(11-05-2016, 11:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Watch the video again and see how quickly they respond to his request to settle down. If you still don't see that as disrespect than we have found a fundamental, but not unexpected difference. POTUS would have to tell me once to settle down.
I don't know why you keep bringing up the good thing he did; as I have said as much. Doesn't change how the crowd acted; nor does how Trump's crowd acts.
Seems like the "2 wrongs" fallacy that has dominated this election cycle. Welcome to the machine
One leader handled the crowds well. I don't see two wrongs.
But this is not a big issue, Bfine, and I don't have a problem with your take on this.
You have expressed yourself carefully, logically and respectfully.
(11-05-2016, 09:18 PM)Dill Wrote: 7 years of steady rise in employment--that wasn't done right? Saving General motors? Now people cannot be excluded from insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
I don't see any "destruction" looming on the horizon--unless Trump is elected. That will be George W. Bush X 10.
Rising employment? Your confusing people running out their unemployment benefits and creation of minimum wage & part time job growth which distorts the numbers. Saving General Motors? Doubt it. He gave them an interest free loan and they played it well against the douchebag. As for pre-existing conditions? For what Obama care costs, people can get cheaper insurance with those labels. Think about it? It's a scam and poor people fell for it. Unfortunately, the misery will double next year for most. Doesn't matter though, it's our fault as a nation we let a 2 party political system last so.long.
As a society of voters whom have been told who to vote for before we even knew who the candidate Is, was the doom of our process from the beginning. It will be awhile before someone who actually deserves to be there is elected.
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Rising employment? Your confusing people running out their unemployment benefits and creation of minimum wage & part time job growth which distorts the numbers. Saving General Motors? Doubt it. He gave them an interest free loan and they played it well against the douchebag. As for pre-existing conditions? For what Obama care costs, people can get cheaper insurance with those labels. Think about it? It's a scam and poor people fell for it. Unfortunately, the misery will double next year for most. Doesn't matter though, it's our fault as a nation we let a 2 party political system last so.long.
As a society of voters whom have been told who to vote for before we even knew who the candidate Is, was the doom of our process from the beginning. It will be awhile before someone who actually deserves to be there is elected.
According to the 11/04 Wall Street Journal, using Labor Dept. figures.
Almost all of the 11 million jobs added since the recession officially ended in mid-2009 have been full-time positions.
Romney said Obama's bailout would destroy the auto industry. He would have let General motors and Chrysler die, with no idea what to do about the wreckage. Now they are thriving.
But from you there is no credit here to Obama? You think those companies and their hundreds of thousands of jobs would be around to day if Romney had been elected? If so then in effect, you are saying that, in principle, anything Obama did for the economy and employment was a failure, even if it was by every economic measure successful.
You say Obama has started the destruction of the US and Hillary will continue it.
But I think that prediction has about as much validity as Romney's.
And due to his lack of impulse control, Trump will be even worse for the Economy--and foreign policy--than Bush or Romney.
(11-05-2016, 11:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Watch the video again and see how quickly they respond to his request to settle down. If you still don't see that as disrespect than we have found a fundamental, but not unexpected difference. POTUS would have to tell me once to settle down.
I don't know why you keep bringing up the good thing he did; as I have said as much. Doesn't change how the crowd acted; nor does how Trump's crowd acts.
Seems like the "2 wrongs" fallacy that has dominated this election cycle. Welcome to the machine
I'll just assume you've never tried to get an arena full of people to all be quiet at once ( short of a military setting where automatic response to a command is the norm I mean).
If it took the president a "couple minutes" and no one got in a fight or got sucker punched I'd say they were pretty damn respectful. And that the crowd was maybe 50x better and well behaved than than a Trump rally. But then at the Trump events the "leader" is telling the crowd to punch people and be disrespectful of anyone who is protesting.
Solid post though.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Rising employment? Your confusing people running out their unemployment benefits and creation of minimum wage & part time job growth which distorts the numbers.
I keep on seeing this, but U-6, the measure that takes into account discouraged workers and underemployed, has been falling at about the same rate as U-3, the official unemployment rate. So your statement is false. Also false because unemployment benefits have nothing to do with the rate.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Rising employment? Your confusing people running out their unemployment benefits and creation of minimum wage & part time job growth which distorts the numbers.
No. You are confusing right wing rhetoric with the truth. As Belsnickle pointed out U-6 has been dropping at about the same rate as U-3.
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Saving General Motors? Doubt it. He gave them an interest free loan and they played it well against the douchebag.
Again you are just blindly parroting what the right wing echo chamber had fed you. What really happened was the UAW and GM were forced to come to a new agreement where the future of the union benefits and retirement fund are directly related to the success of GM. Educate yourself instead of just blindly believing everything the right wing media feeds you. It would heva been a national disaster if GM had failed. We would have lost millions of jobs to overseas car companies.
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: As for pre-existing conditions? For what Obama care costs, people can get cheaper insurance with those labels. Think about it? It's a scam and poor people fell for it.
You have no clue what you are talking about before the ACA came into effect people could not get covered for pre-existing conditions ANYWHERE
(11-06-2016, 01:53 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: As for pre-existing conditions? For what Obama care costs, people can get cheaper insurance with those labels. Think about it? It's a scam and poor people fell for it.
The only scam going on here is the one being pulled on uneducated rubes by the right wing echo chamber that has them conditioned to believe anything they are told no matter how false it is.
(11-04-2016, 09:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do appreciate the gesture by POTUS. I will say the crowd was somewhat disrespectful of him though. It took the most powerful man in the world about 2 minutes to get the crows quiet enough so he could speak. I think he found out how hard it is to get open-minded folks to put out the torches once they get lit.
yeah it was a nice change of pace from the violence that trump tries to incite
(11-06-2016, 12:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: One more. A comparison what Trump lied about told his followers vs what really happened.
Keep thinking Trump will be a good, well, anything.
You know his supporters ate that up. Obama is this angry, racist "divider in chief", so of course he would yell at a white man protesting him...
Meanwhile a 12 year old boy with Cerebral Palsy went to a Trump rally this weekend to protest him. Trump ordered him out and the scum that attend his rallies pushed his wheelchair and kicked at it as security escorted him out. He went to an Obama rally the next day and was greeted by the President.
(11-07-2016, 12:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You know his supporters ate that up. Obama is this angry, racist "divider in chief", so of course he would yell at a white man protesting him...
Meanwhile a 12 year old boy with Cerebral Palsy went to a Trump rally this weekend to protest him. Trump ordered him out and the scum that attend his rallies pushed his wheelchair and kicked at it as security escorted him out. He went to an Obama rally the next day and was greeted by the President.
Jumping Jebus on a pogostick.
I was hoping you just made that up.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
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