Poll Biden is too old to be next POTUS

[*Nately120*]

(08-31-2023, 06:22 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: How is Jill Biden a fake doctor when she in fact has a doctorate?

The salt of conservatives could dry the oceans.

We've been over this, the only doctors that count are the ones with medical degrees, unless they say something you don't want to hear in which case you spend an hour on youtube and you then know more than they do.

Basically, no one is a real doctor unless conservatives say they are.

[BigPapaKain]

(08-31-2023, 07:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: We've been over this, the only doctors that count are the ones with medical degrees, unless they say something you don't want to hear in which case you spend an hour on youtube and you then know more than they do.

Basically, no one is a real doctor unless conservatives say they are.

Must be nice to have a completely subjective reality, I suppose.

[Luvnit2]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-rippe-leaving-medal-honor-ceremony-early-abhorrent

The latest fact based incident showing Biden is simply not there, add it to the list of incidents of Biden rambling, lying and overall showing he is not of sound mind to lead the girl scouts and certainly not our military.


Biden ripped for leaving Medal of Honor ceremony early: 'ABHORRENT'
Biden left before the ceremony's closing prayer, which he stayed for during previous ceremonies in both 2021 and 2022

Take a look yourself, don't take my word for it.

Joe did say watch him, we are and it is not a good look.

[StoneTheCrow]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/10/politics/karine-jean-pierre-joe-biden-press-conference/index.html

Buddy is tired

[LSUfaninTN]

(08-29-2023, 04:24 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Could be a point if the another one wasn't just as old as him ...

You better ask yourself this question between the nominees ... Is this the best we have ?

It shouldn't be age. My gf's grandfather is 73, has dementia. My grandmother was 92 and sharp as a wip. 

You could cast Biden as a Walmart greeter in a movie. He wouldn't even have to act, and it'd be more convincing than Meryl Streep.

People thought the US was a laughing stock when Trump was president. At least the dude wasn't infirmed. Agreed with your question. Trump at least is still there mentally; he's witty, quick, fiery, and alert. And I highly doubt he'd escort a spy balloon from China across the country. This guy is an absolute embarrassment. It's so bad that there are SNL type skits about him in Saudi Arabia. Saudi freaking Arabia.

[Luvnit2]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-repeats-same-story-twice-almost-word-for-word-within-minutes-sparking-concern-online-elder-abuse

Fox story but a Politico reporter covering Biden.

This is bad, very bad for 2024 nominee joe Biden. Is anyone else concerned Joe is slowly losing his mental capabilities right before our eyes?
Biden repeats same story twice almost 'word for word' within minutes, sparking concern online: 'Elder abuse'
President Biden lit up social media after a pool report from Wednesday evening revealed that he told the "same story" at a fundraiser just minutes apart "nearly word for word."

"After briefly touting his economic record, POTUS reflected on his decision to seek the presidency," the pool report from Politico’s Jonathan Lemire, who was traveling with the president on Wednesday, stated. "He told the story about the events of Charlottesville in 2017 as the reason for his campaign. A few minutes later, he told the story again, nearly word for word."

[BigPapaKain]

World War II.
Bleach injections.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
Covefe.
Taking British airports during the Revolutionary War.

That's just off the top of my head.

Maybe Biden is declining. But the other guy is pacing him.

It's a shame THESE are going to be our candidates.

[Arturo Bandini]

Age is not a problem. Soros is 93 and still ruling everyone around.

[*Nately120*]

Biden so old that when Lauren Bobert is his age she's going to be a great-great-great grandma.

[Luvnit2]

More Biden mental capacity issues. He does not even know who he is speaking to, I guess to him Hispanics and Black people look alike???????
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-praises-wrong-group-speech-congressional-hispanic-caucus-gala
Biden praises wrong group during speech at Congressional Hispanic Caucus' annual gala
Marking his third gaffe in two days, Biden praised the 'Congressional Black Caucus' during an event for the Congressional Hispanic Caucus
President Biden complimented the merits of the "Congressional Black Caucus" during a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Thursday, his third public speaking gaffe in just two days.

Biden, 80, made the mishap during a speech at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute’s 46th Annual Gala in Washington, D.C., as he celebrated gala award recipient Sister Norma Pimental, executive director of Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley.

He said: "I know Sister Norma lives the lessons nuns taught me growing up. Lessons based on the Gospel of Matthew: feed the hungry, care for the sick, welcome strangers. They echo what my dad taught me, and I mean this sincerely, my dad used to say, ‘Everyone, everyone is entitled to be treated with dignity and respect.’ The Congressional Black Caucus embodies all those values."

The incident took place the day after he forgot to shake the hand of Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, known as "Lula," before leaving a joint press conference and, later that night, repeated the same story at a fundraiser just minutes apart.

Sadly, he speaks for a small amount of time (usually 30 minutes maximum and rarely takes questions), but still can't get through most short speeches without screwing up.

Sorry Democrats, no way this guy should be the Democratic nominee. My guess is it only gets worse, I am not sure he can make it through his 1st term at this point.

[Luvnit2]

Biden looks lost entering for the press conference, then lost leaving. It is another bad look on the world stage.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-forgets-shake-hands-president-brazil-latest-awkward-gaffe


WATCH: Biden forgets to shake hands with president of Brazil in latest awkward gaffe
Biden walked off stage as Brazil's president attempted to shake his hand
Brandon Gillespie By Brandon Gillespie Fox News
Published September 21, 2023 6:43pm EDT

[LSUfaninTN]

(08-29-2023, 09:03 AM)GMDino Wrote: What is your upper age for running for office?




I'm going to hope you are citing some source with that and not just assuming that the black voter is more inclined to approve of 1135809 because he has a mug shot.

Secondly, 1135809 used the mugshot to raise money...not to attract more voters...himself.  The "Democrats" did nothing to try and "shame" him that he wasn't doing himself.


Is it possible, at all, that states might be looking at removing 1135809 because of all the crimes?  They've already beat him at the ballot box.  

Twice.


Again I'm going to assume this has some source versus just what you believe would move black voters to back 1135809.  Please provide that.

It shouldn’t be an age thing. It should be a cognitive ability thing. Which is ironically something the Democrats brought up when Trump made a typo on a tweet. It’s amazing how they cared about cognitive ability under Trump, but it’s no longer of keen interest until they are worried whether Biden can win. Democrats are such incredible bullshitters and they never get called out for it. Most of my friends who voted Biden don’t even know about the “End of quote, repeat the line” gaffe, or shaking hands with a ghost, leaving in the middle of a Medal of Honor ceremony, they ain’t black, relating to Hawaiians because of a kitchen fire he once had… etc… and they don’t care. But when Trump says WW2 instead of WW3, he’s got dementia and he’s too old to run. Truly a clown world and a clown voter base driven by hysteria, identity politics, and buzzwords. 

Re: the black vote and the mugshot. He’s probably referring to the fact that there are a lot of viral YouTube videos of black people saying they will vote for Trump because “relate” more. I’ve seen them, and I don’t consider that a reliable indicator, I just can’t imagine a single one of my black friends thinking of changing their vote because of a mugshot, in fact I think they would be EXTREMELY insulted by that… it’s a pretty stupid and racist assumption. I’ve also seen the 20% black vote Republican statistic, but the first place I saw it was Fox News and unless it’s backed by another credible source I don’t consider ANY of their statistics on anything. I’m programmed to think it’s BS. 

We all know the black vote 20% is BS anyway, it’s not even worth looking at the statistics. The Democrats will have 90-95% of the black vote for the rest of the country’s existence. It doesn’t matter what they do or who they run, all they have to say is “they wanna put yall back in chains (and an alarmingly large amount of black people actually believe them)” and build Fentanyl Floyd monuments a few times a year, while doing absolutely nothing for the black communities in Baltimore, NOLA, Detroit and St. Louis. Rinse and repeat. Pay em lip service while you screw em over. The Democrat model — make sure the problems continue to stay problems, and pretend like you want to fix them without fixing them. They figured out how to manipulate the black vote too well under LBJ (“I’ll have them n*****’s voting Democrat for the next 200 years”). They’re so good at manipulating black voters that they, get this, actually convinced a substantial amount of them in CA that Larry Elder is a black white supremacist. 

Your other point about the Democrats not shaming him. I dunno what point you’re trying to make. The reason he “did it to himself” is because he chose to get out in front of it, because the Dems were waiting to use it. That was a really well calculated move. He might as well make money off of it because they were going to do it anyway. I don’t blame him and anyone would be an idiot to not do the same thing that he did. 

[hollodero]

(09-22-2023, 12:35 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: It shouldn’t be an age thing. It should be a cognitive ability thing. Which is ironically something the Democrats brought up when Trump made a typo on a tweet. It’s amazing how they cared about cognitive ability under Trump, but it’s no longer of keen interest until they are worried whether Biden can win. Democrats are such incredible bullshitters and they never get called out for it. Most of my friends who voted Biden don’t even know about the “End of quote, repeat the line” gaffe, or shaking hands with a ghost, leaving in the middle of a Medal of Honor ceremony, they ain’t black, relating to Hawaiians because of a kitchen fire he once had… etc… and they don’t care. But when Trump says WW2 instead of WW3, he’s got dementia and he’s too old to run. 

The same is true the other way round though. Trump-voting folks are all over Biden over his gaffes and errors and at the same time blatantly ignore all the embarrassing stuff from Trump.

[LSUfaninTN]

(09-22-2023, 12:50 PM)hollodero Wrote: The same is true the other way round though. Trump-voting folks are all over Biden over his gaffes and errors and at the same time blatantly ignore all the embarrassing stuff from Trump.

I’m not saying it’s not happening on both sides. But it’s a different kind of embarrassing coming from Trump. The big difference to me is the way they are covered in the media. If Trump trips on a pothole, he’s incompetent to be president. If Biden falls down the stairs, off a bike, sleeps in a meeting, connects with Hawaiians on a kitchen-fire level, reads parenthetical on a teleprompter… radio silence from the media. It’s ridiculous. Media also stretches the crap out of what Trump did. I’ve gone over it too many times here so I won’t do that again, but… “good people on both sides” “insurrection”… all of that was completely disingenuous reporting that went unchecked, and we just went about our lives. 

I honestly wouldn’t give a crap if they covered both of their ridiculousness equally. But they’re clearly protecting one guy because they want him to be President (or one of his handlers), and specifically targeting another guy because they don’t want him to be President. People think Trump wanted to “end democracy” based on what he’s SAID, look at what the media has actually DONE the last 8 years. They’ve controlled everything. You could piss off a hell of a lot less conservatives and even independents at this point if you just reduced the obvious double standard. 

[GMDino]

(09-22-2023, 01:08 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: I’m not saying it’s not happening on both sides. But it’s a different kind of embarrassing coming from Trump. The big difference to me is the way they are covered in the media. If Trump trips on a pothole, he’s incompetent to be president. If Biden falls down the stairs, off a bike, sleeps in a meeting, connects with Hawaiians on a kitchen-fire level, reads parenthetical on a teleprompter… radio silence from the media. It’s ridiculous. Media also stretches the crap out of what Trump did. I’ve gone over it too many times here so I won’t do that again, but… “good people on both sides” “insurrection”… all of that was completely disingenuous reporting that went unchecked, and we just went about our lives. 

I honestly wouldn’t give a crap if they covered both of their ridiculousness equally. But they’re clearly protecting one guy because they want him to be President (or one of his handlers), and specifically targeting another guy because they don’t want him to be President. People think Trump wanted to “end democracy” based on what he’s SAID, look at what the media has actually DONE the last 8 years. They’ve controlled everything. You could piss off a hell of a lot less conservatives and even independents at this point if you just reduced the obvious double standard. 

How do you know all these things Biden does if the media doesn't cover any of it?

[hollodero]

(09-22-2023, 01:08 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: I’m not saying it’s not happening on both sides.

Color me positively surprised.

(09-22-2023, 01:08 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: But it’s a different kind of embarrassing coming from Trump. The big difference to me is the way they are covered in the media. If Trump trips on a pothole, he’s incompetent to be president. If Biden falls down the stairs, off a bike, sleeps in a meeting, connects with Hawaiians on a kitchen-fire level, reads parenthetical on a teleprompter… radio silence from the media. It’s ridiculous. Media also stretches the crap out of what Trump did. I’ve gone over it too many times here so I won’t do that again, but… “good people on both sides” “insurrection”… all of that was completely disingenuous reporting that went unchecked, and we just went about our lives. 

I honestly wouldn’t give a crap if they covered both of their ridiculousness equally. But they’re clearly protecting one guy because they want him to be President (or one of his handlers), and specifically targeting another guy because they don’t want him to be President. People think Trump wanted to “end democracy” based on what he’s SAID, look at what the media has actually DONE the last 8 years. They’ve controlled everything. You could piss off a hell of a lot less conservatives and even independents at this point if you just reduced the obvious double standard. 

This is just where I have difficulties to follow, for the one reason that there is a self-declared most trusted news channel that is number one in ratings and all, that somehow manages to not be seen as part of "the media". Which, of course, they absolutely are. The media as such consists of left leaning channels that (in parts, I'd say) actually do as you describe, and there's conservative-leaning ones that do the exact reversal from what you describe, being all pro-Trump and anti-liberal and tossing away all facts and reason while doing so. And I for one can not tell which side is more influential or powerful. But that's also imho a case where only scolding one side makes little sense.

[LSUfaninTN]

(09-22-2023, 02:39 PM)hollodero Wrote: Color me positively surprised.



This is just where I have difficulties to follow, for the one reason that there is a self-declared most trusted news channel that is number one in ratings and all, that somehow manages to not be seen as part of "the media". Which, of course, they absolutely are. The media as such consists of left leaning channels that (in parts, I'd say) actually do as you describe, and there's conservative-leaning ones that do the exact reversal from what you describe, being all pro-Trump and anti-liberal and tossing away all facts and reason while doing so. And I for one can not tell which side is more influential or powerful. But that's also imho a case where only scolding one side makes little sense.

It’s not just mainstream news though. You can verify that China is funding schools in the south, buying farmland next to military bases, and flying spy balloons. You can verify that Hunter Biden took millions of dollars from China in a field he had no experience in, and there’s a mysterious “big guy” who gets a cut. You can verify, by source of the national archives, that Biden used 3 aliases in 5400 emails, including ones to his son. As far as you saying “there are conservative MSM and liberal MSM” wrong. There’s one MSM one, which gets bashed constantly by all celebrities, all late night talk show hosts, most podcasts, and most radio hosts. These are ignored by rational people like most of the people on this board, but not by the majority of the population who also votes. These airheads who voice their one sided opinions and ignore Biden’s failures have a lot of pull in people’s voting habits. And the dude is protected by 90% of the media and people on television and I don’t see how you can deny it. You don’t need to verify from news sources the examples of Biden being a total idiot on camera. I don’t need sources other than that. Despite that, radio silence from media, late night talk shows, famous people on Twitter who aren’t right wingers… the stuff that average people get all their info from. Who talks about this stuff other than Fox News, which, like I said, takes a beating that MSNBC and CNN don’t take? Who talks about it in person? Joe Rogan is the only non right leaning guy who covers it, and he verifies sources on the show and they never include solely Fox News. Bill Maher even ignores it and says “Biden is doing a great job” and is still holding on to the Russia collusion crap. Howard Stern completely ignores all of it. 

I agree, scolding one side makes little sense. Scold both sides. I swear, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Trump is a moron in a lot of ways. His policies were working better though. It’s character assassination and identity politics. And it’s working. It’s sad.  

[hollodero]

(09-22-2023, 09:13 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: It’s not just mainstream news though. You can verify that China is funding schools in the south, buying farmland next to military bases, and flying spy balloons. You can verify that Hunter Biden took millions of dollars from China in a field he had no experience in, and there’s a mysterious “big guy” who gets a cut. You can verify, by source of the national archives, that Biden used 3 aliases in 5400 emails, including ones to his son.

You can not verify that these things have anything to do with each other though. I'm not saying so because I adore Biden, I do not. I'm a spectator, and a part of me probably even would want you to find something conclusive, for I'm here for the show really. But what you actually have is not conclusive, and just too thin. I wouldn't report on it much in my newspaper, would I own one.

(09-22-2023, 09:13 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: As far as you saying “there are conservative MSM and liberal MSM” wrong. There’s one MSM one, which gets bashed constantly by all celebrities, all late night talk show hosts, most podcasts, and most radio hosts. These are ignored by rational people like most of the people on this board, but not by the majority of the population who also votes. These airheads who voice their one sided opinions and ignore Biden’s failures have a lot of pull in people’s voting habits. And the dude is protected by 90% of the media and people on television and I don’t see how you can deny it. You don’t need to verify from news sources the examples of Biden being a total idiot on camera. I don’t need sources other than that. Despite that, radio silence from media, late night talk shows, famous people on Twitter who aren’t right wingers…

I don't deny any of that, there's truth to it. If you extend media to shows films etc, then yes the media is overwhelmingly left-leaning and that is a tough battleground for conservatives.
Where I have an issue with is that this is your explanation for everything, and also your excuse for everything. Trump did not just get ridiculed on a daily basis out of a habit to bash conservatives - he was ridiculed on a daily basis because he did or said something ridiculus on a daily basis. And not to dismiss the senior moments of Biden, which are certainly happening more often than would be ideal, to put it mildly. They are mostly not the same thing that Trump got ridiculed for. And sure, if Trump had said God save the Queen or something like that, he'd get mocked for it too, way more than Biden did get mocked, that is probably true. But it's just complacent to leave it at that. Trump also said things like he had fallen in love with north Koreas gory dictator. And the next day, he probably said something equally absurd, like the day before. Or let crazies like Rudy talk for him, blasting out a wild conspiracy or whatever. That kind of thing will get you bashed, and it would get Biden bashed too. There's just a different quality to it and Biden doing weird Biden stuff does not come close to any of it.

(09-22-2023, 09:13 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: the stuff that average people get all their info from. Who talks about this stuff other than Fox News, which, like I said, takes a beating that MSNBC and CNN don’t take?

Yeah you know why that is, because FOX is even worse. In pretty much every respect. They are even more blatantly partisan, even more opinionated, even less factual, even more falling for unconfirmed conspiracy crap, and oh boy they lead their audience into each and every rabbit hole. Scandal upcoming, bombshell here, bombshell there, remember the Nunes memo for example? No one does, but for weeks it was the one big thing, until some other big thing turned out to be a complete dud, and it never stopped for years. They don't just spin, they lie. They don't just favor a politician, they completely roll over for him and call him genius and viral and powerful and stuff MSNBC would never ever say about Biden or anyone. Hannity called Trump multiple times a week, so it's said, and it's probably true, how can such a personal relation lead to any meaningful reporting? Their anchors defend themselves in court by claiming no reasonable person would take them seriously. That is the kind of stuff that gets you a beating CNN or MSNBC doesn't get, because they are demonstrably worse. And they lose massive lawsuits over it.

Aside from that, sure. FOX goes after Biden, MSNBC goes after Trump, they are both partisan and both pretty awful as a news station. I get that.

(09-22-2023, 09:13 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote:  Who talks about it in person? Joe Rogan is the only non right leaning guy who covers it, and he verifies sources on the show and they never include solely Fox News. Bill Maher even ignores it and says “Biden is doing a great job” and is still holding on to the Russia collusion crap.

Yeah that's because Russian collusion is not just crap. And I find it a piece of cognitive dissonance to still run around and calling it "crap". You might find many flaws with the narrative, that is fair, but you have to acknowledge what was there. It's plenty, just looking at it openly, flipping through Muller's report, going through the many indictments and the convictions that resulted, or aall what was in between.
Just as one example of many, it was Trump that decided the greatest guy to run his campaign would be Paul Manafort, who does it for free! And maybe he could not have known that he is already surveilled by the FBI for years. But the simplest of vetting would have revealed that he is a Kremlin asset, as in taking in millions from Russia to lobby for their cause in all kinds of places. Oh, and he's in debt with an oligarch and therefore meets him regularly to talk about the campaign. Now just stop there, think for one moment if that had come out about Hillary's campaign manager, or Biden's. The scandal would already be complete. Wouldn't it? I usually get no answer to this question, but you don't seem like the shy type and might just provide one.

"Crap" is something else than that, and then some.

(09-22-2023, 09:13 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: I agree, scolding one side makes little sense. Scold both sides. I swear, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Trump is a moron in a lot of ways. His policies were working better though. It’s character assassination and identity politics. And it’s working. It’s sad.  

The one person that does the best job of assassinating Trump's character is Trump. I for one don't need any media people to tell me that, following him on twitter alone was sufficient to reach that conclusion. If you're a moron, hostile media might paint you as such without hesitation. Of course this evolves a victim mythology, and sadly that is working. Why else go for the moron three times in a row.

[LSUfaninTN]

(09-23-2023, 06:35 PM)hollodero Wrote: You can not verify that these things have anything to do with each other though. I'm not saying so because I adore Biden, I do not. I'm a spectator, and a part of me probably even would want you to find something conclusive, for I'm here for the show really. But what you actually have is not conclusive, and just too thin. I wouldn't report on it much in my newspaper, would I own one.



I don't deny any of that, there's truth to it. If you extend media to shows films etc, then yes the media is overwhelmingly left-leaning and that is a tough battleground for conservatives.
Where I have an issue with is that this is your explanation for everything, and also your excuse for everything. Trump did not just get ridiculed on a daily basis out of a habit to bash conservatives - he was ridiculed on a daily basis because he did or said something ridiculus on a daily basis. And not to dismiss the senior moments of Biden, which are certainly happening more often than would be ideal, to put it mildly. They are mostly not the same thing that Trump got ridiculed for. And sure, if Trump had said God save the Queen or something like that, he'd get mocked for it too, way more than Biden did get mocked, that is probably true. But it's just complacent to leave it at that. Trump also said things like he had fallen in love with north Koreas gory dictator. And the next day, he probably said something equally absurd, like the day before. Or let crazies like Rudy talk for him, blasting out a wild conspiracy or whatever. That kind of thing will get you bashed, and it would get Biden bashed too. There's just a different quality to it and Biden doing weird Biden stuff does not come close to any of it.



Yeah you know why that is, because FOX is even worse. In pretty much every respect. They are even more blatantly partisan, even more opinionated, even less factual, even more falling for unconfirmed conspiracy crap, and oh boy they lead their audience into each and every rabbit hole. Scandal upcoming, bombshell here, bombshell there, remember the Nunes memo for example? No one does, but for weeks it was the one big thing, until some other big thing turned out to be a complete dud, and it never stopped for years. They don't just spin, they lie. They don't just favor a politician, they completely roll over for him and call him genius and viral and powerful and stuff MSNBC would never ever say about Biden or anyone. Hannity called Trump multiple times a week, so it's said, and it's probably true, how can such a personal relation lead to any meaningful reporting? Their anchors defend themselves in court by claiming no reasonable person would take them seriously. That is the kind of stuff that gets you a beating CNN or MSNBC doesn't get, because they are demonstrably worse. And they lose massive lawsuits over it.

Aside from that, sure. FOX goes after Biden, MSNBC goes after Trump, they are both partisan and both pretty awful as a news station. I get that.



Yeah that's because Russian collusion is not just crap. And I find it a piece of cognitive dissonance to still run around and calling it "crap". You might find many flaws with the narrative, that is fair, but you have to acknowledge what was there. It's plenty, just looking at it openly, flipping through Muller's report, going through the many indictments and the convictions that resulted, or aall what was in between.
Just as one example of many, it was Trump that decided the greatest guy to run his campaign would be Paul Manafort, who does it for free! And maybe he could not have known that he is already surveilled by the FBI for years. But the simplest of vetting would have revealed that he is a Kremlin asset, as in taking in millions from Russia to lobby for their cause in all kinds of places. Oh, and he's in debt with an oligarch and therefore meets him regularly to talk about the campaign. Now just stop there, think for one moment if that had come out about Hillary's campaign manager, or Biden's. The scandal would already be complete. Wouldn't it? I usually get no answer to this question, but you don't seem like the shy type and might just provide one.

"Crap" is something else than that, and then some.



The one person that does the best job of assassinating Trump's character is Trump. I for one don't need any media people to tell me that, following him on twitter alone was sufficient to reach that conclusion. If you're a moron, hostile media might paint you as such without hesitation. Of course this evolves a victim mythology, and sadly that is working. Why else go for the moron three times in a row.

You forgot CNN, every celebrity in Hollywood (except the cancelled ones), and all social media outlets. Fox News is the only main source that does not go after Trump. And for the most part, they just show videos of Biden. If we’re comparing parallels, they called Trump senile, suffering from dementia, and wanted a cognitive test when he made a random tweet (“covfefe”) while they ignore the fact that our current President shakes hands with ghosts. It’s unacceptable. 

The Russia thing is crap. Reasons I know it’s crap:

1) 2 year investigation
2) Steele dossier, which to me, says that they knew there was no collusion
3) There is absolutely no reason or motive for Putin to get Trump elected. Trump was the last person Russia wanted to get elected. The one thing they have is oil and they want to decrease the US’s influence on the price of oil as well as weaken our economy. They spread propaganda on drilling over holy land (Dakota Access Pipeline) when it was 100 miles south. Look at the map! The crippling of the economy did not happen under Trump, but they are happening under Biden. Why would Putin shoot himself in the foot? None of it’s been proven, it never will be, and Putin only has motive to NOT get Trump elected. Trump was a lot harder on Russia than Biden or Obama was in every way other than his rhetoric. The argument makes no sense. And, why wouldn’t he collude in the second one?

Trump is good at giving the liberal media fuel to twist his words. But he does not character assassinate himself. His bedside manner is what bothers people. I’ve used this example a few times, but a perfect example is when he says he wants to build a wall, he gets called xenophobic. When the NYC mayor says illegals will be the death of NYC, when Martha’s Vineyard couldn’t even handle 50 before they called the national guard to get them out, radio silence. I’m tired of the double standard. 

Your point about the media not having it out for conservatives. They called DeSantis a white supremacist and all the typical buzzwords, the only reason they’ve left him and the other candidates alone is because they won’t get the nomination.  

[hollodero]

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: You forgot CNN, every celebrity in Hollywood (except the cancelled ones), and all social media outlets.

CNN is not quite that bad for me, though I will certainly not deny they have their issues. As for the rest, how did I forget them? I clearly stated that the media is a tough battle ground for conservatives, if you extend the term to films and shows and such. When it comes to news media, the picture is less one-sided. FOX can not brag about being number 1 and then claim they are not really a significant part of the news media.

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: The Russia thing is crap. Reasons I know it’s crap:

1) 2 year investigation
2) Steele dossier, which to me, says that they knew there was no collusion

These aren't reasons to know it's crap. The investigations did not turn out empty, not even when it comes to Trump, but especially when it comes to some of his advisors or campaign managers. The Steele dossier played little part in any of it, no one but angry conservatives and late night hosts quotes the uncorroborated allegations in there.

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: 3) There is absolutely no reason or motive for Putin to get Trump elected. Trump was the last person Russia wanted to get elected. The one thing they have is oil and they want to decrease the US’s influence on the price of oil as well as weaken our economy. They spread propaganda on drilling over holy land (Dakota Access Pipeline) when it was 100 miles south. Look at the map! The crippling of the economy did not happen under Trump, but they are happening under Biden. Why would Putin shoot himself in the foot?

Geez, why? If that were his motivation, he would never have invaded Ukraine, which brings him about all the damage and then some you claim he was so afraid of. On the other hand, there is one huge reason for Putin to prefer Trump - he wanted to weaken NATO and Trump was the candidate who would make that more likely. And that is absolutely a huge part of Russia's efforts, they don't even treat that as a secret. And influence campaigns like in the US happened in other democracies too, and it always are the same kind of people Putin supports one way or another all over Europe. The nationalistic right-wing populists (in Germany also the left-wing populists) that are not exactly keen on working together with other democracies and are very critical of EU or NATO. That was his reason.
And I don't need to speculate on that really. That these influence campaigns happened and happened on behalf of Trump is very well documented, not least by Mueller.

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: None of it’s been proven, it never will be, and Putin only has motive to NOT get Trump elected. Trump was a lot harder on Russia than Biden or Obama was in every way other than his rhetoric. The argument makes no sense. And, why wouldn’t he collude in the second one?

Probably because his hopes haven't materialized and he was about focusing on doing his Ukraine war anyway.

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: Trump is good at giving the liberal media fuel to twist his words. But he does not character assassinate himself. His bedside manner is what bothers people. I’ve used this example a few times, but a perfect example is when he says he wants to build a wall, he gets called xenophobic. When the NYC mayor says illegals will be the death of NYC, when Martha’s Vineyard couldn’t even handle 50 before they called the national guard to get them out, radio silence. I’m tired of the double standard.

This point makes some sense for itself, but it's also quite selective to reduce the whole picture to these examples. Yep, Trump was called some things that might not have been fair, but he was also called some things that were absolutely fair.

(09-23-2023, 08:56 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: Your point about the media not having it out for conservatives.  

Again, I never made such a point.