Planned Parenthood selling body parts?

[Belsnickel]

(07-17-2015, 12:16 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The task at hand is a polite way of saying crushing babies skulls.

The reason I use that general term is because what I'm talking about is something that could occur for any task in any field. Including people that don't agree with it. If you are a collections specialist you could take great pride in your low write-off percentage, put people could really hate what you do and how you do it. Everyone has different views on these sorts of things, and no issue is more divisive than abortion. Which is exactly why these people did what they did. They are manipulating their target audience, pure and simple.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 12:10 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I think I wouldn't brag on my ability to kill the baby without damaging the organs.  She's not applying for a job.  If you guys are OK with that, fine.  I think it's disgusting.

Agreed. It's disgusting anyone defends this lady or pp shenanigans.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 12:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: As it would be if it were not being done legally and as safely as possible for the mother.

No one has to like it...but the least we can hope for is it is done as properly as possible.

Your defending the fact someone is crushing a babies skull. How have you come to that belief in life? That its ok it crush babies and then harvest their bodies so anyone can perform experiments. As they are sold off to the highest bidder.

Don't care how you dress it up. That's what they are doing. You have obviously gone along with it based on calling it something else.

But then again you have to sleep at night so I don't blame you trying to make it sound as nice as you could.

[Belsnickel]

(07-17-2015, 12:10 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I think I wouldn't brag on my ability to kill the baby without damaging the organs.  She's not applying for a job.  If you guys are OK with that, fine.  I think it's disgusting.

I just like to think critically and rhetorically analyze these sorts of things. It's something most people aren't comfortable with.

[Belsnickel]

(07-17-2015, 05:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Your defending the fact someone is crushing a babies skull. How have you come to that belief in life? That its ok it crush babies and then harvest their bodies so anyone can perform experiments. As they are sold off to the highest bidder.

Don't care how you dress it up. That's what they are doing. You have obviously gone along with it based on calling it something else.

But then again you have to sleep at night so I don't blame you trying to make it sound as nice as you could.

Couple of things here. First, they aren't selling them to the highest bidder. That's been addressed several times here and just ignoring that others have pointed out that inaccuracy doesn't make it go away.

Second, you're acting as if these fetuses were aborted simply so they could be used in experiments. As I have stated before, we are talking about fetuses that would have been aborted regardless, and the tissue would have been incinerated. Instead of it being incinerated it is being donated to be used in valuable medical research. If abortions are going to be performed regardless, why shouldn't we be making the most use out of the tissue?

[GMDino]

(07-17-2015, 05:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Your defending the fact someone is crushing a babies skull.   How have you come to that belief in life?  That its ok it crush babies and then harvest their bodies so anyone can perform experiments.   As they are sold off to the highest bidder.  

Don't care how you dress it up.  That's what they are doing.   You have obviously gone along with it based on calling it something else.  

But then again you have to sleep at night so I don't blame you trying to make it sound as nice as you could.

As long as abortion is legal I want it to be as safe as possible for the mother.  I find abortion a horrible choice...but one that *I* do not have to make.  Whatever leads the woman to that choice is with her and her alone.

It is interesting that in your mind this has morphed into selling parts to the highest bidder...rather than what it has been shown to be.

But if you would prefer that it go back in to the alleys and have the women die too feel free to think that way.  After all they were probably ugly women anyway.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 05:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Couple of things here. First, they aren't selling them to the highest bidder. That's been addressed several times here and just ignoring that others have pointed out that inaccuracy doesn't make it go away.

Second, you're acting as if these fetuses were aborted simply so they could be used in experiments. As I have stated before, we are talking about fetuses that would have been aborted regardless, and the tissue would have been incinerated. Instead of it being incinerated it is being donated to be used in valuable medical research. If abortions are going to be performed regardless, why shouldn't we be making the most use out of the tissue?

Planned parenthood accepts money. Whether they are charging for "shipping and handling" only is debateble. Whats in the handling charge?

It's sketchy. Which based on pp past actions .... Is par for the course.

And just because you think its valuable medical research does not mean those mothers want their freshly killed babies Harvested to help pp bottom line and medical research.

[BmorePat87]

(07-17-2015, 05:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And just because you think its valuable medical research does not mean those mothers want their freshly killed babies Harvested to help pp bottom line and medical research.

the mothers are the ones who choose to donate the tissue...

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 05:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: As long as abortion is legal I want it to be as safe as possible for the mother.  I find abortion a horrible choice...but one that *I* do not have to make.  Whatever leads the woman to that choice is with her and her alone.

It is interesting that in your mind this has morphed into selling parts to the highest bidder...rather than what it has been shown to be.

But if you would prefer that it go back in to the alleys and have the women die too feel free to think that way.  After all they were probably ugly women anyway.

Yup the go to is back ally abortions. Cause that's what I want.... Lol.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 05:32 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: the mothers are the ones who choose to donate the tissue...

and pp makes the money. So they make money on killing the baby then make it selling the baby off piece by piece.

Oh wait they only charge shipping and handling.

[Belsnickel]

(07-17-2015, 05:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Planned parenthood accepts money. Whether they are charging for "shipping and handling" only is debateble. Whats in the handling charge?

It's sketchy. Which based on pp past actions .... Is par for the course.

And just because you think its valuable medical research does not mean those mothers want their freshly killed babies Harvested to help pp bottom line and medical research.

(07-17-2015, 05:32 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: the mothers are the ones who choose to donate the tissue...

(07-17-2015, 05:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: and pp makes the money. So they make money on killing the baby then make it selling the baby off piece by piece.

Oh wait they only charge shipping and handling.

Pat beat me to that one, the whole consent part. As for the whole "shipping and handling," as you call it, that would be costs associated with transportation of the tissue, materials used in storage (storage of human tissue for medical purposes is not something taken lightly), and things such as that. And as with any medical supplies, nothing for that storage and transportation comes cheap. So the $30-$100 mentioned seems very reasonable as far as compensation for these things.

Of course none of this will alleviate your outrage over this manufactured issue. The propagandists have done their job well in manipulating their target audience.

[masonbengals fan]

Outrage is over the act not a manufactured issue.

[Belsnickel]

(07-17-2015, 06:23 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Outrage is over the act not a manufactured issue.

I know. The outrage is over abortion in general. But this particular issue is manufactured because it is just a manipulation. Abortion is a besieged burh of Wessex sitting on an old hill fort and the anti-choice/pro-life crowd are the Danish armies besieging it (the irony of the perceived role reversal does not escape me here). This is just one more attempt to take the walls erected with Roe v. Wade as the others have been beaten back by the defensive position of the burh.

[BmorePat87]

(07-17-2015, 05:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: and pp makes the money.   So they make money on killing the baby then make it selling the baby off piece by piece.    

Oh wait they only charge shipping and handling.

I'm not sure why you keep saying they sell anything. Even if you correct yourself,  you look silly repeating something false after being told that you're wrong.

[GMDino]

(07-17-2015, 05:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yup the go to is back ally abortions.    Cause that's what I want.... Lol.

Whether you want it or not that is exactly what will happen.

[fredtoast]

I hated the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were killed in Iraq just so George Bush could prove he had a bigger dick than Saddam Hussein. I felt it was evil and awful. BUt if I knew that the bodies of all the people killed in that war were being used for scientific research it would make me feel better instead of worse.

But the Anti-abortion crowd here are so selfish and petty that they refuse to see any good in the fact that these aborted fetuses could save other lives. They would be happier if MORE people died just because they can not get their way instead of trying to get some good out of something they see as bad. It shows that they don't really care about life at all. They are so pissed off that they can't control what women do with their owns bodies that they think it is WORSE that some people might actually be saved by the research done on this donated tissue.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 07:05 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm not sure why you keep saying they sell anything. Even if you correct yourself,  you look silly repeating something false after being told that you're wrong.

Then why do they charge 30-100 and why does the lady say that they don't wanna look like they are making too much money? It's not my words. They are hers.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-20-2015, 02:13 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I hated the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were killed in Iraq just so George Bush could prove he had a bigger dick than Saddam Hussein.  I felt it was evil and awful.  BUt if I knew that the bodies of all the people killed in that war were being used for scientific research it would make me feel better instead of worse.

But the Anti-abortion crowd here are so selfish and petty that they refuse to see any good in the fact that these aborted fetuses could save other lives.  They would be happier if MORE people died just because they can not get their way instead of trying to get some good out of something they see as bad.  It shows that they don't really care about life at all.  They are so pissed off that they can't control what women do with their owns bodies that they think it is WORSE that some people might actually be saved by the research done on this donated tissue.

Yeah it's not like pp isn't harvesting these parts based on the orders placed.      Please let me the law on trafficing human organs.    

Customer places orders .... Pp performs the abortions so that they can fill those orders (
changing how they kill the baby to maximize their orders)  ... Then pp takes a fee based on what the location wants to charge ... Then delivers the human organs to the customers after the order has been filled and payment received .  

How is that even allowed?

[GodHatesBengals]

(07-20-2015, 03:06 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yeah it's not like pp isn't harvesting these parts based on the orders placed.      Please let me the law on trafficing human organs.    

Customer places orders .... Pp performs the abortions so that they can fill those orders (
changing how they kill the baby to maximize their orders)  ... Then pp takes a fee based on what the location wants to charge ... Then delivers the human organs to the customers after the order has been filled and payment received .  

How is that even allowed?

Hey it's all just about what the free market wants, right? You need to read Atlas Shrugged more carefully next time!

[BmorePat87]

(07-20-2015, 03:01 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then why do they charge 30-100 and why does the lady say that they don't wanna look like they are making too much money?   It's not my words.   They are hers.

Because the cost of transportation varies and they fear someone might accuse them of making money when they don't...

oh wait, that did happen. I guess that's why she said it.