Oh Germany.... You're doing it wrong

[StLucieBengal]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/11/child-bride-legally-married-sharia-law-german-judge-rules/

20 year old Muslim man marriage to his 14 year old cousin is upheld under sharia law.   

Disgusting in so many ways. 

Quote: Child Bride Legally Married Under Sharia Law, German Judge Rules

A regional German court has recognised as valid the marriage of a 14-year-old Syrian girl to her 20-year-old cousin, despite the legal age for marriage in Germany being 16. The case represents a landmark ruling, with the Federal Court set to adjudicate on the implications for the country as a whole.
Among the hundreds of thousands of migrants arriving in European countries over the eighteen months have been a number of underage wives, some as young as eleven, others already mothers. But although most European countries stipulate that a girl must be 16 to marry, the authorities seem unsure what to do with young bride migrants.

In what is likely to become a landmark ruling, the Oberlandesgericht Bamberg (Higher Regional Court in Bamberg, Bavaria) has this week decided that the marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 20-year-old husband must be recognised as the wedding has already taken place, was recognised as legal in their native Syria, and was conducted in accordance with Sunni marriage rites.
It had been asked to rule on whether the husband was the girl’s legal guardian in lieu of her parents, after the girl had been removed from an asylum centre where they were both living and placed in a centre for teenaged girls.
Appealing a previous ruling which had granted weekend visitation rights to the husband, the local Youth Work Officer, who had guardianship of the girl, requested the visits be restricted to three hours a week to prevent intercourse between the couple.
But the court disagreed. It said it could find no evidence that the marriage was a forced one, and granted guardianship instead to the husband.
It also refused to draw up a visitation schedule on the grounds that, as her guardian, he is free to interact with the girl whenever he likes. And in light of the fact that the marriage had already been consummated, it further recommended contraception for the couple.
The judge however recognised that the Federal Court had not yet ruled on whether underage marriages legally conducted abroad should be likewise recognised in Germany and that as such it’s ruling may be declared invalid, inviting the Federal Court to now come to a decision.
There are no official figures on the number of child bride migrants living in Europe, but the number is thought to be in the hundreds. Although in some cases the girls have been separated from their husbands and placed in child protection facilities, in others, the authorities have been content to let them remain with their husbands for fear of traumatising them.
“Minors seeking asylum are in a difficult situation where they have left their homeland, family and friends, and the partner they have travelled with can be the only person they know and trust in Norway,” said Heidi Vibeke Pedersen, a senior official at the Norwegian Directorate of Immigration.
But charities have countered that line of argument, pointing out the sharp increase in forced marriages in Syria and in concentration camps. According to Die Welt, just 13 per cent of marriages in Syria involved a partner under the age of 18 before the war. Now the figure is around 51 per cent.
Robin Classen of the Criticising Immigration blog has called the verdict a “scandal”, highlighting that the judge “openly and completely uncritically quoted sharia law, applying it directly to this case.
“Therefore ‘only a marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim is void,’ in the judge’s own words, because Islamic law forbids this.”
Mr. Classen argues that the case is a prime example of Germany importing a foreign culture through mass migration.
“With mass immigration has come not only the sort of terrorism seen in Paris and Brussels and the sexual offences of New Year’s Eve, but also a completely different set of social values ideas,” he says.
“Mohammed married his ‘favourite wife’ Aisha when she was just six years old. He first had intercourse with her when she was nine. This is not a minor opinion within Islam, within Sunni and Shi’ite Islam it is absolutely undisputed.
“Since Mohammed is considered in Islam as an exemplary and virtuous man, this moral assessment also applies to his marriages with several women and the child Aisha, which is why forced marriages of children are completely normal in both Shi’ite and Sunni Islam.”
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[Sovereign Nation]

(06-11-2016, 10:04 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/11/child-bride-legally-married-sharia-law-german-judge-rules/

20 year old Muslim man marriage to his 14 year old cousin is upheld under sharia law.   

Disgusting in so many ways. 

I agree that child brides are disgusting.  It is apart of their culture though.  The problem is that they are supposedly trying to flee their culture and go to a place that they will have more freedoms, yet for some reason they want to bring their culture with them and change the culture of Germany to be the same as the one they left.

[Belsnickel]

Truthfully, this is a very tough situation. Our morality says it is wrong, but they are coming and seeking asylum as a married couple from a culture that allows for it. How do you say to them that their marriage, a legal and religious marriage, is no longer valid? That's something any country would be hesitant to get into. Probably why this individual case isn't really news.

[GMDino]

(06-11-2016, 10:04 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/11/child-bride-legally-married-sharia-law-german-judge-rules/

20 year old Muslim man marriage to his 14 year old cousin is upheld under sharia law.   

Disgusting in so many ways. 

So now you are against religious freedom?  Color me stunned.

(06-11-2016, 10:19 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: I agree that child brides are disgusting.  It is apart of their culture though.  The problem is that they are supposedly trying to flee their culture and go to a place that they will have more freedoms, yet for some reason they want to bring their culture with them and change the culture of Germany to be the same as the one they left.

If only we could enforce just one culture....

[Benton]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10449830/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-who-married-teen-prefers-older-men/

The horror of those Germans.



And that was the first one that came up. Although I was surprised a person of any age could marry an adult without parental consent in Georgia.

But, hey, at least they're not Muslim.

[Sovereign Nation]

(06-11-2016, 10:42 PM)GMDino Wrote: So now you are against religious freedom?  Color me stunned.


If only we could enforce just one culture....

That is what I don't want.

Seriously.  I have enjoyed my time in Korea, Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, Iraq and Afghanistan.  I have very fond memories in each and everyone of these locations.  However, while I enjoy their cultures and customs, I also enjoy American customs and American culture and wouldn't want to change our culture. 

Let the Middle Eastern countries have their culture, but they need to have their culture in their countries.  Not bring their culture into ours.  Remember kid, colonialism is bad... at lest that is how the British are portrayed in expanding their empire. 

Or is this one of those "We can do this, but you can't!"  Like certain words?

[Sovereign Nation]

(06-11-2016, 10:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Truthfully, this is a very tough situation. Our morality says it is wrong, but they are coming and seeking asylum as a married couple from a culture that allows for it. How do you say to them that their marriage, a legal and religious marriage, is no longer valid? That's something any country would be hesitant to get into. Probably why this individual case isn't really news.

This is what I was getting at.  They are supposedly fleeing this culture, yet at every chance they get they try to implement that culture in countries where these beliefs are frowned upon.

Just like the Mexican immigrants that come over here wanting to embrace the "riches" that the United States have but then wave the Mexican flag while desecrating the Flag of the United States.

If they are so proud of Mexico so much then they should stay in Mexico.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-11-2016, 10:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Truthfully, this is a very tough situation. Our morality says it is wrong, but they are coming and seeking asylum as a married couple from a culture that allows for it. How do you say to them that their marriage, a legal and religious marriage, is no longer valid? That's something any country would be hesitant to get into. Probably why this individual case isn't really news.

I agree with you.  Which is exactly why I think they shouldn't be Coming west for asylum.   The cultures are too different.    They can easily go to places that allow and promote you to marry your underage cousins.  

[StLucieBengal]

(06-11-2016, 11:05 PM)Benton Wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10449830/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-who-married-teen-prefers-older-men/

The horror of those Germans.



And that was the first one that came up. Although I was surprised a person of any age could marry an adult without parental consent in Georgia.

But, hey, at least they're not Muslim.

Ah the old let's show the Muslims actions aren't disgusting....  By showing the same disgusting action by a non muslim.     

Guess what ... They are both disgusting.  

Just because you can go to these our places and marry a child doesn't mean you should bring that back to the west and expect anyone to accept it and the courts to cosign.    

Deport these people..... They are only migrants.   

[Belsnickel]

(06-12-2016, 12:32 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: This is what I was getting at.  They are supposedly fleeing this culture, yet at every chance they get they try to implement that culture in countries where these beliefs are frowned upon.

Just like the Mexican immigrants that come over here wanting to embrace the "riches" that the United States have but then wave the Mexican flag while desecrating the Flag of the United States.

If they are so proud of Mexico so much then they should stay in Mexico.

(06-12-2016, 12:51 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I agree with you.  Which is exactly why I think they shouldn't be Coming west for asylum.   The cultures are too different.    They can easily go to places that allow and promote you to marry your underage cousins.  

I can agree with you if they were attempting to get married in Germany. But that is not the case here. They aren't fleeing their culture, they are fleeing violence. They are in a new land and their culture is their identity.

[*bfine32*]

(06-11-2016, 11:05 PM)Benton Wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10449830/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-who-married-teen-prefers-older-men/

The horror of those Germans.



And that was the first one that came up. Although I was surprised a person of any age could marry an adult without parental consent in Georgia.

But, hey, at least they're not Muslim.

Fallacy: Two Wrongs Make a Right

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Description of Two Wrongs Make a Right
Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning":

1. It is claimed that person B would do X to person A.
2. It is acceptable for person A to do X to person B (when A's doing X to B is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A).
   

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because an action that is wrong is wrong even if another person would also do it.
It should be noted that it can be the case that it is not wrong for A to do X to B if X is done to prevent B from doing X to A or if X is done in justified retribution. For example, if Sally is running in the park and Biff tries to attack her, Sally would eb jsutified in attacking Biff to defend herself. As another example, if country A is planning to invade country B in order to enslave the people, then country B would be justified in launching a pre-emptive strike to prevent the invasion.
Examples of Two Wrongs Make a Right

1. Bill has borrowed Jane's expensive pen, but found he didn't return it. He tell's himself that it is okay to keep it, since she would have taken his.
2. Jane: "Did you hear about those terrorists killing those poor people? That sort of killing is just wrong." 
   Sue: "Those terrorists are justified. After all, their land was taken from them. It is morally right for them to do what they do." 
   Jane: "Even when they blow up busloads of children?" 
   Sue: "Yes."
3. After leaving a store, Jill notices that she has underpaid by $10. She decides not to return the money to the store because if she had overpaid, they would not have returned the money.
4. Jill is horrified by the way the state uses capital punishment. Bill says that capital punishment is fine, since those the state kill don't have any qualms about killing others.
   
   

[GMDino]

(06-12-2016, 12:51 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I agree with you.  Which is exactly why I think they shouldn't be Coming west for asylum.   The cultures are too different.    They can easily go to places that allow and promote you to marry your underage cousins.  

Like West Virginia?

All seriousness aside would like to see just an all white / Christian culture in America?  Seriously.  AN America where foreigners are kept out because of the culture and race.

Serious answers only please.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-12-2016, 07:26 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I can agree with you if they were attempting to get married in Germany. But that is not the case here. They aren't fleeing their culture, they are fleeing violence. They are in a new land and their culture is their identity.

They are going to Germany.   Being a German is their identity.   They choose to go there so you also choose to live as a German would....   Which isn't taking child brides.   

This should be an automatic deport.   They can flee to another country where it's normal to marry children.  

[StLucieBengal]

(06-12-2016, 10:17 AM)GMDino Wrote: Like West Virginia?

All seriousness aside would like to see just an all white / Christian culture in America?  Seriously.  AN America where foreigners are kept out because of the culture and race.

Serious answers only please.

I will settle for a culture where marrying/raping children is disgusting and vile.  

What hilarious is how much you defend thee people just because they aren't white. You seem to care more about skin tone than their actual actions.

They are child rapists. Although I guess this shouldn't surprise me... You all defended pedos and their rights to be disgusting perverts.... Why not let Muslims marry 10 year olds.

[GMDino]

(06-12-2016, 11:58 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I will settle for a culture where marrying/raping children is disgusting and vile.  

Then then one with no religion?

[StLucieBengal]

(06-12-2016, 12:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Then then one with no religion?

yes let's punish everyone because we have certain groups involved in rampant child rapes and pedophilia.   


How about start giving these people harsh sentences for raping children.  

[GMDino]

(06-12-2016, 12:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: yes let's punish everyone because we have certain groups involved in rampant child rapes and pedophilia.   


How about start giving these people harsh sentences for raping children.  

We don't even give harsh sentences for raping adults.

But how would the elimination of religion be punishing everyone?

btw, I started a new thread about this if you'd rather discuss it there.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-12-2016, 12:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: We don't even give harsh sentences for raping adults.

But how would the elimination of religion be punishing everyone?

btw, I started a new thread about this if you'd rather discuss it there.

Adult rape is not even in the same ballpark as child rape.  The fact you think it's comparable is hilarious 

[GMDino]

(06-12-2016, 12:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Adult rape is not even in the same ballpark as child rape.  The fact you think it's comparable is hilarious 

Oh, really?

So rape has different levels of evil?

Do tell.

[Benton]

(06-12-2016, 12:57 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ah the old let's show the Muslims actions aren't disgusting....  By showing the same disgusting action by a non muslim.     

Guess what ... They are both disgusting.  

Just because you can go to these our places and marry a child doesn't mean you should bring that back to the west and expect anyone to accept it and the courts to cosign.    

Deport these people..... They are only migrants.   

Deport people from Georgia? Just moving everyone out of Atlanta will cost billions. And what about Arkansas or Mississippi? And aren't those states in the west?

Oh my heavens, if little rock has fallen, then nowhere is safe.