POTUS mum on Kate

[*bfine32*]

I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant?

Here's what Megan Kelly had to say about the double standard:

Quote:  “…Kate’s murder has since exploded into a national debate on illegal immigrant, sanctuary cities in crime. With the White House ducking the issue of its own acquiescence in these city’s decision to flout the federal immigration laws which were duly enacted… A stark contrast to what we saw after Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, Missouri. A man we now know was attacking a police officer at the time of his death. His funeral saw three Obama officials in attendance, his death drew comments from President Obama personally. And the administration also sent in the DOJ and 40 FBI agents dispatched to Missouri after Michael Brown was killed.”

Kelly finished her discourse with a rhetorical question for the administration.

   “Where is the swarm of agents in San Francisco? Then there was Freddie Gray in Baltimore, a repeat drug offender who was killed in police custody. Here again his funeral was attended by three Obama administration officials and again the president spoke personally to Freddie Gray’s death. And again, sent the DOJ in to investigate. When Trayvon Martin was killed in Florida, the president spoke to his death which was later ruled to be in self-defense. But Kate Steinle, nothing. No comments, no swarm of FBI agents, no DOJ investigation, nothing. Why?”

I can only assume that Obama's daughter wouldn't look like Kate.

[GMDino]

(07-13-2015, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant?

Here's what Megan Kelly had to say about the double standard:



I can only assume that Obama's daughter wouldn't look like Kate.

Is it because they caught the guy immediately, he's in custody and charged and going to trial?

Or is it because there wasn't an uprising of white folks marching in the streets demanding justice?




But at least Megyn is sticking with straight news and not opinion.

[*bfine32*]

(07-13-2015, 11:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Is it because they caught the guy immediately, he's in custody and charged and going to trial?

Or is it because there wasn't an uprising of white folks marching in the streets demanding justice?




But at least Megyn is sticking with straight news and not opinion.

I'm not sure any of that explains why Obama has no comment of a young lady shot by an illegal immigrant that had been deported numerous times.

But you do make a good point that it could be because the "white folk" aren't out there rioting. When will they ever learn?

Your little meme is terribly offensive to a young lady that lost here life for doing nothing more than going for a walk (It sort of looks like her father when he was asked what her last words were as she was dying in his arms). But others won't find it so; because the girl that was killed was white.

[GMDino]

(07-13-2015, 11:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not sure any of that explains why Obama has no comment of a young lady shot by an illegal immigrant that had been deported numerous times.

But you do make a good point that it could be because the "white folk" aren't out there rioting. When will they ever learn?

Your little meme is terribly offensive to a young lady that lost here life for doing nothing more than going for a walk (It sort of looks like her father when he was asked what her last words were as she was dying in his arms). But others won't find it so; because the girl that was killed was white.

I'm not sure it does either.  Why do you think he hasn't commented?  Any ideas?

Perhaps you missed the point (not surprising) but when there are things like marches and tension the leader of the country will make a statement.  When there isn't he doesn't always.  See?  No...probably not.

Any person who loses their life is a horrible thing.  You meant to draw race into it.  You will will deny it, but it was your sole intent as you specifically said:

Quote:I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant? 

Followed by Ms. Kelly's comparison two black men killed...by police officers.

Apples...oranges.

But since you are just a troll looking to stir things up I shouldn't be TOO suprised.

Now I will wait to see how I was wrong and you were right and *I* am even more racist and unsympathetic to the dying girl's family.  I'm sure you can't wait to tell me.

[*bfine32*]

(07-13-2015, 11:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm not sure it does either.  Why do you think he hasn't commented?  Any ideas?

Perhaps you missed the point (not surprising) but when there are things like marches and tension the leader of the country will make a statement.  When there isn't he doesn't always.  See?  No...probably not.

Any person who loses their life is a horrible thing.  You meant to draw race into it.  You will will deny it, but it was your sole intent as you specifically said:



Followed by Ms. Kelly's comparison two black men killed...by police officers.

Apples...oranges.

But since you are just a troll looking to stir things up I shouldn't be TOO suprised.

Now I will wait to see how I was wrong and you were right and *I* am even more racist and unsympathetic to the dying girl's family.  I'm sure you can't wait to tell me.

Please try to stick to the topic instead of attacking the poster.

But to answer the question asked. I think it has to do with his views on immigration and the source reason why this guys was even on the streets in SF

I think Ms Kelly was pointing more to apples...Oranges in the reaction from the White House. Obviously color plays a role; however, the question is who is taking color into consideration.

Unfortunately your answer is if the white folk want to get an FBI investigation, compassionate comments from the POTUS and the DOJ on site they must riot and march.

Seems like all that shouldn't be required; however, sadly you are most likely right.

[GMDino]

(07-13-2015, 11:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Please try to stick to the topic instead of attacking the poster.

But to answer the question asked. I think it has to do with his views on immigration and the source reason why this guys was even on the streets in SF

I think Ms Kelly was pointing more to apples...Oranges in the reaction from the White House. Obviously color plays a role; however, the question is who is taking color into consideration.

Unfortunately your answer is if the white folk want to get an FBI investigation, compassionate comments from the POTUS and the DOJ on site they must riot and march.

Seems like all that shouldn't be required; however, sadly you are most likely right.

Sorry.  I call a spade a spade.  And a troll a troll.

Well if you knew...why ask?

Is just a shame more folks don't speak up for the white people.

And again they have the suspect, they have the weapon, they have charges and already had a hearing.

You missed the point even after I explained it.

Big surprise.

Done.

[treee]

Oh wow. I'm so surprised Bfine. You're telling me that BOTH parties have agendas? Wow. That's some world shattering stuff right there. Good work.

[*bfine32*]

(07-14-2015, 12:39 AM)treee Wrote: Oh wow. I'm so surprised Bfine. You're telling me that BOTH parties have agendas? Wow. That's some world shattering stuff right there. Good work.

No doubt the POTUS should stick to his biased agenda.

What agenda has the right had in these recent events?

[Benton]

Maybe he isn't trying to exploit a woman's death for personal gain when there isn't any other issue?

[*bfine32*]

(07-14-2015, 12:52 AM)Benton Wrote: Maybe he isn't trying to exploit a woman's death for personal gain when there isn't any other issue?

For real? The guy who killed her was a 7 time felon that had been deported 5 times and should not have even been out on the streets; but POTUS is being "stand up" by not exploiting this woman's death for personal gain?

The hypocrisy around here is often maddening.

What was his "personal gain" in the Travon Martin case?

[treee]

(07-14-2015, 12:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt the POTUS should stick to his biased agenda.

What agenda has the right had in these recent events?

Lately it's been trying to steal the created narrative (and yes, it is a narrative) of the plight of the minority. An even keeled person can obviously see that the focus of most "left" media coverage has been injustice to minorities. It's very obviously intentionally focused on. And obviously the "right" takes this agenda personally. It seems almost like a paranoia of white persecution. Either way, I wouldn't necessarily say that these (left and right) media conglomerates are colluding, but at the very least it's a toxic symbiotic relationship that creates disharmony. 

Edit: To insert my personal opinion, when I truly examine the narrative that the media on both sides of the aisle push, the right seems more malevolent. While I don't necessarily disagree with some of the staple principles of the conservative (mainly an inherent distrust of hierarchical establishments, though not as extremely as today's conservatives do), the media on the right comes across as petty and based in fear. To me, it doesn't make sense that socialism is so strongly fought by the right when you look at it in terms of an increasingly automated production of goods and services. A purely unregulated market combined with exponential technological progress will lead to an elimination of unskilled (and even eventually skilled) labor. This will result in a loss of income for workers but the revenue will still be the the same (or even increase) for these companies. It seems obvious to me that this is a recipe for an oligarchal society unless we institute some type of intervention.

[fredtoast]

(07-13-2015, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant?

Here's what Megan Kelly had to say about the double standard:



I can only assume that Obama's daughter wouldn't look like Kate.

Let's see.  Three cases where there was a long delay in charging someone with the murder that resulted in riots in the street demanding justice.

Compare that to a murder where the killer is charged immediately.



And the ONLY difference you can see is the color of the skin.  Everything else about these cases look exactly alike to you.  Thanks for showing the ONLY issue you look at.  Poor white boy's victim card was burning a hole in his pocket so fast that he didn't have time to look at any of the obvious differences.

 

[GMDino]

(07-14-2015, 01:02 AM)bfine32 Wrote: For real? The guy who killed her was a 7 time felon that had been deported 5 times and should not have even been out on the streets; but POTUS is being "stand up" by not exploiting this woman's death for personal gain?

The hypocrisy around here is often maddening.

What was his "personal gain" in the Travon Martin case?

http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-pier-murder-suspects-criminal-history-004651206.html

Quote:May 1991: Convicted in Arizona of inhaling vapors. Sentenced to a month in jail.

—1993: Convicted three times in Washington state on felony drug charges. Sentenced to about 14 months in jail.
—June 1994: A U.S. immigration judge deports Sanchez to Mexico.
—July 1994: Sentenced to 90 days in jail after Arizona court revokes his probation.
—December 1995: Arrested on a $20 marijuana buy in San Francisco. A judge issued a $5,000 bench warrant for his arrest when Sanchez didn't show up in court.
—July 1996: Convicted in Washington of felony possession of heroin. Sentenced to 12 months and one day in prison.
—April 1997: Deported to Mexico.
—January 1998: Arrested by U.S. Border Patrol and deported to Mexico in February.
—February 1998: Arrested by Border Patrol and sentenced to more than five years in federal prison.
—March 2003: Deported to Mexico.
—July 2003: Arrested by Border Patrol and sentenced to more than four years in prison.
—June 2009: Deported to Mexico after completing sentence.
—September 2009: Arrested in Texas, where he claimed to be a U.S. citizen born in Arizona. Sentenced to nearly four years in prison.
—March 26, 2015: Released to San Francisco Sheriff's Department on a 1995 drug charge.
—March 27: Immigration and Customs Enforcement issues a "detainer" on Sanchez, requesting the sheriff's office hold him for an extra 48 hours if they decide to release him. San Francisco district attorney's office decides to drop the case because it is old and minor.
—April 15: Sanchez is released by sheriff. There are no active arrest warrants or court orders requiring the sheriff's office to keep him, they say. ICE is not notified.
—July 1: Steinle dies from gunshot wounds while walking along Pier 14 in San Francisco with her father. Sanchez is arrested.
—July 6: The district attorney's office charges Sanchez with murder.
—July 7: Sanchez pleads not guilty.

Four time.  For buying drugs.  Nothing violent.

But he has brown skin...so please, continue.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-14-2015, 01:16 AM)treee Wrote: Lately it's been trying to steal the created narrative (and yes, it is a narrative) of the plight of the minority. An even keeled person can obviously see that the focus of most "left" media coverage has been injustice to minorities. It's very obviously intentionally focused on. And obviously the "right" takes this agenda personally. It seems almost like a paranoia of white persecution. Either way, I wouldn't necessarily say that these (left and right) media conglomerates are colluding, but at the very least it's a toxic symbiotic relationship that creates disharmony. 

Edit: To insert my personal opinion, when I truly examine the narrative that the media on both sides of the aisle push, the right seems more malevolent. While I don't necessarily disagree with some of the staple principles of the conservative (mainly an inherent distrust of hierarchical establishments, though not as extremely as today's conservatives do), the media on the right comes across as petty and based in fear. To me, it doesn't make sense that socialism is so strongly fought by the right when you look at it in terms of an increasingly automated production of goods and services. A purely unregulated market combined with exponential technological progress will lead to an elimination of unskilled (and even eventually skilled) labor. This will result in a loss of income for workers but the revenue will still be the the same (or even increase) for these companies. It seems obvious to me that this is a recipe for an oligarchal society unless we institute some type of intervention.

Thanks Dennis!

[Rotobeast]

(07-13-2015, 10:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant?

Here's what Megan Kelly had to say about the double standard:



I can only assume that Obama's daughter wouldn't look like Kate.

Quite honestly.....(and I think even the heaviest Obama supporters would agree if their integrity was important to them) there is next to zero political gain available, should he address it.
He's only willing to commit himself to anything that adds "points" to the Democratic Party's agenda (hence the rainbow white house). 
To be fair, that seems to be most politicians anymore.

 

[Benton]

(07-14-2015, 01:02 AM)bfine32 Wrote: For real? The guy who killed her was a 7 time felon that had been deported 5 times and should not have even been out on the streets; but POTUS is being "stand up" by not exploiting this woman's death for personal gain?

The hypocrisy around here is often maddening.

What was his "personal gain" in the Travon Martin case?

For real.

One had a process that was altered which led to concerns that the investigation was being done improperly to cover up any wrong doing by the officer. In was exacerbated by conflicting witness reports. So the justice department got involved to make sure the police stopped arresting journalists and detaining protesters concerned over how the investigation was being conducted — in short, the police were trying to take away 1st amendment rights.

And you're comparing that with a drug offender who got high, shot an innocent woman, was arrested, admitted guilt? Outside of where the gun came from, it seems fairly straight forward, there aren't any conflicting reports, there's no apparent mishandling of evidence or reports.

I agree about the hypocrisy, though.

[*bfine32*]

(07-14-2015, 01:39 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Let's see.  Three cases where there was a long delay in charging someone with the murder that resulted in riots in the street demanding justice.

Compare that to a murder where the killer is charged immediately.



And the ONLY difference you can see is the color of the skin.  Everything else about these cases look exactly alike to you.  Thanks for showing the ONLY issue you look at.  Poor white boy's victim card was burning a hole in his pocket so fast that he didn't have time to look at any of the obvious differences.

 

Nope not the ONLY differenece I see.  I see other differences. Such as:
 
Obama's comments of Trayvon Martin’s death:

Quote:"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said, underscoring how the issue affected him on a personal, and not just a political or legal, level. "I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?
 
 
Obama's comments of Michael Brown’s death:

Quote:The death of Michael Brown is heartbreaking, and Michelle and I send our deepest condolences to his family and his community at this very difficult time. As Attorney General Holder has indicated, the Department of Justice is investigating the situation along with local officials, and they will continue to direct resources to the case as needed.

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?


Obama’s comments on Freddy Gray’s death:

Quote:“This has been going on for a long time,” the President said. “This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new. The good news is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness, because of social media and video cameras and so forth, that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities and we have to pay attention to it.”

Any suggestion from the Whitehouse that crime by illegal immigrants is “not new”?


Of course there are other differences besides the reaction from the Whitehouse. For instance the criminal record of the victims:
Freddy Gray

Quote:• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
 • December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

 
Kate

Quote:….

 
There is also a difference of what the victims were doing when they were killed:

Quote:Michael Brown- Assaulting a Police Officer

Quote:Trayvon Gray- Attacking a member of a Neighborhood watch
Kate- Walking at the park with her father.

 
There are numerous other issues, such as representatives sent to the funerals and the criminal records of the suspects in each case; however, it is really pointless to bring up and many will attempt to paint you as a racist, as demonstrated by many here.
There is a chance the Whitehouse will ask for an apology from the Steinle family for being white and having issue with their daughter being killed by an illegal immigrant. Because it appears that many here think that is reason enough not to address the issue.

[*bfine32*]

(07-14-2015, 01:37 PM)Benton Wrote: For real.

One had a process that was altered which led to concerns that the investigation was being done improperly to cover up any wrong doing by the officer. In was exacerbated by conflicting witness reports. So the justice department got involved to make sure the police stopped arresting journalists and detaining protesters concerned over how the investigation was being conducted — in short, the police were trying to take away 1st amendment rights.

And you're comparing that with a drug offender who got high, shot an innocent woman, was arrested, admitted guilt? Outside of where the gun came from, it seems fairly straight forward, there aren't any conflicting reports, there's no apparent mishandling of evidence or reports.


I agree about the hypocrisy, though.

Of course there is question as to whether the man that shot Kate should have even been in the Country; let alone free on the streets. DOJ and/or POTUS should probaly just ignore this issue. BTW, the man that shot Kate has pleaded Not guilty to murder.

The hypocrisy has also been outlined in the sympathetic tone taken by the Whitehouse in each instance. 

Why the strong message from the Whitehouse on the South Carolina shootings?

At least we agree on the hypocrisy both here and at the Whitehouse.

[Rotobeast]

(07-14-2015, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nope not the ONLY differenece I see.  I see other differences. Such as:
 
Obama's comments of Trayvon Martin’s death:

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?
 
 
Obama's comments of Michael Brown’s death:

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?


Obama’s comments on Freddy Gray’s death:

Any suggestion from the Whitehouse that crime by illegal immigrants is “not new”?


Of course there are other differences besides the reaction from the Whitehouse. For instance the criminal record of the victims:
Freddy Gray
 
Kate

 
There is also a difference of what the victims were doing when they were killed:
 
There are numerous other issues, such as representatives sent to the funerals and the criminal records of the suspects in each case; however, it is really pointless to bring up and many will attempt to paint you as a racist, as demonstrated by many here.
There is a chance the Whitehouse will ask for an apology from the Steinle family for being white and having issue with their daughter being killed by an illegal immigrant. Because it appears that many here think that is reason enough not to address the issue.

C'mon man...... check your privilege !


 

[GMDino]

(07-14-2015, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nope not the ONLY differenece I see.  I see other differences. Such as:
 
Obama's comments of Trayvon Martin’s death:

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?
 
 
Obama's comments of Michael Brown’s death:

 
Any compassion or assurances of justice to Kate’s family?


Obama’s comments on Freddy Gray’s death:

Any suggestion from the Whitehouse that crime by illegal immigrants is “not new”?


Of course there are other differences besides the reaction from the Whitehouse. For instance the criminal record of the victims:
Freddy Gray
 
Kate

 
There is also a difference of what the victims were doing when they were killed:
 
There are numerous other issues, such as representatives sent to the funerals and the criminal records of the suspects in each case; however, it is really pointless to bring up and many will attempt to paint you as a racist, as demonstrated by many here.
There is a chance the Whitehouse will ask for an apology from the Steinle family for being white and having issue with their daughter being killed by an illegal immigrant. Because it appears that many here think that is reason enough not to address the issue.

(07-14-2015, 01:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course there is question as to whether the man that shot Kate should have even been in the Country; let alone free on the streets. DOJ and/or POTUS should probaly just ignore this issue. BTW, the man that shot Kate has pleaded Not guilty to murder.

The hypocrisy has also been outlined in the sympathetic tone taken by the Whitehouse in each instance. 

Why the strong message from the Whitehouse on the South Carolina shootings?

At least we agree on the hypocrisy both here and at the Whitehouse.

And for ALL of that...you only said this:

Quote:I wonder why he is being so silent about about a white girl being shot (suspected) by an illegal immigrant? 

Or is that not what you meant?