle and replacing her with a robot!!"
It is also, as you have surmised, a convenient way to ignore the story despite it being completely accurate as opposed to the other examples I gave.
Honest to god I clicked the story because I wanted to know how they "boiled" someone to death in this day and age. But those with other agendas want to focus on the race of the victim instead.
Oh well....
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(03-19-2017, 09:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That line is about a hundred miles to your six, it was crossed long ago. Of course, to some on this board pointing this out somehow calls your integrity into question.
(03-20-2017, 09:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Many folks throw "click bait" in with any story that has a component they don't like. But those with other agendas want to focus on the race of the victim instead.
They're your words, not taken out of context. Feel free to copy the whole post, it won't change what you said or that you're as predictable as the sunrise.
Quote:A 101-page investigation released Friday concludes that corrections officers who locked a schizophrenic inmate in a hot shower at Dade Correctional Institution and left him there for nearly two hours — until realizing he was dead — committed no crime.
The report, issued by Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle, said the death of 50-year-old prisoner Darren Rainey was an accident, the result of complications from his mental illness, a heart condition and “confinement in a shower.”
At leastsix inmates claimed that the shower was specially rigged so that corrections officers controlled the temperature and were able to crank it up to scalding — or down to an uncomfortably frigid spray, thereby using it as punishment to control unruly inmates, most of whom suffered from mental illnesses.
But the state attorney’s two-year probe decided that the inmates’ statements were not credible. While the report cited significant inconsistencies in the accounts of inmates, it acknowledged the same was true to a lesser degree of the accounts of staffers, although there was “general agreement on a core set of salient facts.”
Sgt. John Fan Fan, and officers Cornelius Thompson, Ronald Clarke and Edwina Williams — the staffers involved in putting Rainey into the shower — did not act with premeditation, malice, recklessness, ill-will, hatred or evil intent, the state attorney said.
The report includes photographs, videos, dozens of witness statements, the medical examiner’s summary, prison housing logs, timelines and other documents. Milton Grimes, the attorney representing Rainey’s siblings, suggested the report’s release, late on a Friday, on St. Patrick’s Day, was meant to limit public scrutiny of the clear “inadequacies” of the investigation.
“We are appalled that the state attorney did not look deeper into this case and see the criminality of the people who were involved,” Grimes said. He said the family is disappointed, but remains hopeful that federal investigators still probing possible civil rights abuses will find justice. Grimes suggested that police and state attorney investigators gave too much weight to corrections officers’ testimony and not enough to the broader context — news reports and inmate grievances suggesting prison staff has been abusing inmates at the prison for years.
Others also questioned whether the case was thorough.
“A lot of evidence was tampered with because the people there who had an interest did not want it to come out,” said Harriet Krzykowski, a former mental health counselor at the prison who was not interviewed as part of the probe. Among the most controversial portions of the state inquiry is the temperature of the shower. The report gives no indication that crime scene investigators turned on the water to see how hot it ran. A prison captain, assigned as the environmental health and safety officer, tested it two days after Rainey’s death and found it to be 160 degrees, far greater than the 120-degree limit set by the state.
But her reading was dismissed as not indicative of the temperature when Rainey was inside.
Other than two prison officers, a nurse and a paramedic, no one was interviewed by police — including multiple inmate witnesses who had reached out to various law enforcement authorities — until two years later, when the Miami Herald began raising questions about the case as part of what would become a three-year probe into corruption in Florida prisons.
The final report does not address why the case was put on hold, or why, nearly five years later, the autopsy has never been released.
Dr. Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, was emphatic, however, that Rainey did not suffer burns of any kind, and there was no evidence of any trauma on his body, according to the state attorney’s report issued Friday.
However, a never-released preliminary report written the day of the autopsy refers to “visible trauma … throughout the decedent’s body.”
A nurse told the Herald early on that Rainey’s body temperature that night was so high it could not be measured on a thermometer.
One fact is undisputed: Rainey’s skin was peeling off his body when he was pulled out of the shower.
Since 2014, police detectives spoke with 26 inmates who were in the mental ward, called the transitional care unit (TCU) at the time of Rainey’s death. At least six inmates said that the shower had been used to punish inmates who misbehaved. And three reported that they themselves had been subjected to punishing showers. Some say the shower was used by inmates without any problem. Fourteen inmates were either too mentally ill to say anything credible — or they refused to talk to police altogether. Lew also discounted what the prisoners said because the prison nurses police interviewed claimed they had never treated — nor heard about — any inmates who had burns as a result of the shower.
But Krzykowski and others medical workers at the prison have told the Herald that they were pressured to keep quiet by both their employer, a private contractor, and by corrections officers who threatened to leave them unprotected when dealing with unstable inmates.
David Weinstein, a former federal prosecutor who reviewed the report for the Herald, said it’s clear that the evidence did not meet the legal standard required to charge any of the officers with a crime.
“If you want to buy the government-conspiracy theory that the state attorney never charges corrections officers because they are part of the conspiracy, you are going to say they twisted the facts to support their theory,” he said.
“But if you look at it objectively, I don’t disagree with the results that were released. The only person that says that Rainey was burned and scalded was one inmate — and when you compare that to the rest of the evidence, it’s not consistent.”
That inmate, Harold Hempstead, was an orderly in the mental ward when Rainey died. It was Hempstead who first raised concerns about the episode, writing letters and filing complaints with police, the medical examiner and the state attorney about Rainey’s death as well as other alleged abuses inside the TCU. He and other inmates and mental health staff told the Herald that state prison guards used forms of torture, including dousing prisoners with buckets of chemicals, over-medicating them, forcing them to fight each other and starving them. A group of officers at the prison that served inmates empty food trays, known as “air trays.” was known as the “diet squad’’ and they often preyed on inmates who were too ill to coherently report what had happened, prisoners said.
Around the time of Rainey’s death, another inmate hanged himself from an air conditioning vent, leaving a note sewn into his shorts detailing a litany of alleged abuses against inmates in the mental health unit.
“I’m in a mental health facility … I’m supposed to be getting help for my depression, suicidal tendencies and I was sexually assaulted,” wrote Richard Mair, 40.
The Department of Corrections never investigated Mair’s complaints, and the state attorney’s investigation in the Rainey case was limited to the facts surrounding Rainey’s death.
State investigators said they didn’t find Hempstead to be credible because his timeline was at odds with events reflected on a video surveillance camera. Also, Hempstead could not have seen some of the things he claimed to have seen because his window was covered with paper for part of that time. The document suggests he pressured other inmates to report things that didn’t happen, pointing out that many of the inmates’ statements were “inconsistent with the testimony of correctional personnel, all of the nurses, as well as the physical evidence.” Hempstead was relocated to another state Friday, yet undisclosed, through a prisoner exchange, making him unavailable for comment.
Prison officials said the timing was coincidental. The report itself is inconsistent in some areas. On page 68, for example, the investigation says that only one inmate, Halden Casey, gave information about being placed in the shower with excessively hot water.
Earlier in the report, it mentions two other inmates: Lawrence Smith said he had been put in the hot shower about a month before Rainey died and that he had reported it to the nurses. Another inmate, Timothy Sliders, said he had been left in the hot shower for 30 minutes, but he managed to avoid injury by standing outside the spray. Another time, when he mentioned the water was comfortable, a guard went into the janitor’s closet and turned it up hotter, he told police detectives according to the report.
Rainey, who grew up in Tampa, was serving a two-year sentence for cocaine possession and had been at Dade for about four months at the time of his death. He reportedly had soiled himself in his cell and refused to clean up, so the officers led him to the second-floor shower, despite other showers being closer to his cell.
Lew, the medical examiner, noted that people with schizophrenia have an impaired ability to compensate for “heat stress” and that this, combined with the powerful medication he was taking, could have contributed to hyperthermia and created a predisposition to cardiac arrest.
She attributed his skin slippage to as an event that happened post-mortem consistent with “exposure to a warm, moist environment” and the effects of changes during the early stages of body decomposition. Six inmates claimed that Rainey yelled that he wanted out of the shower. No member of the prison staff reported hearing anything. Julie Jones, secretary for the Department of Corrections, said she was appreciative of the effort by police and the state attorney. The agency remains focused on implementing reforms in the way it cares for mentally ill inmates.
“We will continue to integrate services which ensure these inmates successfully re-enter society and lead crime-free lives upon release,’’ she said. Following the Herald’s stories, Dade Correctional’s warden and assistant warden were forced out, and, later, then-Secretary Michael Crews stepped down amid political pressure. He was replaced by Jones. Other high-level prison officials have also left, including the prison agency’s inspector general, Jeffery Beasley — the system’s “watchdog” — who was accused by his own investigators of thwarting investigations.
Two of the guards identified as locking Rainey in the shower left their prison jobs, but were allowed to keep their law enforcement certifications. Roland Clarke is now a police officer in Miami Gardens and Cornelius Thompson works as a federal corrections officer. Rainey’s family filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Florida Department of Corrections in 2016. It is still pending. The U.S. Department of Justice is still investigating possible civil rights abuses in Florida prisons.
(03-20-2017, 09:38 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So predictable, so sad.
(03-20-2017, 10:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nice attempt to deflect.
They're your words, not taken out of context. Feel free to copy the whole post, it won't change what you said or that you're as predictable as the sunrise.
OK.
(03-20-2017, 09:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Many folks throw "click bait" in with any story that has a component they don't like. The headline didn't lie...but by mentioning race (agreed to get more attention probably) they can lump it in with articles about "You won't believe what Trump's daughter looks like today!" and "Obama admits to killing Michelle and replacing her with a robot!!"
It is also, as you have surmised, a convenient way to ignore the story despite it being completely accurate as opposed to the other examples I gave.
Honest to god I clicked the story because I wanted to know how they "boiled" someone to death in this day and age. But those with other agendas want to focus on the race of the victim instead.
Oh well....
"not taken out of context"
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(03-19-2017, 09:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: Just like when they talk about black on black crime. That's doubly racist!
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
(03-19-2017, 11:53 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Like including "boiled" in the title when water boils at 212 F at sea level.
He wouldn't be boiled to death, he would be scalded to death. (Admittedly neither are particularly good things to happen.) Boiled to death is much more sensational sounding, of course, so into the title it goes.
Yes! Great catch! New headline: Being who may or may not have been alive now may or may not be dead and elevation of body temperature may or may not have been involved.
Mmmm, that may be offending people in both the warmer and cooler camps though. What do you all think?
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
(03-20-2017, 01:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If true it is shocking, the story itself being shocking is not what I mean by click bait. Matt described it well. By including "Black man" in the title they're click baiting. As has been admitted by everyone in this thread, racial issues (what many would call race relations and I hate that term) are huge right now and have been since Trayvon Martin. By enticing readers with the ethnicity of the deceased, especially in an article that does not assert that the actions described within were motivated by race, they hope to draw in more readers. I'm sure it works because if it didn't they wouldn't do it.
No, no, no! We crossed that line 100 years ago. If the fake news would just stop using the word "black," the phrase "black man," and printing in black ink, we could all bathe in the post racial nirvana that is contemporary America.
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
(03-20-2017, 09:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Many folks throw "click bait" in with any story that has a component they don't like. The headline didn't lie...but by mentioning race (agreed to get more attention probably) they can lump it in with articles about "You won't believe what Trump's daughter looks like today!" and "Obama admits to killing Michelle and replacing her with a robot!!"
It is also, as you have surmised, a convenient way to ignore the story despite it being completely accurate as opposed to the other examples I gave.
Honest to god I clicked the story because I wanted to know how they "boiled" someone to death in this day and age. But those with other agendas want to focus on the race of the victim instead.
Oh well....
Sucker! They got you on the old scalded to boiled bait and switch! That's the oldest trick in the fake news book, and YOU fell for it! Loser!
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
Quote:Prosecutors in Florida have announced they will not be bringing charges against four prison guards who held a black, schizophrenic prison inmate in a hot shower for hours.
The memo, released on Friday by the office of the Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle, concluded Darren Rainey had died in part because of undiagnosed heart disease and suffered no scalding injuries.
It ends a nearly five-year probe into the death of the 50-year-old at the Dale Correctional Institution where he was serving a two-year sentence on a cocaine charge.
Rainey was taken to the shower on 23 June 2012 after he had smeared faeces on himself, the walls of his cell and his bedsheets, according to the memo written by Assistant State Attorneys Kathleen Hoague and Johnette Hardiman.
The shower, which was operated from an adjoining room by a corrections officer to prevent inmates from turning it off, was activated but Rainey refused to stand under the water, according to the memo.
Officer Roland Clarke told Rainey he couldn't go back to his cell until he washed off. Finally, Rainey said he would comply and asked for soap, which he was given, the memo says.
After starting to wash, Rainey said, "No, I don't want to do this," and leaned on a wall away from the water, Officer Clarke told investigators.
Officers continued to check on him, and finally after about two hours the decision was made to take Rainey out of the shower, but he was found lying face up in about 3 inches (8 centimetres) of water with no pulse and not breathing.
But the memo rejected claims made by another inmate, Harold Hempstead, that he had heard Rainey yelling and kicking at the shower door, saying "I'm sorry. I won't do it anymore" and "I can't take it no more" and hearing the guards laughing.
Ms Hoague and Ms Hardiman concluded Hempstead was an unreliable witness and cited contradictions with testimonies by other inmates.
It echoed the findings of Dr Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, who said Rainey did not suffer any burns of any kind and there was no evidence of trauma.
She attributed his death to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space.
She said schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.
Several witnesses said Rainey's skin appeared to be peeled back or reddish in some spots — one inmate claimed he looked like a "boiled lobster" — but an autopsy found this "slippage" was most likely caused by friction or pressure on his moist and warm skin.
This could have happened during efforts to revive him, such as chest compressions, or when officers carried him out of the shower initially, the memo said.
But a nurse told the Miami Herald shortly after his death that Rainey’s body temperature that night was so high it could not be read on a thermometer and a report written the day of the autopsy referred to “visible trauma...throughout the decedent’s body”.
Police, who began to examine the case in 2014 after an investigation by the newspaper, interviewed 26 inmates of the mental health ward of the prison, known as the transition care unit (TCU), at the time of Rainey’s death.
Six of those interviewed said the officers used the showers to punish inmates when they misbehaved by holding them in there and turn the water to scalding and freezing.
Three said they had been subjected to this treatment themselves, six said they had had no problem with the showers and 14 were too ill to say anything credible or refused to talk altogether.
The lawyer acting for Rainey's family, Milton Grimes, said in a statement that the family is "disappointed and heartbroken" no charges will be brought.
"This is not justice for Darren, for his family, nor for the mentally ill who have been subject to similar abuse and mistreatment," Mr Grimes said.
The prosecutors determined that corrections officers did not commit murder or manslaughter in Rainey's death and that taking him to the shower was appropriate under the circumstances.
"Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless," they wrote. "There was no evidence of any intent to harm Rainey."
No Charges Prison For Guards Who Allegedly Boiled Schizophrenic Black Man to Death
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