President Harris...

[GMDino]

(11-20-2021, 11:13 PM)Sled21 Wrote: The Govt. ok'd it. The creator of the vaccine said not to do it for children. Does that not concern you? I'm fully vaccinated and will be getting a booster, but if I had young children there is no way.

Are you talking about this guy who hasn't worked for Pfizer since 2011?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/18/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-not-linked-deaths-children/8584681002/

Quote:The claim: Children are 50 times more likely to die from the COVID-19 vaccine than the virus


After months of waiting for Food and Drug Administration authorization, children are next in line to receive COVID-19 vaccines. But some on social media claim they may be better off unvaccinated.


“Children are 50 times more likely to be killed by the COVID vaccines than the virus itself,” reads a Nov. 5 Instagram post, which acquired more than 3,000 likes in one week. The post attributes the quote to “Dr. Michael Yeadon, former Pfizer VP.”


Yeadon was a chief scientific officer and vice president at Pfizer before he left in 2011 after more than 16 years at the company. Since then, he has become a source of misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccines, Reuters reported.

The claim in the Instagram post stems from something Yeadon said during a June interview with Steve Bannon, once a strategist for former President Donald Trump. 


“It’s a crazy thing to vaccinate (children) with something that is actually 50 times more likely to kill them than the virus itself,” Yeadon said.


That’s false. 


Clinical trial data shows the COVID-19 vaccines do not pose a risk of death to children. Public health officials say the shots can prevent serious illness, and experts say their benefits outweigh their risks.

USA TODAY reached out to Yeadon and the person who shared the Instagram post for comment.


Vaccine not linked to death
For children, the overall risk of death from COVID-19 is low. But they have not been entirely spared from the virus. 


Provisional data from the National Center for Health Statistics shows 700 kids under the age of 18 have died from the virus. More than 200 of them were younger than 4 years old.


The same can’t be said of the vaccine.


“In the U.S., no child has died from the vaccine, but over 600 have died from COVID,” Dr. Leana Wen, a professor of health policy and management at George Washington University, said in an email. “(Yeadon’s) claim is completely untrue.”


In Pfizer's clinical trials for children 5 to 11 years old, no deaths from the COVID-19 vaccine were recorded. Additionally, no deaths were reported among Pfizer vaccine recipients during trials for those between 12 and 25 years old. The Moderna vaccine trials had a similar result. 

Between December and July, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention received 14 reports of death among 12- to 17-year-olds after receiving the vaccine. But the vaccine was not determined to be the cause of death in any of those cases, according to Dr. Sonja Rasmussen, a professor in the University of Florida’s departments of pediatrics and epidemiology.


“The benefits of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death in children far outweigh the potential risks,” Rasmussen said in an email.


Shots will prevent infections, deaths
Getting children vaccinated against COVID-19 could prevent thousands of infections and hospitalizations, according to the CDC.


During a late-August discussion, the CDC estimated that, for children between 16 and 17 years old, one million COVID-19 vaccinations over 120 days would prevent about 135,000 cases, 1,000 hospitalizations and eight deaths. 



That analysis also predicted about 81 children would experience myocarditis, a rare inflammation of the heart muscle.


But the CDC determined the hospitalization of adolescents with COVID-19 would, on average, last longer and be more serious than that of children with myocarditis. And people are six to 34 times more likely to experience the condition after a COVID-19 infection than they are following vaccination, according to the agency.
When Bannon asked him to back up his assertions, Yeadon pointed to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System as evidence.


But as USA TODAY has reported, the database cannot be used to determine the cause of adverse side effects from vaccines. Anti-vaccine advocates have misconstrued VAERS reports for decades.

The database includes all adverse events reported after vaccination against COVID-19, whether they were related to the vaccine or not. Anyone can report adverse events to VAERS, and they are not verified before publication, according to the CDC.


“This is a common misuse of VAERS data,” Dr. Dean Blumberg, chief of pediatric diseases at the University of California-Davis Medical Center, said in an email. “It’s important to understand that VAERS data cannot be used to prove causation, it is used to look for safety signals.”


USA TODAY reached out to the CDC and Pfizer for comment. 


Our rating: False
Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that children are 50 times more likely to die from the COVID-19 vaccine than the virus. No child deaths have been linked to the vaccines. And experts and public health officials say children are more at risk from COVID-19 than the vaccines, which do not cause death.


Our fact check sources:

• LinkedIn, retrieved Nov. 11, Mike Yeadon
• Reuters, March 18, The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero
• Nature, July 15, Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children
• National Center for Health Statistics, updated Nov. 10, Provisional COVID-19 Deaths: Focus on Ages 0-18 Years
• Dr. Leana Wen, Nov. 11, email exchange with USA TODAY
• New England Journal of Medicine, Nov. 9, Evaluation of the BNT162b2 Covid-19 Vaccine in Children 5 to 11 Years of Age
• FDA, retrieved Nov. 12, Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) Amendment for an Unapproved Product Review Memorandum
• New England Journal of Medicine, Aug. 11, Evaluation of mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine in Adolescents
• CDC, Aug. 6, COVID-19 Vaccine Safety in Adolescents Aged 12-17 Years - United States, December 14, 2020-July 16, 2021
• Dr. Sonja Rasmussen, Nov. 11, email exchange with USA TODAY
• CDC, Aug. 30, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and myocarditis in individuals aged 16-29 years: Benefits-Risk Discussion
• USA TODAY, April 12, Fact check: CDC data on adverse effects of vaccine cannot determine cause
• USA TODAY, June 28, Fact check: Vaccine Adverse Reporting System isn't proof of COVID-19 vaccine deaths
• USA TODAY, Aug. 11, Fact check: Post misuses CDC data to make false claim on COVID-19 vaccine safety for youths
• CDC, retrieved Nov. 12, About the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
• Dr. Dean Blumburg, Nov. 11, email exchange with USA TODAY
• PolitiFact, May 3, Federal VAERS database is a critical tool for researchers, but a breeding ground for misinformation
• PolitiFact, Oct. 7, CDC does not show higher death rate from vaccines than from COVID-19 among kids
• Maldita.es, Aug. 31, Las afirmaciones falsas o sin evidencias del vídeo de Mike Yeadon en el que dice que los niños tienen 50 veces más probabilidades de morir por la vacuna contra la COVID-19 que por el virus
• Louisville Courier Journal, Sept. 28, What is myocarditis, and how does it relate to the COVID vaccine? Your questions answered
  

That is literally the first (and only) thing I saw close to your claim.

Once again maybe you have something to back it up...or you're just spreading false information that you believe due to your own personal bias.

I'm open to the facts if you got 'em.

[Sled21]

Notice how that article focused on only deaths? No mention of reproduction harm later in life? None of that has been studied, which is why he is against it. And I am not sure if this is the same guy, I heard him giving an interview months ago and don't remember his name. Again, it's what the press does not tell you. Lying by omission. The interview I listened to he was quoting the statistics showing very little risk of covid in children vs. a vaccine with no studies on long term effects. This is the old switchero.

[GMDino]

(11-20-2021, 11:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: Are you talking about this guy who hasn't worked for Pfizer since 2011?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/18/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-not-linked-deaths-children/8584681002/



That is literally the first (and only) thing I saw close to your claim.

Once again maybe you have something to back it up...or you're just spreading false information that you believe due to your own personal bias.

I'm open to the facts if you got 'em.

(11-21-2021, 10:52 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Notice how that article focused on only deaths? No mention of reproduction harm later in life? None of that has been studied, which is why he is against it. And I am not sure if this is the same guy, I heard him giving an interview months ago and don't remember his name. Again, it's what the press does not tell you. Lying by omission. The interview I listened to he was quoting the statistics showing very little risk of covid in children vs. a vaccine with no studies on long term effects. This is the old switchero.

So you have nothing except an interview you heard once from a guy who you don't remember but that you believe 100% vs all the other data presented.  

Yeah, I kind of figured that was where this was headed.

We're done now.

[Sled21]

(11-21-2021, 11:38 AM)GMDino Wrote:

So you have nothing except an interview you heard once from a guy who you don't remember but that you believe 100% vs all the other data presented.  

Yeah, I kind of figured that was where this was headed.

We're done now.

You blow off everything the vaccine creator said because I don't remember his name from his interview. Ok. You do you, I'll do me. If I had small children, I would wait to see long term effect studies. I'm old, so I personally don't worry about long term effects. If you want your kids to get it, have at it.

[GMDino]

I had to comment on this.  What's funny is you did that so bad you don't even get the irony of the photo you added to my quote.

Nonetheless you have presented exactly zero facts to back up your statement...and that's just THIS thread.

Used to be people around here took poster more to task when they replied with gifs and images instead of a legitimate response. I get the feeling I know why you won't be treated the same.

[*Nately120*]

(11-20-2021, 11:23 AM)Sled21 Wrote: If you really think Biden is running anything, you are pretty much delusional. Everytime he opens his trap, his staff has to correct him, like his statement about no way illegal immigrants will get half million dollar payments, or the submarine deal with Australia. He is a figurehead and nothing more, has no clue about anything going on,  and his biggest chore everyday is trying not to crap his pants.

According to the internet, we are onto our 2nd president in a row who shits his pants all day.  

That kid in my class back in kindergarten who declared that the president is a poopy pants was a damn prophet. 

[Arturo Bandini]

(11-20-2021, 11:23 AM)Sled21 Wrote: If you really think Biden is running anything, you are pretty much delusional. Everytime he opens his trap, his staff has to correct him, like his statement about no way illegal immigrants will get half million dollar payments, or the submarine deal with Australia. He is a figurehead and nothing more, has no clue about anything going on,  and his biggest chore everyday is trying not to crap his pants.

He might have his moments but he is far from citing airports from independance war, making the whole UN rolling on the floor laughing, being mocked over the world on daily basis and suggesting injecting bleach in blood.

Where were you the last 4 years.

Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV ... 

BTW, I really don't care, do U ?

[*jason*]

(11-21-2021, 10:52 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Notice how that article focused on only deaths? No mention of reproduction harm later in life? None of that has been studied, which is why he is against it. And I am not sure if this is the same guy, I heard him giving an interview months ago and don't remember his name. Again, it's what the press does not tell you. Lying by omission. The interview I listened to he was quoting the statistics showing very little risk of covid in children vs. a vaccine with no studies on long term effects. This is the old switchero.

Going back to the polio vaccine, there has never been a long term side effect in any vaccine that has been made widely available in the US.

[Sled21]

(11-25-2021, 08:14 PM)jason Wrote: Going back to the polio vaccine, there has never been a long term side effect in any vaccine that has been made widely available in the US.

Ok, so what it the time period of study for all those compared to the time period of study for the rona vaccines? Like I said, I took it, if I had young kids they would not until it had the same studies done as every other vaccine. The risk to children is nill.

[GMDino]

(11-25-2021, 08:14 PM)jason Wrote: Going back to the polio vaccine, there has never been a long term side effect in any vaccine that has been made widely available in the US.

And no one went back and "researched" it when they got it.  And no one is "researching" every other thing they put in their bodies on a daily basis.  They just heard a guy once....