PFF grades week 1

[*Synric*]

(09-13-2021, 01:13 PM)Au165 Wrote: I actually put the Vigil on Mixon who was on check and release and decided to chip a blocked edge rather than working inside out and catching Vigil.

The Vikings Blitz 2 linebackers on that play. Mixon chipped the looping linebacker on the right (defensive left) but XSF was able to double the NT with Hopkins then peel off onto that same linebacker. On the left (defensive right) the weak side edge defender fell off into zone coverage and both Williams and and Spain doubled defensive tackle. Vigil timed up and excellent blitz right through the gap Spain just vacated.

The more I look at it i think you're right it's on Mixon chipping and then running a route instead of getting Vigil in pass pro...of course that could mean it was also on Hopkins and Burrow for not recognizing the Vigil blitz or not communicating it correctly.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-13-2021, 12:57 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Totally agree with the post on the sacks. 2 on Hopkins, one on Sample, one on Perine (yes, we miss Gio in pass protection), and a jailbreak miscommunication. PFF is wrong there.

But their ratings on D confirmed the eye test, that our DT play was fantastic. Hill, Reader, and Tupou in the top 5 squares with what I saw. Thought Ogunjobi was also good.

Our weakest spots continue to be Head Coach and IOL. Apple was rotten for a stretch in this one as well. Hope Waynes is back soon.

Even by the grades, that's false.

Hopkins is not, "IOL," he's a C. Our weakness (yesterday, anyways) was C, not, "IOL."

(09-13-2021, 01:24 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Just to add to Pally's PFF post. 2020 grade in ().

Burrow: 69.7 (missed a wide open TD & they dropped a pick). (75.1)
Mixon: 80.3 (65.3)
Chase: 77.9 (n/a)
Higgins: 76.6 (75.9)
Boyd: 65.2 (75.8)
Uzomah: 68.1 (58.8)
Jonah: 73.0 (70.1)
Spain: 79.7 (56.7)
Hopkins: 36.3 (63.8)
XSF: 59.6 (59.1).
Reiff: 62.2 (71.4)
Sample: not rated (61.4)
Perine: 57.4 (76.7)
Thomas: 57.6 (55.2)

That was tipped by a DL, so that shouldn't be considered as strongly.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(09-13-2021, 01:34 PM)Synric Wrote: The Vikings Blitz 2 linebackers on that play. Mixon chipped the looping linebacker on the right (defensive left) but XSF was able to double the NT with Hopkins then peel off onto that same linebacker. On the left (defensive right) the weak side edge defender fell off into zone coverage and both Williams and and Spain doubled defensive tackle. Vigil timed up and excellent blitz right through the gap Spain just vacated.

The more I look at it i think you're right it's on Mixon chipping and then running a route instead of getting Vigil in pass pro...of course that could me it was also on Hopkins and Burrow for not recognizing the Vigil blitz or not communicating it correctly.

So hard to judge these type of plays. Hard to know who it was on. Would have to hear from the players.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(09-13-2021, 01:39 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Even by the grades, that's false.

Hopkins is not, "IOL," he's a C. Our weakness (yesterday, anyways) was C, not,  "IOL."


That was tipped by a DL, so that shouldn't be considered as strongly.

Yeah, our Guards played good especially Spain.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

On D:

Hendrickson: 64.7 (72.1)
Reader: 75.8 (69.6)
Ogunjobi: 70.1 (53.0)
Hubbard: 65.8 (68.0)
L. Wilson: 70.0 (54.7)
Pratt: 75.1 (41.5)
Awuzie: 63.0 (52.0)
Apple: 44.3 (55.3)
Hilton: 61.6 (68.9)
Bell: 67.0 (71.5)
Bates: 69.9 (90.1)
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C. Sample: 53.2 (n/a)
Tupou: 74.5 (73.8)
BJ Hill: 77.4 (73.4)
R. Allen: 85.4 (62.4)
J. Evans: 51.3 (61.0)
ADG: 75.7 (40.7)

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(09-13-2021, 01:39 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Even by the grades, that's false.

Hopkins is not, "IOL," he's a C. Our weakness (yesterday, anyways) was C, not,  "IOL."


That was tipped by a DL, so that shouldn't be considered as strongly.

Of course Hopkins is an interior offensive lineman. He's a C. Interior offensive line is guards and centers. Geez, that is pedantic. Our two lowest rated offensive starters were two of our 3 IOLs. So yes, that is a problem.  

Did not see the tip on the Alexander dropped pick. But unless it changed the direction of the throw a ton, it was a terrible throw, right to him. One of two Burrow had on the day. 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-13-2021, 01:59 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Of course Hopkins is an interior offensive lineman. He's a C. Interior offensive line is guards and centers. Geez, that is pedantic. Our two lowest rated offensive starters were two of our 3 IOLs. So yes, that is a problem.  

Did not see the tip on the Alexander dropped pick. But unless it changed the direction of the throw a ton, it was a terrible throw, right to him. One of two Burrow had on the day. 

Not pendatic though; stating that the IOL was weak, lumps in X-man and Spain as well, but both were far from poor.

Anyways, I'll lay off.

[Frank Booth]

(09-13-2021, 02:08 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Not pendatic though; stating that the IOL was weak, lumps in X-man and Spain as well, but both were far from poor.

Anyways, I'll lay off.

They weren’t far from poor. Then again, they weren’t far from great.

They were ok. Which is ok.

Hopkins drags that interior unit down though

[*bfine32*]

Am I the only one who had to look up pendatic ?

[J24]

(09-13-2021, 01:50 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: On D:  

Hendrickson: 64.7 (72.1)
Reader: 75.8 (69.6)
Ogunjobi: 70.1 (53.0)
Hubbard: 65.8 (68.0)
L. Wilson: 70.0 (54.7)
Pratt: 75.1 (41.5)
Awuzie: 63.0 (52.0)
Apple: 44.3 (55.3)
Hilton: 61.6 (68.9)
Bell: 67.0 (71.5)
Bates: 69.9 (90.1)
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C. Sample:  53.2 (n/a)
Tupou: 74.5 (73.8)
BJ Hill: 77.4 (73.4)
R. Allen: 85.4 (62.4)
J. Evans: 51.3 (61.0)
ADG: 75.7 (40.7)

Front 7 played pretty Well! DT is arguably the strength of the team!

[RiverRat13]

(09-13-2021, 01:27 PM)Big Boss Wrote: The missed TD pass to Mike Thomas hurt.

Hurt Burrow's rating but not really the team.  They scored a touchdown on that drive anyway.

[Tony]

Drew Sample is completely useless....

[*pally*]

(09-13-2021, 01:50 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: On D:  

Hendrickson: 64.7 (72.1)
Reader: 75.8 (69.6)
Ogunjobi: 70.1 (53.0)
Hubbard: 65.8 (68.0)
L. Wilson: 70.0 (54.7)
Pratt: 75.1 (41.5)
Awuzie: 63.0 (52.0)
Apple: 44.3 (55.3)
Hilton: 61.6 (68.9)
Bell: 67.0 (71.5)
Bates: 69.9 (90.1)
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C. Sample:  53.2 (n/a)
Tupou: 74.5 (73.8)
BJ Hill: 77.4 (73.4)
R. Allen: 85.4 (62.4)
J. Evans: 51.3 (61.0)
ADG: 75.7 (40.7)

huge improvements from the linebackers and it showed

[*pally*]

Joe Mixon had 8 rushing missed tackles forced in Week 1

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[Frank Booth]

I’m gonna go back and watch the game but I’m pretty sure all of Mixon’s big runs came in 1st/2nd and 10 situations and longer.

Very unsuccessful with the 3rd and short type runs

Which would mean that run game isn’t as good as it should be

[Tony]

(09-13-2021, 03:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I’m gonna go back and watch the game but I’m pretty sure all of Mixon’s big runs came in 1st/2nd and 10 situations and longer.

Very unsuccessful with the 3rd and short type runs

Which would mean that run game isn’t as good as it should be

He had 127 and 4.5 average with a TD. He is the leading rusher this week. What more do you want? ? 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-13-2021, 03:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I’m gonna go back and watch the game but I’m pretty sure all of Mixon’s big runs came in 1st/2nd and 10 situations and longer.

Very unsuccessful with the 3rd and short type runs

Which would mean that run game isn’t as good as it should be

Well, he did pick up a few firsts before it got to 3rd down, so there's that. There's room for improvement to be sure, but overall, I'd say game 1 was better than any game last year besides Jax.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-13-2021, 03:50 PM)Tony Wrote: He had 127 and 4.5 average with a TD. He is the leading rusher this week. What more do you want? ? 

Likely the FedEx player of the week on the ground.

[Murdock2420]

(09-13-2021, 03:50 PM)Tony Wrote: He had 127 and 4.5 average with a TD. He is the leading rusher this week. What more do you want? ? 

Too not stumble in the backfield on 4th and inches.... 

[Frank Booth]

(09-13-2021, 03:50 PM)Tony Wrote: He had 127 and 4.5 average with a TD. He is the leading rusher this week. What more do you want? ? 

I get it

But 3rd/4th in short, the team was awful running the ball

There’s mainly good, but the bad is glaring.

Need to win those short yardage situations