Paul Ryan says American women need to have more babies

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(12-15-2017, 01:56 PM)Nately120 Wrote: #1 who raised all these lazy kids?  
#2 aren't we all crap compared to the WWII generation?
#3 if newer generations keep getting worse why are they being pressured to get married and have a bunch of kids?

#1 the Liberal Public Schools who have been raising kids since the early 70's
#2 the lack of testosterone 
#3 the United States will always need stupid people to vote Democrat

[Bengalzona]

(12-15-2017, 04:48 PM)Benton Wrote: The problem isn't that we don't have enough people willing to work, or enough jobs. We don't have enough businesses willing to pay a living wage. Making more babies doesn't really help that.

Yup.

First, pensions went by the wayside. Then wages failed to keep up with cost-of-living changes and the two-income family became a necessity. All the while, jobs are shipped overseas for a cheaper labor pool. Full-time jobs gave way to part-time jobs which are now giving way to the "gig economy". Now, women are told to have more babies to fill a perceived lack of workers. All the while CEO's and corporations have record profits.

But, that is all okay. This is what the majority voted for, so this is what they want. An inevitable march towards the new feudalism. Prepare to bow down and kiss your new lords' arses (or whatever else they want you to kiss), as they have worked harder than thou and are therefore more worthy of praise and worship.

I think I'll invest in knee-pad futures. Maybe then I can become one of these new lords too!

[Bengalzona]

(12-15-2017, 05:46 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: #3 the United States will always need stupid people to vote Democrat

Interesting the a GOP lawmaker would be wanting that, Some sort of Freudian guilt thing, you think?

[Mike M (the other one)]

Chiming in here, he's going about it all wrong.

If he wants women to have more babies, and we need a stronger work force, then we need to have healthcare for all, public college for all (you know we need those skilled workers) and to cut back on immigrant workers into certain fields when their is more graduates than jobs available. Only allow jobs to be filled by immigrants when there is actually a shortage in a field.
For example, right now we have an abundance of STEM graduates that can't find a job in their fields, and the STEM field happens to have the highest number of immigrant workers in it. Talk about shooting your fellow country men in the foot. We can't all be mega rich liars... I mean Politicians. BTW, Ryan is the biggest ***** I know. Can't stand him.

[Yojimbo]

Sure wish I could figure out how to just insert an image while posting from my phone. Hopefully the image opens to full-size. It’s a chart of where new income growth during economic expansion periods goes and there’s a flip from the majority going to the bottom 90% to a majority going to top 10% in the mid 70’s. Probably just a coincidence that the SCOTUS decided money equals free speech during that same time.

[Au165]

Seriously, if you wanted more people to have kids guarantee paid paternity leave and you'd be surprised how quickly it happens.

[StLucieBengal]

We should be having more of a focus on family in this country. Including having children and getting married.

[*Nately120*]

(12-18-2017, 10:41 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We should be having more of a focus on family in this country.  Including having children and getting married.

How does a country go about doing that?

[CKwi88]

(12-18-2017, 12:12 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How does a country go about doing that?

Take away easy access to birth control, abortions and sexual education materials?

Couldn't imagine anyone wanting to do that....right?

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 12:22 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Take away easy access to birth control, abortions and sexual education materials?

Couldn't imagine anyone wanting to do that....right?

How about just telling children that it’s ok to get married and start a family. That those careers are as important or more than anything you learn at University.

That would be a start.

[*Nately120*]

(12-18-2017, 12:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: How about just telling children that it’s ok to get married and start a family.   That those careers are as important or more than anything you learn at University.    

That would be a start.

So are you saying higher education hampers marriage and birthrates because it's a waste of time that could be spent working/marrying/breeding, or because high-education brainwashes you into thinking it isn't important to get married and breed...or both?

[CKwi88]

(12-18-2017, 12:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: How about just telling children women that it’s ok preferable to get married and start a family.   That those careers are as important or more than anything you learn at University.    

That would be a start.

Pretty sure that's what you meant/wanted to type.

It's been addressed elsewhere in this thread. More economical stability would be the best way to have more people starting families. It can be through higher paying jobs, decent paternity and maternity leave, better health and childcare, the list goes on.

It's not enough to just be pro-women-having-babies. Said babies have needs once they come into the world.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 12:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So are you saying higher education hampers marriage and birthrates because it's a waste of time that could be spent working/marrying/breeding, or because high-education brainwashes you into thinking it isn't important to get married and breed...or both?

Higher education isn’t itself the problem. Many other countries have higher education yet their women still marry and have a family. It’s a values issue that is taught in the elementary, middle, and high school.

[*Nately120*]

(12-18-2017, 12:37 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Pretty sure that's what you meant/wanted to type.

It's been addressed elsewhere in this thread. More economical stability would be the best way to have more people starting families. It can be through higher paying jobs, decent paternity and maternity leave, better health and childcare, the list goes on.

It's not enough to just be pro-women-having-babies. Said babies have needs once they come into the world.

I'm sure I'm over-simplifying this or putting too much of my personal experience into it, but it's quick scoff-worthy that republicans would chide people for not getting married and having kids after spending the past 35 or so years systematically eliminating the single-income household and the middle class as a whole.

(12-18-2017, 12:50 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Higher education isn’t itself the problem.   Many other countries have higher education yet their women still marry and have a family.   It’s a values issue that is taught in the elementary, middle, and high school.

Ehh, haven't we been over the notion that other countries have maternity/paternity leave and other socialistic nonsense that helps people get married and have kids without throwing themselves into financial crisis?  The number one reason for conflict and divorce among couples is money, and here we are telling people to ignore the financial implications and get knocked up.  Go figure our divorce rate is so high.

Oh, don't forget the societal pressure to kick off your marriage with a diamond ring and a ridiculously expensive wedding/honeymoon! No wonder people my age felt like they had to be millionaires before they settled down. Lordy.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 12:37 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Pretty sure that's what you meant/wanted to type.

It's been addressed elsewhere in this thread. More economical stability would be the best way to have more people starting families. It can be through higher paying jobs, decent paternity and maternity leave, better health and childcare, the list goes on.

It's not enough to just be pro-women-having-babies. Said babies have needs once they come into the world.

No one is economically stable enough for children. You just figure it out when they come. The fact is wherever your income is at you have to be selfless enough to bypass your own quality of life to ensure your children are taken care of In the way you are able.

Babies would be just fine growing up in a home with two married Parents. You don’t need to be millionaire to raise good children.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 12:50 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm sure I'm over-simplifying this or putting too much of my personal experience into it, but it's quick scoff-worthy that republicans would chide people for not getting married and having kids after spending the past 35 or so years systematically eliminating the single-income household and the middle class as a whole.



Ehh, haven't we been over the notion that other countries have maternity/paternity leave and other socialistic nonsense that helps people get married and have kids without throwing themselves into financial crisis?  The number one reason for conflict and divorce among couples is money, and here we are telling people to ignore the financial implications and get knocked up.  Go figure our divorce rate is so high.

Oh, don't forget the societal pressure to kick off your marriage with a diamond ring and a ridiculously expensive wedding/honeymoon! No wonder people my age felt like they had to be millionaires before they settled down. Lordy.

I would be ok with some maternity leave. I know in Belarus women leave the workforce when they have a child and the gov pays them for three years. Also men have mandatory military service that can be waived if they have a child around the age they need to sign up.

[*Nately120*]

(12-18-2017, 12:53 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one is economically stable enough for children.   You just figure it out when they come.  The fact is wherever your income is at you have to be selfless enough to bypass your own quality of life to ensure your children are taken care of In the way you are able.  

Babies would be just fine growing up in a home with two married Parents. You don’t need to be millionaire to raise good children.

I'll agree with you on this, with the added caveat that I'm very pro-stable gay couples being able to adopt.  Anyways, it's not about being a millionaire, but having enough money to not become shameful societal leeches if something goes wrong. 

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 12:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'll agree with you on this, with the added caveat that I'm very pro-stable gay couples being able to adopt.  Anyways, it's not about being a millionaire, but having enough money to not become shameful societal leeches if something goes wrong. 

I’m OK with the gays adopting. Adoption should also be pushed more in this country.

[Au165]

(12-18-2017, 12:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I’m OK with the gays adopting.   Adoption should also be pushed more in this country.

This string of posts is probably the most sane thing I have seen you discuss. Gay couple adoption maternity leave are okay in your book? That is a good first step. I actually agree that strengthening "the family" goes a long way to the prosperity of the country. As long as we are all in agreement that any strong family (no matter the make up) is better than broken families then I think we have found some common ground.

We are basically the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't require paid maternity/paternity leave of some sort. We need to make it a universal requirement, as you mentioned no one is ever financially ready this at least give them a buffer to make it more accessible.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-18-2017, 01:23 PM)Au165 Wrote: This string of posts is probably the most sane thing I have seen you discuss. Gay couple adoption maternity leave are okay in your book? That is a good first step. I actually agree that strengthening "the family" goes a long way to the prosperity of the country. As long as we are all in agreement that any strong family (no matter the make up) is better than broken families then I think we have found some common ground.

We are basically the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't require paid maternity/paternity leave of some sort. We need to make it a universal requirement, as you mentioned no one is ever financially ready this at least give them a buffer to make it more accessible.

Maybe we could just stop promoting abortions and women not getting married because “they don’t need a man”..... that’s the problem..... paid maternity leave isn’t necessarily the Fix. We need a culture change.

Also the wage gap (as little as one there is currently) is there to ensure families have more income when Mom stays home to raise the children.

As for your excitement on my position..... welcome to the party pal, this has been my position forever.