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(02-25-2020, 12:15 PM)Dill Wrote: Wait--Is "the Media" running for office? It has an "opponent" and enemies?  Who in "the media" has called Bernie a "Russian puppet and a Nazi"?

The myriad accusations against Trump are "baseless"?  So he never paid off a porn star or pulled troops from the Syrian border? Never supported Putin over his own intel agencies? Never obstructed justice or with held aid from the Ukraine?  "The Media" made up all those ugly tweets about women's looks? He did not go after Vindman's family when the LTC did his duty and responded to a congressional subpoena? He is not currently purging the executive branch of "snakes" and replacing them with loyalists? Hundreds of his friends really did die on 9/11 while thousands of Jersey Muslims cheered? I have been TRICKED into believing all that?

I'm not sure how you got this response out of that meme. I can explain the meme if you want me to I guess.

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(02-25-2020, 10:29 AM)hollodero Wrote: I know one doesn't comment on memes, but this is freakishly disingenuous.

I liked it. For the record, neither Trump nor Sanders are Nazi or Russian puppets. Other than that, I don't know. :shouldershrug:

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(02-26-2020, 07:07 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:

Don't give him any ideas. He'll being using CDC money to build a wall and say it's to keep the coronavirus out.

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(02-26-2020, 07:24 PM)6andcounting Wrote: I liked it. For the record, neither Trump nor Sanders are Nazi or Russian puppets. Other than that, I don't know. :shouldershrug:

That's not the disingenuousness I was talking about. I guess you are aware of that.

Here's the first disingenuous part: Saying that "the media" is calling Bernie a Russian puppet. The media does not do that. At all. They cited intelligence findings that Russia might or is helping Bernie in the primaries. A narrative that is not the media's fault to begin with, this comes from intelligence. Unlike Trump, Bernie just acknowledges that.
And also, they do not call him a Nazi. One news relict that talks a lot of stupid stuff made a comparison in bad taste. He got backlash from all sides for that, and no other moderator ever repated the line. And looking at what Matthews said, it was probably not so much about Nazis or Bernie being a Nazi as it was about the situation a french general was in back in '40, just realizing that "it's over". It was a bad thing to say, but transforming it to a sentence like "the media calls Bernie a Nazi" is awfully dishonest. "Aging Chris Matthews rambles rubbish as often" would be the honest summary.

Now as for Trump and the second disingenuous part, there's still a reason why the FBI had its suspicions regarding the Trump campaign and Russia. Not media spins and falsehoods. But multiple strange or alarming events. Don't let me list them, you kow all that, from Papadopoulos to Flynn to Manafort to Stone to Trump Tower meetings and so on and so on. These weren't "tricks" or "baseless reports". And as for the Nazi angle, there are still many that honestly can't quite imagine how good people just incidentally keep marching alongside Nazis for some common cause. Trump earned his critical perception. Not just by saying "good people on both sides", but maybe even more so by saying "bad people on both sides" and then solely talking and lieing about the protesters' alleged wrongdoings. Also, David Duke endorsed him. Also, quite some more things. Not saying Trump is a Nazi mind you, and neither do the respected media people, they really don't. Except maybe for Chris Matthews aka "the whole media", for this guy talks too much nonsense. But they are dritical of his response to Nazis, and that is reasonable enough.
Now see that as you want, you might have a different perspective on that and I won't argue about it. But "baseless accusations" and "tricks" is not what happened to poor Trump. This is not a media conspiracy and these accusations are way off.

And now for the rousing conclusion of your meme, there's the claim Trump is just as smeared as Bernie got smeared, that is what the mainstream media does, and the average MSM watcher ist just too freakishly stupid and gullible to get it. Yeah, hard to lose any more words about that. Awful, awful meme. /rant.

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(02-26-2020, 07:21 PM)6andcounting Wrote: I'm not sure how you got this response out of that meme. I can explain the meme if you want me to I guess.

"Media tricks with no evidence" was the prime trigger for me. 

But I think someone just explained it.

(02-26-2020, 08:47 PM)hollodero Wrote: Here's the first disingenuous part: Saying that "the media" is calling Bernie a Russian puppet. The media does not do that. At all. They cited intelligence findings that Russia might or is helping Bernie in the primaries. A narrative that is not the media's fault to begin with, this comes from intelligence. Unlike Trump, Bernie just acknowledges that.
And also, they do not call him a Nazi. One news relict that talks a lot of stupid stuff made a comparison in bad taste. He got backlash from all sides for that, and no other moderator ever repated the line. And looking at what Matthews said, it was probably not so much about Nazis or Bernie being a Nazi as it was about the situation a french general was in back in '40, just realizing that "it's over". It was a bad thing to say, but transforming it to a sentence like "the media calls Bernie a Nazi" is awfully dishonest. "Aging Chris Matthews rambles rubbish as often" would be the honest summary.

Now as for Trump and the second disingenuous part, there's still a reason why the FBI had its suspicions regarding the Trump campaign and Russia. Not media spins and falsehoods. But multiple strange or alarming events. Don't let me list them, you kow all that, from Papadopoulos to Flynn to Manafort to Stone to Trump Tower meetings and so on and so on. These weren't "tricks" or "baseless reports". And as for the Nazi angle, there are still many that honestly can't quite imagine how good people just incidentally keep marching alongside Nazis for some common cause. Trump earned his critical perception. Not just by saying "good people on both sides", but maybe even more so by saying "bad people on both sides" and then solely talking and lieing about the protesters' alleged wrongdoings. Also, David Duke endorsed him. Also, quite some more things. Not saying Trump is a Nazi mind you, and neither do the respected media people, they really don't. Except maybe for Chris Matthews aka "the whole media", for this guy talks too much nonsense. But they are dritical of his response to Nazis, and that is reasonable enough.
Now see that as you want, you might have a different perspective on that and I won't argue about it. But "baseless accusations" and "tricks" is not what happened to poor Trump. This is not a media conspiracy and these accusations are way off.

And now for the rousing conclusion of your meme, there's the claim Trump is just as smeared as Bernie got smeared, that is what the mainstream media does, and the average MSM watcher ist just too freakishly stupid and gullible to get it. Yeah, hard to lose any more words about that. Awful, awful meme. /rant.

What would you add to this?

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A tweet for everything.

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(02-27-2020, 12:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote:

A tweet for everything.

So I watched the press conference and he was asked about his previous tweets.  DJT's "logic" is that Pence is not a "czar" he is already in the admin and this is different because people who got Ebola "disintegrated"...this is just like the flu.

"Is this just like flu because people die of the flu and this is very unusual. It is a little bit different but in some ways it's easier and in some ways it's a little bit tougher" pic.twitter.com/lf7eV4oXGv

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) February 27, 2020

Mind you Pence completely blew the HIV response.

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(02-26-2020, 08:47 PM)hollodero Wrote: That's not the disingenuousness I was talking about. I guess you are aware of that.

Here's the first disingenuous part: Saying that "the media" is calling Bernie a Russian puppet. The media does not do that. At all. They cited intelligence findings that Russia might or is helping Bernie in the primaries. (The intelligence community is saying Russia's goal in helping certain candidates is to sow division. The media leave this part out while giving Bloomberg and Biden air time to also leave that part out and use it to attack Bernie). A narrative that is not the media's fault to begin with, this comes from intelligence. Unlike Trump, Bernie just acknowledges that.
And also, they do not call him a Nazi. One news relict that talks a lot of stupid stuff made a comparison in bad taste. (Well since that is exactly what the meme is about I'm not sure how you can argue this part.) He got backlash from all sides for that, and no other moderator ever repated the line. And looking at what Matthews said, it was probably not so much about Nazis or Bernie being a Nazi as it was about the situation a french general was in back in '40, just realizing that "it's over". It was a bad thing to say, but transforming it to a sentence like "the media calls Bernie a Nazi" is awfully dishonest. "Aging Chris Matthews rambles rubbish as often" would be the honest summary. (I suppose invoking Nazism by likening his campaign success to the third Reich is the is not as bad as saying "Bernie is a Nazi")

Now as for Trump and the second disingenuous part, there's still a reason why the FBI had its suspicions regarding the Trump campaign and Russia. Not media spins and falsehoods. But multiple strange or alarming events. Don't let me list them, you kow all that, from Papadopoulos to Flynn to Manafort to Stone to Trump Tower meetings and so on and so on. These weren't "tricks" or "baseless reports". (All of those people listed were part of the Mueller report and Mueller said no American knowingly or purposely colluded with Russia) And as for the Nazi angle, there are still many that honestly can't quite imagine how good people just incidentally keep marching alongside Nazis for some common cause. Trump earned his critical perception. Not just by saying "good people on both sides", (the "both sides" quotes is objectively wrong everytime it is used against Trump. The actual quote is " [b][b]I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally[/b] — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers") [/b]but maybe even more so by saying "bad people on both sides" and then solely talking and lieing about the protesters' alleged wrongdoings. Also, David Duke endorsed him. (What does he have to do with anything? Communists are endorsing and voting for Bernie and that doesn't make Bernie a communist. Bernie certainly hasn't gone out of his way to condemn communism and yet that still doesn't make him a commie) Also, quite some more things. Not saying Trump is a Nazi mind you, and neither do the respected media people, they really don't. Except maybe for Chris Matthews aka "the whole media", for this guy talks too much nonsense. But they are dritical of his response to Nazis, and that is reasonable enough.
Now see that as you want, you might have a different perspective on that and I won't argue about it. But "baseless accusations" and "tricks" is not what happened to poor Trump. This is not a media conspiracy and these accusations are way off.

And now for the rousing conclusion of your meme, there's the claim Trump is just as smeared as Bernie got smeared, that is what the mainstream media does, and the average MSM watcher ist just too freakishly stupid and gullible to get it. Yeah, hard to lose any more words about that. Awful, awful meme. /rant.

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6andcounting Wrote:The intelligence community is saying Russia's goal in helping certain candidates is to sow division. The media leave this part out while giving Bloomberg and Biden air time to also leave that part out and use it to attack Bernie)

No they don't leave that part out.
And they are also not responsible for what Biden and Bloomberg say.

6andcounting Wrote:Well since that is exactly what the meme is about I'm not sure how you can argue this part.

I don't. I argue that what Chris Matthews says is akin to "the media says" and then basing a whole media conspiracy story around it.

6andcounting Wrote:All of those people listed were part of the Mueller report and Mueller said no American knowingly or purposely colluded with Russia

Also, he indicted most of them.
Now not to be nitpicking, but Mueller said he could not find sufficient evidence for a conspiracy between the campaign and Russia. Which is to be accepted. Also, that does not mean there was nothing there, it does not mean that at all and that needs to be accepted as well. If you use Mueller to construct a "the media smeared Trump with baseless claims"-narrative, then you neglect the parts of the Mueller reports that clearly show that's not true.

6andcounting Wrote:the "both sides" quotes is objectively wrong everytime it is used against Trump.

Don't know why you would say that. My critizism is the part where he alleges good people march with Nazis and supremacists, painting the whole Nazi rallye as a congregation of fine people with some black sheep in it. But that's not how a Nazi rally looks like.
-- and then he lied about the protesters, like flasely claiming the good Nazis had permits and the proteters had none. Which is a lie. And I guess that's a habit of his, but why would you lie to make the protesters look worse and the Nazis better?

6andcounting Wrote:What does he have to do with anything? Communists are endorsing and voting for Bernie and that doesn't make Bernie a communist. Bernie certainly hasn't gone out of his way to condemn communism and yet that still doesn't make him a commie

His first response to the Duke endorsement was "I don't know who David Duke is and I never have heard about white supremacy" or something along those lines.
He did, as far as I know, never quite reject this endorsement.
Btw. I don't say that makes Trump a Nazi. Also, the media does not say Trump is a Nazi. Some in the media say he's not distancing himself enough. As do I.


- Now sure that response leaves out the part where any Trump critic is painted as a stupid gullible person who is totally indoctrrinated by the media. Solely based on a singular, awful, also totally unsupported and unrepeated Chris Matthews quote. Also, this one quote serves as a full-blown exoneration for Trump on anything. This really is as simplistic and dishonest as it gets. Even for a meme that is bad.

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