Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 02:23 PM)jj22 Wrote: He was talking to his girlfriend people. What all have you said to your girlfriends (or boyfriends)?

Again, let all cops, judges, fbi agents, etc show their text to their girls before you come to a conclusion.

And yes I repeat, this wasn't public like those who didn't text but said publically let's not elect Hillary and chanted lock her up!

But yea, focus your attention on a private text to a girlfriend.

Excuse me tho  if I don't care what you say to your girlfriend in private. I won't demand you be fired for it or act like political conversations with your girl don't take place.

I work at a bank. I text my wife how I think I'll just rob the place. My boss sees the text. According to you, he has no reason to fire me. Ok. 

[GMDino]

(08-08-2019, 02:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: The high horse missed you. Too bad you abandoned it in 2016.

But I'm glad you have morals again.

Men cheating on their wives is only a germain point when talking about someone OTHER than Trump. 

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 02:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: Men cheating on their wives is only a germain point when talking about someone OTHER than Trump. 

Or Clinton. 

[GMDino]

(08-08-2019, 02:41 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Or Clinton. 

Oh no...that's fair game.

[jj22]

(08-08-2019, 02:36 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I work at a bank. I text my wife how I think I'll just rob the place. My boss sees the text. According to you, he has no reason to fire me. Ok. 

I agree. We should all fight against bosses firing you for conversations with your girlfriend. I mean, how many of us have wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends. Do we really want our jobs in jeopardy for conversations we've had with them?

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 03:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: I agree. We should all fight against bosses firing you for conversations with your girlfriend. I mean, how many of us have wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends. Do we really want our jobs in jeopardy for conversations we've had with them?

Yes, if it prevents a crime. But, props for you consistency.

[jj22]

Yea, I understand what you are saying, but it's the principle. Jobs shouldn't concern themselves with what you text or say to your significant other.

Anyone with a significant other think back on their conversations and do you want your job to be able to fire you for it?

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 03:26 PM)jj22 Wrote: Yea, I understand what you are saying, but it's the principle. Jobs shouldn't concern themselves with what you text or say to your significant other.

Anyone with a significant other think back on their conversations and do you want your job to be able to fire you for it?

It depends on what is said. Yes, if I'm privately texting my wife how much I hate my boss, then, yeah, I shouldn't be fired for it. But, if I'm talking about how much I want to hurt him and try to kill him or get him fired, that's a different story.

With Stzrok, if he just said how much Trump sucked, that's one thing. But to state that he's going to stop him from being elected, that's a different story.

[jj22]

(08-08-2019, 03:30 PM)PhilHos Wrote: It depends on what is said. Yes, if I'm privately texting my wife how much I hate my boss, then, yeah, I shouldn't be fired for it. But, if I'm talking about how much I want to hurt him and try to kill him or get him fired, that's a different story.

With Stzrok, if he just said how much Trump sucked, that's one thing. But to state that he's going to stop him from being elected, that's a different story.

Well I mean you shouldn't "joke" like that but it's not like you are saying it to a stranger. It's your girl/wife/bae.

I don't tend to joke like that, but there's no guarantee someone at work will make me mad and I'd threaten them to my girl. Sometimes you got to get it out to the wife to keep your cool at work.

I understand peoples argument against Stzork, but we have to protect regular rights, and people have the right to say what they want to their significant others. We have to fight for that right, even if we disagree with Stzork for political reasons. If this becomes norm, then we are all in trouble and there are no private conversations afforded between you and your other.

Sometimes we as people have to come together for the greater good. And the greater good is protecting our rights to text whatever we want to someone we are having a romantic relationship with. We can't lose that right. It's bad enough if your wife's friend calls and tells her her man (someone who works under you) beat, cheats, or mistreats her (cough Urban) your job is now in jeopardy. How far can this go?

We've had to tell our wives not to tell us about their girlfriends no good guy (that they chose and won't leave) cause we could lose our job now. Enough is Enough. Men must step up and fight back!

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 03:36 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well I mean you shouldn't "joke" like that but it's not like you are saying it to a stranger. It's your girl/wife/bae.

I don't tend to joke like that, but there's no guarantee someone at work will make me mad and I'd threaten them to my girl. Sometimes you got to get it out to the wife to keep your cool at work.

I understand peoples argument against Stzork, but we have to protect regular rights, and people have the right to say what they want to their significant others. We have to fight for that right, even if we disagree with Stzork for political reasons. If this becomes norm, then we are all in trouble and there are no private conversations afforded between you and your other.

Sometimes we as people have to come together for the greater good. And the greater good is protecting our rights to text whatever we want to someone we are having a romantic relationship with. We can't lose that right. It's bad enough if your wife's friend calls and tells her her man (someone who works under you) beat, cheats, or mistreats her (cough Urban) your job is now in jeopardy. How far can this go?

We've had to tell our wives not to tell us about their girlfriends no good guy (that they chose and won't leave) cause we could lose our job now.  Enough is Enough. Men must step up and fight back!

So, if I send my wife an email using my company-provided email on my company-provided computer that one of these days, I'm going to kick my boss's ass, my company should just ignore that? They should just wait until I kill him and then lament the fact that there was nothing they could do?

[jj22]

I mean is there a policy that says you can't use company emails for personal reasons? I can't argue against it if there is. There was no policy saying you couldn't text your girlfriend however. So there's two different arguments in your example.

If he texted her and said she better be ready and waiting for when he gets home cause I've had a long day and need that release. Will they fire him for porn? Or is that ok?

Trump wasn't even his boss at the time, so all he was doing was commenting politically on something they both knew about (Trump colluding with Russia, and under FBI investigation for it), so I'm not sure it applies to your example. He was being a good American by knowing what he knew and hoping America didn't fall victim to the attack by Russia.

We did. And suddenly he's the bad guy.

[*PhilHos*]

(08-08-2019, 04:42 PM)jj22 Wrote: I mean is there a policy that says you can't use company emails for personal reasons? I can't argue against it if there is. There was no policy saying you couldn't text your girlfriend however. So there's two different arguments in your example.

Not if he was sending her texts from a comapny issued cellphone which my understanding was that he was.

(08-08-2019, 04:42 PM)jj22 Wrote: If he texted her and said she better be ready and waiting for when he gets home cause I've had a long day and need that release. Will they fire him for porn? Or is that ok?

No, because that's not pornographic.  But again, if he's using company property for personal use, that is usually frowned upon.

(08-08-2019, 04:42 PM)jj22 Wrote: Trump wasn't even his boss at the time, so all he was doing was commenting politically on something they both knew about (Trump colluding with Russia), so I'm not sure it applies to your example.

My example was about using company property to discuss breaking the law or acting improperly and the company firing an employee because of that. How about this as an example: a cop texts his girlfriend on his company provided phone that the next black guy he sees, he's pulling over and making his life hell. According to you, he should not be reprimanded because he was talking to his girlfriend?

[Belsnickel]

(08-08-2019, 01:56 AM)Benton Wrote: You're representative of your employer. Being a leo aside, an employer shouldnt be restricted in their first amendment rights, either. 

But being a leo, to me, it's even more of an issue. Like the cop in Chattanooga who was openly hostile towards gays. It casts a shadow of doubt on all his work, even of there were 100 percent substantiated, evidenced arrests.

What you're saying makes sense for public statements, not texts to your mistress.

[Benton]

(08-08-2019, 08:11 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What you're saying makes sense for public statements, not texts to your mistress.

It's still out there regardless of whether he said it to his mom or his boss or the media.

The first gives you rights, but at the cost of responsibilities.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 08:11 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What you're saying makes sense for public statements, not texts to your mistress.

(08-08-2019, 08:31 PM)Benton Wrote: It's still out there regardless of whether he said it to his mom or his boss or the media.

The first gives you rights, but at the cost of responsibilities.

Correct.  Bel, what if in his texts to his married mistress (another huge no no), he claimed he hated Jews, blacks or some other group?  Would you be of the same opinion then?  Once a bias is revealed it can't be unseen, that person is now tainted by that bias and all their past decisions will be re-reviewed through a prism of potential bias.  You effectively invalidate your ability to do your job in a professional, unbiased, manner.  The fact that he had previously been able to keep his bias a secret does not lesson its impact once revealed, regardless of how that occurs.

[Belsnickel]

(08-08-2019, 08:31 PM)Benton Wrote: It's still out there regardless of whether he said it to his mom or his boss or the media.

The first gives you rights, but at the cost of responsibilities.

He wasn't the one that made the statements public, though. I just have a problem with the assumption that private correspondences, if made public by a third party, can be used against you by and employer, and especially by the government. That is a concerning situation when it comes to our privacy rights and our rights of free expression.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(08-08-2019, 08:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: He wasn't the one that made the statements public, though. I just have a problem with the assumption that private correspondences, if made public by a third party, can be used against you by and employer, and especially by the government. That is a concerning situation when it comes to our privacy rights and our rights of free expression.

You have no expectation of privacy when using company property...especially government property.

He should have been fired for incompetence because he knows everything sent by text, calls made, anything done on government equipment is recorded, read and reviewed.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-08-2019, 05:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Not if he was sending her texts from a comapny issued cellphone which my understanding was that he was.


No, because that's not pornographic.  But again, if he's using company property for personal use, that is usually frowned upon.


My example was about using company property to discuss breaking the law or acting improperly and the company firing an employee because of that. How about this as an example: a cop texts his girlfriend on his company provided phone that the next black guy he sees, he's pulling over and making his life hell. According to you, he should not be reprimanded because he was talking to his girlfriend?

So how far does this go? If anyone in public service expresses political opinions in a private message that was sent on a government issued device they should be fired?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-08-2019, 09:55 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: So how far does this go? If anyone in public service expresses political opinions in a private message that was sent on a government issued device they should be fired?

I don't think the issue is his having a political opinion, everyone does.  What got him in trouble is the "we're going to stop Trump from getting elected" comment.  That comment exposes him to an interpretation that he would/could act improperly to ensure this.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-08-2019, 10:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't think the issue is his having a political opinion, everyone does.  What got him in trouble is the "we're going to stop Trump from getting elected" comment.  That comment exposes him to an interpretation that he would/could act improperly to ensure this.

So he sent a private message.. Was there ever any proof he did anything improper other than having an affair?