North Korea denuclearization

[StLucieBengal]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28755/breaking-china-makes-shocking-announcement-about-ryan-saavedra

Seems Trump’s tariffs put some pressure on China to help push NK to drop the nukes. Trump so far has seemed to have played this entire region as an expert.

Quote:BREAKING: China Makes Shocking Announcement About North Korean Denuclearization

Developing...

Ryan SaavedraMarch 27, 2018

KCNA/AFP/Getty Images
On Wednesday, China said that it secured a commitment from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un to denuclearize the Korean peninsula during a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In return, Xi reportedly pledged to uphold China's close relationship with North Korea during Kim's visit to China which lasted from Sunday to Wednesday, Reuters reported.

“It is our consistent stand to be committed to denuclearization on the peninsula, in accordance with the will of late President Kim Il Sung and late General Secretary Kim Jong Il,” Kim said, according to Xinhua.

“The issue of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula can be resolved, if South Korea and the United States respond to our efforts with goodwill, create an atmosphere of peace and stability while taking progressive and synchronous measures for the realization of peace,” Kim continued.

A new CNN poll released on Tuesday showed that nearly two-thirds of Americans approve of President Trump's plan to meet with Kim, as "The shift in tone between the White House and the North Korean regime seems to have eased Americans' fears about the threat North Korea poses to the US."

This is a breaking news story, check back for updates...

[Belsnickel]

So, did Ben Shapiro not tell you about how there has been activity at a reactor site in the DPRK, as well? Going to be a bit more interesting with that happening.

[*bfine32*]

(03-28-2018, 09:15 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, did Ben Shapiro not tell you about how there has been activity at a reactor site in the DPRK, as well? Going to be a bit more interesting with that happening.

Does it ever get tiring looking for the dark cloud behind ever silver lining? 

We've had more movement with NK the one year that Trump has been in office than we have in the previous 60 years. This is a good thing. 

[GMDino]

(03-28-2018, 10:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Does it ever get tiring looking for the dark cloud behind ever silver lining? 

We've had more movement with NK the one year that Trump has been in office than we have in the previous 60 years. This is a good thing. 

Sure...if we ignore all the other times they have promised to get rid of the nuclear program.

Teehee.

[Belsnickel]

(03-28-2018, 10:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Does it ever get tiring looking for the dark cloud behind ever silver lining? 

The irony with you saying this is rather humorous.

(03-28-2018, 10:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: We've had more movement with NK the one year that Trump has been in office than we have in the previous 60 years. This is a good thing. 

Not really, though. The DPRK is constantly trying to get a meeting with POTUS. A meeting like that helps to legitimize the head of the country and that is all they are seeking. They have said they won't test for the time being, but that's not a big concession. We know their program is still active thanks to images of activity at a reactor in their country. Now with the Kim-Xi meeting, it actually takes leverage away from Trump. The signal here, at least what the foreign policy reporters specializing in Asia say, is that any deal with DPRK must go through China/Xi. Now, instead of this being US/SK and NK talks, this is SK backed by the US and NK backed by China talks.

We are in the same place we have always been, except we are flying blind because of the extreme understaffing in our foreign services and a Diplomat in Chief that doesn't understand (or seemingly even like) diplomacy, taking advice from a new NSA that is known to try to manipulate intelligence to serve hawkish purposes.

[GMDino]

(03-28-2018, 10:21 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The irony with you saying this is rather humorous.


Not really, though. The DPRK is constantly trying to get a meeting with POTUS. A meeting like that helps to legitimize the head of the country and that is all they are seeking. They have said they won't test for the time being, but that's not a big concession. We know their program is still active thanks to images of activity at a reactor in their country. Now with the Kim-Xi meeting, it actually takes leverage away from Trump. The signal here, at least what the foreign policy reporters specializing in Asia say, is that any deal with DPRK must go through China/Xi. Now, instead of this being US/SK and NK talks, this is SK backed by the US and NK backed by China talks.

We are in the same place we have always been, except we are flying blind because of the extreme understaffing in our foreign services and a Diplomat in Chief that doesn't understand (or seemingly even like) diplomacy, taking advice from a new NSA that is known to try to manipulate intelligence to serve hawkish purposes.

What you are missing Matt is that the Trump supporter's memory only goes back to 2008.  And they all know Obama was a weak, apology making, fool so now that a real man (*swoon*) is in office this is the first time NK has been shaken.  

[StLucieBengal]

(03-28-2018, 09:15 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, did Ben Shapiro not tell you about how there has been activity at a reactor site in the DPRK, as well? Going to be a bit more interesting with that happening.

I wasn’t aware Shapiro controlled Reuters.

[*bfine32*]

(03-28-2018, 10:21 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The irony with you saying this is rather humorous.


Not really, though. The DPRK is constantly trying to get a meeting with POTUS. A meeting like that helps to legitimize the head of the country and that is all they are seeking. They have said they won't test for the time being, but that's not a big concession. We know their program is still active thanks to images of activity at a reactor in their country. Now with the Kim-Xi meeting, it actually takes leverage away from Trump. The signal here, at least what the foreign policy reporters specializing in Asia say, is that any deal with DPRK must go through China/Xi. Now, instead of this being US/SK and NK talks, this is SK backed by the US and NK backed by China talks.

We are in the same place we have always been, except we are flying blind because of the extreme understaffing in our foreign services and a Diplomat in Chief that doesn't understand (or seemingly even like) diplomacy, taking advice from a new NSA that is known to try to manipulate intelligence to serve hawkish purposes.

Ah, the tried and true "I'm rubber you're glue" defense.

And yes really.

When was the last time prior to 2018 that Korea marched in the Olympics as a unified team? When is the last time prior to the current administration has a sitting US President agreed to talks with NK?

There are signs of promise, but the usual suspects look to dismiss them to fulfill personal agendas. 

[StLucieBengal]

(03-28-2018, 10:21 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The irony with you saying this is rather humorous.


Not really, though. The DPRK is constantly trying to get a meeting with POTUS. A meeting like that helps to legitimize the head of the country and that is all they are seeking. They have said they won't test for the time being, but that's not a big concession. We know their program is still active thanks to images of activity at a reactor in their country. Now with the Kim-Xi meeting, it actually takes leverage away from Trump. The signal here, at least what the foreign policy reporters specializing in Asia say, is that any deal with DPRK must go through China/Xi. Now, instead of this being US/SK and NK talks, this is SK backed by the US and NK backed by China talks.

We are in the same place we have always been, except we are flying blind because of the extreme understaffing in our foreign services and a Diplomat in Chief that doesn't understand (or seemingly even like) diplomacy, taking advice from a new NSA that is known to try to manipulate intelligence to serve hawkish purposes.

Maybe the Democrats should stop holding up all the ambassadors.

[GMDino]

(03-28-2018, 10:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: When was the last time prior to 2018 that Korea marched in the Olympics as a unified team? When is the last time prior to the current administration has a sitting US President agreed to talks with NK?

There's a reason that no sitting US president has agreed to meet with the NK leader. but....

(03-28-2018, 10:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: ...the usual suspects look to dismiss them to fulfill personal agendas. 

Teehee.

[StLucieBengal]

(03-28-2018, 10:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Ah, the tried and true "I'm rubber you're glue" defense.

And yes really.

When was the last time prior to 2018 that Korea marched in the Olympics as a unified team? When is the last time prior to the current administration has a sitting US President agreed to talks with NK?

There are signs of promise, but the usual suspects look to dismiss them to fulfill personal agendas. 

There has been legitimate movement in the region. Like him or not, but trump is moving the needle.

[Griever]

(03-28-2018, 10:53 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Maybe the Democrats should stop holding up all the ambassadors.

republicans have the majority...

[*michaelsean*]

(03-28-2018, 11:10 AM)Griever Wrote: republicans have the majority...

I don't know if they are, but they can filibuster nominees.  

[StLucieBengal]

(03-28-2018, 11:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't know if they are, but they can filibuster nominees.  

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senate-democrat-schumer-blocking/2018/03/28/id/851178/

[Belsnickel]

(03-28-2018, 10:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Ah, the tried and true "I'm rubber you're glue" defense.

And yes really.

When was the last time prior to 2018 that Korea marched in the Olympics as a unified team? When is the last time prior to the current administration has a sitting US President agreed to talks with NK?

There are signs of promise, but the usual suspects look to dismiss them to fulfill personal agendas. 

The Olympics thing was great, but we were very publicly not a part of that situation. That was done in an explicit fashion without US involvement, likely as a deliberate slight. As for the sitting with the leaders, that is because summits for heads of state are usually the last step in negotiations. DPRK has never put forth enough good faith to get to that point, and they still haven't. The meeting being agreed to means nothing other than Trump not knowing how foreign relations works.

(03-28-2018, 10:53 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Maybe the Democrats should stop holding up all the ambassadors.

71 ambassadors nominated. 17 still awaiting nomination (12 nominated since new year, so not at all abnormal to not be confirmed yet). 39 appointments yet to be made to countries we trade ambassadors with. http://www.afsa.org/list-ambassadorial-appointments

Please, do tell me how this is all the fault of the minority party, again. The vast majority of open spots that exist in our government for Senate confirmed positions exist because no nomination has been made.

[Griever]

(03-28-2018, 01:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The Olympics thing was great, but we were very publicly not a part of that situation. That was done in an explicit fashion without US involvement, likely as a deliberate slight. As for the sitting with the leaders, that is because summits for heads of state are usually the last step in negotiations. DPRK has never put forth enough good faith to get to that point, and they still haven't. The meeting being agreed to means nothing other than Trump not knowing how foreign relations works.


71 ambassadors nominated. 17 still awaiting nomination (12 nominated since new year, so not at all abnormal to not be confirmed yet). 39 appointments yet to be made to countries we trade ambassadors with. http://www.afsa.org/list-ambassadorial-appointments

Please, do tell me how this is all the fault of the minority party, again. The vast majority of open spots that exist in our government for Senate confirmed positions exist because no nomination has been made.

its clearly democrats fault for trump not nominating people for positions....

[Belsnickel]

(03-28-2018, 01:41 PM)Griever Wrote: its clearly democrats fault for trump not nominating people for positions....

Indeed. Here is another site tracking this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-administration-appointee-tracker/database/?utm_term=.f945eba41d7f

I will say that Trump's nominees have taken a longer time to confirm than usual. Some of that is just partisan asshattery, but some of that is because he picks terrible people for the jobs. Out of the 626 positions that site tracks, 224 have yet to be nominated.

[StLucieBengal]

(03-28-2018, 11:50 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senate-democrat-schumer-blocking/2018/03/28/id/851178/

(03-28-2018, 01:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: 71 ambassadors nominated. 17 still awaiting nomination (12 nominated since new year, so not at all abnormal to not be confirmed yet). 39 appointments yet to be made to countries we trade ambassadors with. http://www.afsa.org/list-ambassadorial-appointments

Please, do tell me how this is all the fault of the minority party, again. The vast majority of open spots that exist in our government for Senate confirmed positions exist because no nomination has been made.

I addressed this with the link posted. Might help if you actually clicked it lol

Quote:The Wall Street Journal slammed Democrats for abusing Senate rules in an attempt to block political appointees from taking their posts.

The Journal, in an editorial posted Tuesday night, noted the Senate is "sitting on 78 nominees who have already been vetted and passed out of committee but can’t get a floor vote."

[Belsnickel]

(03-28-2018, 02:04 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I addressed this with the link posted. Might help if you actually clicked it lol

One, Newsmax is in the same league as DW, so not clicking. Two, I read the actual WSJ article it is about. Three, I just provided you actual figures that show the vacancies are primarily due to the nominations not being made. If you care to ignore facts, that's on you, but don't expect me to take any argument you make seriously if you do.

[*bfine32*]

(03-28-2018, 01:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The Olympics thing was great, but we were very publicly not a part of that situation. That was done in an explicit fashion without US involvement, likely as a deliberate slight. As for the sitting with the leaders, that is because summits for heads of state are usually the last step in negotiations. DPRK has never put forth enough good faith to get to that point, and they still haven't. The meeting being agreed to means nothing other than Trump not knowing how foreign relations works.

Trump agreed to meet with the leader of another country because he "doesn't know how foreign relations work"? 

Does anyone see the dark cloud behind the silver lining in this?