Open-Minded Liberals at it again

[GMDino]

(04-26-2017, 09:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not sure if "we" are sure; as I said: your ilk most likely view it as a victory. But IMO feeling compelled to cancel a speaking engagement out of fear for your safety is a defeat for Free Speech.

People of "my ilk" would have said to let her speak. I've said it every time this topic has come up.

For example:

(02-18-2017, 01:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: For the record:  I felt the protests to keep him from speaking were stupid.  You have to let these people speak so others can see how hateful and dumb they really are.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2017/02/18/milo-yiannopoulos-makes-his-debut-on-real-time-with-bill-maher/98088264/



This guy is a hoot!  Stupid and thinks he's funny!  Let him speak...he's just hanging himself.



I wonder if he's going to fire himself?  Oh, right.  He's the EXCEPTION to all the other gays.  Right.  
 




Every so often a new "Conservative comedian" rolls out to show "the left" that they aren't really funny because they aren't inclusive of the "humor" on the right.

And then they're gone in a couple years because, well, they aren't funny and they try to hide their position/message behind "jokes" instead of using jokes to show the humor in the other sides position/message.

See? I disagree with what he has to say but believe he should be allowed to say it. In this case so I can point out how hateful and wrong I think he is.

Simple concept.

(04-26-2017, 09:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I must admit I have no idea why you posted the 1st Amendment; as no one said anyone's right were violated.

(04-26-2017, 06:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Another "victory" for the Left and defeat for Free Speech:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/ann-coulter-cancels-berkeley-speech-threats-violence-sad-175026347.html

Is "free speech" not a right?

Or are you saying that he rights were not violated...just the right to free speech in general when she wasn't allowed to speak?

Either way it's still wrong.

[GMDino]

(04-26-2017, 10:49 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: About as big of a victory as the pig farming industry has when they don't get to talk at a PETA convention. 

Who gives a shit?

Is there some important message she can not get out? Or is she just poking a hornets nest to get publicity? 

This is the new go to Republitard crybaby theme. Boo hoo Berkely doesn't like me... 

I made a similar comment.  

She only has the internet, her articles, her books, Hannity's show, etc.  It's like we'll never hear from her again!!! 

And also, good point that now she can use it as a talking point about the "open-minded liberals".  Fortunately people around here are smarter than that....

[GMDino]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/trump-rally-fights-protesters-237861

Quote:A pro-Donald Trump biker gang’s physical handling of protesters at a weekend rally could add to the president’s legal woes, with one attendee considering a fresh lawsuit as protesters already suing over violence at rallies last year plan to cite the recent events as proof of an ongoing pattern.



Members of a group called Bikers for Trump accosted multiple people at a Saturday night rally in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, sometimes using their bodies to push or physically detain them until police arrived, after Trump yelled “get him out of here” at one protester waving a Russian flag.

The skirmishes underscored the unique challenges surrounding a president who continues holding campaign-style rallies nearly six months after his election, eliciting equally charged fervor among his supporters and critics — and who hasn’t disavowed the violence that characterized much of his campaign.


The scene at the Pennsylvania Farm Show Complex & Expo Center on Saturday in some ways recalled a series of tense rallies during the bitter GOP primary at which Trump supporters repeatedly clashed with protesters, occasionally with Trump’s encouragement, including at a February 2016 rally where the then-candidate suggested his fans should “knock the crap out of ‘em” and then offered to pay any resulting legal fees.


“When he sees that the crowd is riled up and he says these types of things, he’s sending a message to his supporters,” said Richard A. Rice, a lawyer representing two protesters who are suing the Trump campaign, including an African-American man who alleges he was punched, kicked and called racial slurs by Trump supporters at a November 2015 Trump rally in Birmingham, Alabama. During that encounter, Trump similarly yelled “get him the hell out of here!”

Rice said the message directed at his client and the protester in Harrisburg on Saturday was the same: “He wants to use violence as a tool to suppress political dissent.”


The lawsuit from Rice’s clients, which is awaiting a judge’s ruling on motions to dismiss by the Trump campaign and the convention center that hosted the rally, is one of two moving through the federal courts accusing Trump of inciting violence by his supporters against protesters. “If we get past this motion-to-dismiss stage, I would certainly cite (the incidents at the Harrisburg rally) to show that it’s an ongoing pattern,” said Rice.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment. Neither did the Trump reelection campaign, which hosted the Harrisburg rally.


The responses from Trump supporters to his calls to remove protesters are a source of concern for the local police tasked with keeping the peace at rallies, as well as Secret Service agents tasked with protecting the president.


“There is never a situation where we want anyone to take matters of law enforcement into their own hands,” said Troy Thompson, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania Capitol 
Police, the agency that had primary responsibility for maintaining order at Saturday’s rally. “We had enough officers on the scene to handle whatever may have occurred, and it’s best to allow the officers to do their jobs.”


Thompson said no arrests or citations were issued to Trump supporters, and that there were only two arrests of protesters, both for disorderly conduct. He said he “wasn’t aware of anyone being detained or restrained” by Trump voters.


But videos and photos from the event show the bikers intervening in at least one instance, while a POLITICO reporter who covered the rally witnessed other incidents involving the bikers.


“The bikers are a great example of members of the crowd using Trump’s words as a call to action. In some instances, they feel like they are instructed to do so, and further feel like their actions to suppress a protest somehow indemnifies their actions,” said a law enforcement source who is in contact with Trump’s Secret Service detail. “Their actions are wrong, and oftentimes cause more harm than good.”


The Secret Service did not respond to a request for comment. Chris Cox, the founder of Bikers for Trump, declined to comment.


One of the protesters arrested on Saturday, a liberal activist named Ryan Clayton, was the one who drew the president’s ire by unfurling the Russian flag. As he waved it, he yelled that Trump was a traitor and a puppet of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Clayton said the bikers and other Trump supporters shoved him.


Local police arrived quickly and threw him to the ground. Clayton nevertheless commended their handling of the situation and said he was thankful they reached him when they did, “because it was getting kind of hairy.”


Even as he was being escorted out of the arena by law enforcement — which is when Trump bellowed “get him out of here” — Clayton said a member of Bikers for Trump continued “pushing me with his body as I was walking out. He was up against my back, literally breathing down my neck, in some kind of macho man way of exerting his monkey dominance.”

In another instance, an Indian-American man named Neil Makhija was cornered and shoved by the bikers, and taunted by other rally-goers who yelled “get him out.”
“I was trying to find the police because I wanted [the bikers] to be taken away, not me,” said Makhija, a Harvard Law School graduate who is active in Democratic politics in northeastern Pennsylvania. He attended a protest across the street before the rally but said he did not protest inside the rally.


When an officer finally arrived on the scene where the bikers had cornered Makhija, the officer told Makhija he could stay in the arena but suggested that he might want to avoid wading back into the crowd. “It was like, ‘This crowd was so uncontrollable that we can’t have you here,’ which goes against everything we believe in in a democratic society. It’s basically saying don’t participate because the mob could get violent.”


Makhija, who on Twitter called Bikers for Trump “professional thugs,” said he is considering suing, explaining: “I’m going to consult people who are well versed in this area of law.”


One member of Bikers for Trump who said he was involved in the altercation with Makhija denied any wrongdoing. “We stepped up to help out our brothers, our sisters,” said Dennis Egbert. “At no time will you find my DNA on him or any other individual.”


And Egbert suggested the bikers’ rally security work has the approval of both Trump and the Secret Service. “I’ve talked to more Secret Service people around Donald Trump than you’ll ever see,” he said.


Trump’s campaign staff last year did allow the group’s members to patrol Trump’s rallies, where they routinely could be seen conferring with members of Trump’s private security team about efforts to identify and remove protesters and suspected protesters.


At Saturday’s rally, Cox and other members of the group were given seats on the riser directly behind Trump — prime spots from which they could be seen in telecasts of the president’s rally speech.


Egbert was among a handful of veterans who joined Trump last week at the Department of Veterans Affairs for the signing of an executive order related to whistleblower protection.


He said that Trump — who has promoted the biker group on his Twitter account, touting their presence at his inauguration — has personally thanked him for his rally security work on three separate occasions. “If I was doing anything wrong, he would’ve told me,” Egbert said.


Yet, Steve Amitay, executive director of the National Association of Security Companies, said that the bikers’ behavior could lead to assault charges against them, as well as potential legal liability for the Trump campaign. “There could be some degree of negligence on the campaign’s part if they know that these bikers for Trump folks are assaulting people at the rally who aren’t posing any physical harm to anyone else.”


A federal judge late last month ruled that Trump’s calls of “get ’em out of here!” may have constituted “incitement to riot” at a March 2016 rally in Louisville, Kentucky, at which three protesters allege in a lawsuit they were assaulted by Trump supporters.

Henry Brousseau — one of the three protesters suing Trump, his campaign and the supporters who allegedly assaulted the protesters in Louisville — said the Harrisburg case fits a pattern. “I think it’s clear that it’s a call to action for his supporters,” he said.


Trump’s attorneys contended that Trump was calling on his security, not his supporters, to remove the protesters in Louisville. They also argued that Trump had a right to remove protesters because they were infringing on his freedom of speech, and that Trump’s calls to remove protesters are protected by the First Amendment and should not be considered incitement.


Lee Rowland, a senior attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union who focuses on First Amendment issues, agreed with Trump’s First Amendment claim in the Louisville case, arguing: “Trump has free speech rights, too.”


She said that same reasoning applies to the Harrisburg rally as well, adding that “Trump’s decision to use his bully pulpit to actually bully protesters and to rile up his crowds against them is morally despicable, but it is constitutionally protected.”

Just to add that since Trump has already filed papers to run for office (he did so on inauguration day) he can "legally" have protesters removed from his rallies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/07/president-donald-trump-uses-election-laws-to-push-agenda/101262288/

Ain't democracy grand? 

[*bfine32*]

Yet another example of the enemies of free speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/us/lucian-wintrich-uconn-speech/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

Quote:Lucian Wintrich, the White House correspondent for the right-wing Gateway Pundit website, was arrested Tuesday after a scuffle at the University of Connecticut.

Wintrich, who is also the Washington bureau chief for the Trump-boosting blog, was at the Storrs, Connecticut, school to deliver his "It's OK to be white" speech.
But many among the about 100 people who attended the event greeted him with chants of "Go home, Nazi!" and booed and interrupted Wintrich throughout his speech.
Chaos broke out when a woman approached the lectern and took a piece of paper from it, video shows.

[GMDino]

(11-29-2017, 09:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet another example of the enemies of free speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/us/lucian-wintrich-uconn-speech/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

Because they booed and yelled?

He was still speaking.  

No need for physical altercations though.  Always a bad thing.

[*jason*]

(11-29-2017, 09:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet another example of the enemies of free speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/us/lucian-wintrich-uconn-speech/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

Who is it that needs to be told that it's "ok to be white"? I've personally never been Connecticut, so perhaps there are many people there struggling with their whiteness. Things like this come off sorta provocative to me. It seems to me that these are the sorts of reactions that the speaker in question is looking for. At the same time, I'm not really into people going to an event like this to shout the guy down, and yell "Nazi go home" or whatever.

[Benton]

(11-29-2017, 09:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet another example of the enemies of free speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/us/lucian-wintrich-uconn-speech/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

THE woman shouldn’t have taken the paper. If the propagandist hadn’t grabbed her he wouldn’t have been charged with anything, so I take it the police think he shouldn’t have grabbed her.

If he wasn’t part of a n alt-right misinformation site promoting an agenda through false and sensationalized stories, he also probably wouldn’t attract as much negative attention. Free speech is a special thing. People who knowingly use it as a shield to pass off fiction as reality endanger that right for all of us.

[*bfine32*]

(11-29-2017, 10:00 PM)jason Wrote: Who is it that needs to be told that it's "ok to be white"? I've personally never been Connecticut, so perhaps there are many people there struggling with their whiteness. Things like this come off sorta provocative to me. It seems to me that these are the sorts of reactions that the speaker in question is looking for. At the same time, I'm not really into people going to an event like this to shout the guy down, and yell "Nazi go home" or whatever.

He was invited by a school organization that shares conservative views to come speak; so I'm not sure "he was asking for it" is a good response.

Although I do not agree with those that attend an event just to vilify it; I understand that is their right, but when they approach the speaker and take his property; they should be punished. Not the speaker trying to recover his property. 

Like many things: I do not see how this can be a partisan issue, 

[GMDino]

(11-29-2017, 10:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Like many things: I do not see how this can be a partisan issue, 

No idea.



Can't be the thread title or implication of the thread title.

[*bfine32*]

(11-29-2017, 10:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No idea.



Can't be the thread title or implication of the thread title.

Assuming you're a big fan of book covers, 

[GMDino]

(11-29-2017, 10:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Assuming you're a big fan of book covers, 

[*PhilHos*]

(11-29-2017, 10:00 PM)jason Wrote: Who is it that needs to be told that it's "ok to be white"? I've personally never been Connecticut, so perhaps there are many people there struggling with their whiteness. Things like this come off sorta provocative to me. It seems to me that these are the sorts of reactions that the speaker in question is looking for. At the same time, I'm not really into people going to an event like this to shout the guy down, and yell "Nazi go home" or whatever.

I used to live in Wilimantic, CT (which is right next door to Storrs (been to Storrs a couple times and it's CLEARLY a college town. If it weren't for UCONN, there would be no Storrs)). The demographics of that part of the state are like 45% white, 45% hispanic and 10% black and other. However, when I went to Storrs, I saw like 95% white people. It was kind of weird, to be honest. So, maybe, being in one of the most liberal state in a time where many liberals push the narrative that all whites are racist and other nonsense like white privilege, the speaker thought that a college that - to my eye the few times I went to Storrs - is mostly white needed to hear that "it's OK to be white". 


Just sayin'.

[Benton]

(11-30-2017, 06:27 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I used to live in Wilimantic, CT (which is right next door to Storrs (been to Storrs a couple times and it's CLEARLY a college town. If it weren't for UCONN, there would be no Storrs)). The demographics of that part of the state are like 45% white, 45% hispanic and 10% black and other. However, when I went to Storrs, I saw like 95% white people. It was kind of weird, to be honest. So, maybe, being in one of the most liberal state in a time where many liberals push the narrative that all whites are racist and other nonsense like white privilege, the speaker thought that a college that - to my eye the few times I went to Storrs - is mostly white needed to hear that "it's OK to be white". 


Just sayin'.

Eh, from the excerpts I've seen/read, he was talking about fat women, liberals wanting everyone to wear burkas and liberals being too weak to handle society (which, I gotta admit, is slightly funny that his stuff got stolen by a liberal). The only thing I've heard about hispanics or blacks was comments regarding immigrants being bad. It seemed more like the fictional stuff on Gateway Pundit and less about a pep talk for white people.

[Bengalzona]

(11-30-2017, 06:27 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I used to live in Wilimantic, CT (which is right next door to Storrs (been to Storrs a couple times and it's CLEARLY a college town. If it weren't for UCONN, there would be no Storrs)). The demographics of that part of the state are like 45% white, 45% hispanic and 10% black and other. However, when I went to Storrs, I saw like 95% white people. It was kind of weird, to be honest. So, maybe, being in one of the most liberal state in a time where many liberals push the narrative that all whites are racist and other nonsense like white privilege, the speaker thought that a college that - to my eye the few times I went to Storrs - is mostly white needed to hear that "it's OK to be white". 


Just sayin'.

Or.... maybe he just thought it would be a good place to "start some s**t".

Surprisingly enough, there are some people like that.

[*PhilHos*]

(11-30-2017, 06:46 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Or.... maybe he just thought it would be a good place to "start some s**t".

Surprisingly enough, there are some people like that.

True. And, honestly, that part of CT is definitely a good place to start some shit. 

[Bengalzona]

(11-30-2017, 06:48 PM)PhilHos Wrote: True. And, honestly, that part of CT is definitely a good place to start some shit. 

Personally, I never understood people like that. I know you probably agree with me.

[*PhilHos*]

(11-30-2017, 10:19 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Personally, I never understood people like that. I know you probably agree with me.

Are you ... are you trying to start some shit with me? :angry:

[GMDino]

Not gonna start a whole new thread about the guy.

Apparently he filed suit because this company wouldn't publish his book.  In response they provided the entire manuscript along with the editorial notes.

These were literally just the highlights of the comments.
There’s
so
much
more. pic.twitter.com/eMikiFwl2o

— Sarah Mei (@sarahmei) December 28, 2017

The entire thing is here: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=VhVQNjyOxzgx32b52YsZJg==&system=prod


And this isn't some liberal publisher.  

[Vlad]

(11-30-2017, 06:46 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Or.... maybe he just thought it would be a good place to "start some s**t".

Surprisingly enough, there are some people like that.

Actually there are a lot of people like that.. Liberal college students have a propensity to start shit, otherwise they would have stayed away from this speaker.

[Vlad]

(03-16-2017, 10:38 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yes. The same goes with saying that black physicists are better than white physicists. 

No its not the same. It has not been demonstrated or proven that black physicists are better than white physicists.
Its been demonstrated that blacks in general are better than whites at the CB position.