Progressive media trying to normalize pedophilia

[Rotobeast]

(09-28-2015, 01:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, what can you do?  No matter where you move there is going to be someone who wants to sleep with your wife, maybe sleep with your children, and there are probably a number of people who own guns and have mental issues and/or criminal records.  That's why I live in the center of the earth!

Center of the earth, or middle-earth ?

[BmorePat87]

Interesting thread:

-The liberal media is trying to normalize pedophilia!!!!
-No, I think it's just a story about a guy who explains his attraction and that he doesn't actually act on it
-You're defending pedophilia!!!!!
-No, I'm just explaining how no all pedos are rapists/predators...
-I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE DEFENDING PEDOPHILIA!!!!!!
-No, I'm not, in fact, I am going to point out that it is rightfully illegal to act upon your attraction physically or with the use of pornography...
-HERP DERP!!!!

I avoided this thread on my work wifi. Looks like I didn't miss much.

[Blutarsky]

(09-24-2015, 01:59 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I think you're missing an obvious point here. Listen, I think people that are attracted to children are just as ***** up as you do, especially since I have children of my own. That's not the point though, and people keep trying to explain that.

The issue is, it really doesn't make sense that they're a ticking time bomb whatsoever. I'm not sure why your mind is automatically jumping to sexual assault when you hear that somebody is attracted to someone/something that you (and I as well) deem "not normal".

Most people in my neighborhood are attracted to white women. I prefer black women. That could be extremely common knowledge, yet I highly doubt any black families are going to stop themselves from moving in down the street in fear of me tackling them in their driveway to sexually assault them. I'm not a rapist, I have a total of zero felonies on my record, and I've done nothing to suggest that I would rape a black woman outside of it being known that I'm attracted to black women (which obviously doesn't suggest that at all). I could completely understand people freaking out if I ran down the street screaming "I'VE NEVER SEEN A BLACK WOMAN THAT I HAVEN'T WANTED TO RAPE, MMMMMMMM YEAH WHERE YA AT LADIES?!?". As it stands, just the fact that you're attracted to someone or something doesn't mean that you're going to break law to assault them.

I do understand where you're coming from in a sense (feels weird saying that), but you're completely missing the entire point of this. I know, I know, kids can't defend themselves and whatnot, but it doesn't change the fact that these people with the "sick" thoughts in their head aren't just running around trying to bang your kids or anyone elses for that matter.

Lol...I must agree, your attraction toward black women is right up there with being attracted to children or other men. Ya gotta be a real weirdo!

[GMDino]

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/im_a_pedophile_youre_the_monsters_my_week_inside_the_vile_right_wing_hate_machine/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

I’m a pedophile, you’re the monsters: My week inside the vile right-wing hate machine
My pedophilia essay outraged the right. My attempt to humanize a real problem brought out their nastiest rage

Quote:What I want to focus on now is the continuing misconceptions, prevailing fears and willful ignorance I’ve encountered because of this, both about pedophilia itself and about Virtuous Pedophiles as an organization. My experiences doing the Niall Boylan Show (Irish talk radio) and the Dr. Drew on Call TV show taught me that pedophilia is still largely a gut-level issue for a lot of people. One caller to the radio show said that she didn’t want to know what pedophiles think and lambasted the show itself for even giving me a platform. I told her that no problem was ever solved by refusing to understand the issue. We’ve been in that mode for a few decades now—has it fixed the tragedies of child abuse and child porn? Nope. If anything, this attitude has only increased the problem, since pedophiles at risk of offending are unlikely to seek help in this severely hostile environment. This caller fancied herself a reasonable person, but she decided this issue was beyond any reason. Unfortunately, this viewpoint is all too common.

Another point that arose on Dr. Drew was that pedophiles are by nature compulsive. This opinion comes from the extant data, almost all of which is based on people who’ve been arrested, since non-offending pedophiles tend not to self-identify or participate in studies. What do you think that data is going to show? Yes, criminals are often compulsive, but this data says little about people like me, who haven’t offended. This point should be obvious, but these kinds of statements demonstrate the dearth of levelheadedness when it comes to this issue. Logic gets chucked out the window. Dr. Drew himself even suggested that, because I was using hydrocodone, I might’ve abused kids without knowing it. First off, I never took more than two or three pills a day, well within what is generally prescribed, even though they weren’t being prescribed to me. I never blacked out or even came close to being out of touch with reality. I’m neither stupid nor a massive risk taker. And being a doctor, he should’ve known that opiates pretty much obliterate your libido anyway.

Nearly all of the callers suggested I seek professional help myself, as did Dr. Drew. Well, I already tried that . . . more than once. My counselors were nice guys, but there was little they could do for me. They knew they couldn’t “cure” me of my sexuality—that doesn’t workon anyone and it won’t work for us. All they could do was lend a sympathetic ear. Another caller said I should do whatever it takes until I’m rid of this. For those of you who feel this way, question: are you going to foot the bill for that? In case you missed it from the first article, I am quite poor. I can’t afford that, and my state, Tennessee, is one of those that turned down the new Medicaid funding, leaving me without medical insurance. I am far from the only pedophile in this situation. And again, even if I could afford it, what could they do for me? As well, a lot of pedophiles are afraid to seek medical help because of the mandatory reporting laws, fearing that they could be reported even if they’ve done nothing wrong.

As for VirPed, one of the panelists on the Dr. Drew show suggested that our forum was dangerous because we lacked oversight. I didn’t get a chance to respond to this (nor to several other accusations leveled at me, since everyone pretty much just talked over each other and I politely stayed quiet until addressed directly by Dr. Drew himself), so I want to answer that point here. First off, it isn’t like we are operating in secret. Membership is open to anyone, including non-pedophiles, providing they follow our rules and aren’t just there to make problems for us. We’ve also worked with notable experts in the field, most prominently Dr. James Cantor, who holds a membership on our forum. And there’s nothing stopping the authorities from joining our forum either; I have little doubt that they are there, looking over our shoulders. So we do have some oversight. Besides, all those pro-contacter forums we’re competing against have no oversight either. Should we shut our digital doors while those forums continue to operate, until we get an official stamp of approval? Remember: when it comes to anti-contact pedo forums, we’re the only game in town. That being said, I am officially extending an invitation to any experts, scholars, counselors or authority figures who wish to learn from us, or even keep a watchful eye on us. We have never closed our doors to anyone who didn’t mean us harm.

With regard to angry respondents to my article, the greatest amount of flak has come from the far right, who smeared Salon for daring to allow me to speak, as if silencing pedophiles somehow equates to fighting sexual abuse. I want to state for the record that the members of our forum come from all political, religious and philosophical stripes. We are a pretty diverse group, but we really don’t fight about God or politics internally—our mission is too important to get caught up in that. But according to Breitbart and company, since Salon was willing to publish my piece, it must mean they have some secret agenda to “normalize pedophilia.” The constant refrain of these folks is the old slippery slope argument, where they resort to appealing to people’s fear of a future where anyone can marry anyone, or anything. These ultra-conservatives reject the notion of pedophilia being a sexual orientation not on scientific grounds but on purely political ones. They resist the word that best fits our sexuality (which many experts are now using themselves); in so doing, they are assuming that people are too dumb to understand that a term does not justify an activity. It is merely recognition of a state of being.

John Sexton’s article for Breitbart attempted to paint me as a terrible person, since the author apparently had no good arguments against my actual position and never bothered to ask me to clarify the points he was confused about. First off, Sexton attacks me for not narking out the people at the pro-contacter forum who were supposedly doing illegal things. This is purely a straw man attack, since I never observed anyone there doing anything illegal or admitting to illegal activity (which is actually forbidden by that forum’s rules). Before I respond, I want to say that I considered naming the forum here. I didn’t want to, but since I’m being forced to defend myself on the grounds that I haven’t really been vigilant about my anti-contact position, with the implication that I was likely involved in immoral activities myself, I almost felt I had no choice. But ultimately, I decided it was worth weathering the accusations not to give that forum the publicity they so desperately seek. At the risk of embarrassing myself for some stupid things in the past, you can seek out my old Wikisposure page if you like; it’s still out there, doing its mischief, so it’s not hard to find the name of that site if you are truly interested.

[*bfine32*]

Try equating someone's actions on here to pedophilia and watch how fast it become a terrible thing.

[fredtoast]

(09-30-2015, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Try equating someone's actions on here to pedophilia and watch how fast it become a terrible thing.

Pedophilia is like religion.  There is no problem if you keep it to yourself and not force it on other people.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-30-2015, 01:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Pedophilia is like religion.  There is no problem if you keep it to yourself and not force it on other people.

Sure there is nothing wrong with only getting an erection when a 7 year old is around.

[GMDino]

(09-30-2015, 01:53 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure there is nothing wrong with only getting an erection when a 7 year old is around.

But enough about religion...

[BmorePat87]

(09-30-2015, 01:53 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure there is nothing wrong with only getting an erection when a 7 year old is around.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-30-2015, 01:53 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure there is nothing wrong with only getting an erection when a 7 year old is around.

I think they're called priests.

[*Nately120*]

(09-30-2015, 01:53 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure there is nothing wrong with only getting an erection when a 7 year old is around.

Erections don't rape people, people rape people.

[StoneTheCrow]

One day shopkeepers will be forced to make pedo cakes.

[Sovereign Nation]

(09-22-2015, 09:41 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: I'm a lot less worried about somebody who says "I have desires that I know I cannot act on" than the majority  of child molestors who all swear until they're dead that their dozens of victims are lying.

I don't think this article is "normalizing" pedophilia. It's exposing an uncomfortable reality that there are people, through nature or nurture,  who end up with this attraction. But until he touches anyone, the only crimes he's committed are inside his head. Unlike, say, ex-conservative darling Josh Duggar.

or Lena Dunham and Harvey Milk.  Who are still liberal darlings.

[Sovereign Nation]

(09-22-2015, 11:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Do we attack heterosexuality when a man rapes a woman? 

Don't you support feminism?  If so, they believe that instead of teaching women how not to get raped, we should instead teach men on not raping women.

I know you can't comprehend this, but that statement of theirs.... basically attacks all heterosexual men for being rapist.

[Sovereign Nation]

(09-30-2015, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Try equating someone's actions on here to pedophilia and watch how fast it become a terrible thing.

Yep....

How quick people are to forget the arguments against same sex marriage was:

"What next?  Pedophilia"

To which supporters cried out:

"Not fair... two totally different things! How dare you equate homosexuals with criminals!"

After all the Slippery Slope argument is just a fallacy and a myth.

[GodHatesBengals]

So we have someone with 21 posts, a reputation of 71, the nickname "Sovereign Nation" and an avatar of "himself" holding a gun.

And this person expects people not to automatically discern that this is somebody's alt account to troll with?

[Sovereign Nation]

(10-01-2015, 02:44 AM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: So we have someone with 21 posts, a reputation of 71, the nickname "Sovereign Nation" and an avatar of "himself" holding a gun.

And this person expects people not to automatically discern that this is somebody's alt account to troll with?

Been in Afghanistan for a while.... some people actually have lives away from the boards.


Just curious though, why do you hate guns?  I mean you seem a little upset that I have one in my avatar.  I did  climb a mountain when this was taken and I was again in Afghanistan and I deemed it a little prudent to carry my weapon.  Though that is probably just me though.

You can assume whatever you want about me, there is nothing I can do to stop you from doing so. 

Just out of curiosity.... who do you think I am the alt account for?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-01-2015, 03:52 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Been in Afghanistan for a while.... some people actually have lives away from the boards.


Just curious though, why do you hate guns?  I mean you seem a little upset that I have one in my avatar.  I did  climb a mountain when this was taken and I was again in Afghanistan and I deemed it a little prudent to carry my weapon.  Though that is probably just me though.

You can assume whatever you want about me, there is nothing I can do to stop you from doing so. 

Just out of curiosity.... who do you think I am the alt account for?

Who issued you an AK?  The Taliban?

[GMDino]

(10-01-2015, 01:45 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Yep....

How quick people are to forget the arguments against same sex marriage was:

"What next?  Pedophilia"

To which supporters cried out:

"Not fair... two totally different things! How dare you equate homosexuals with criminals!"

After all the Slippery Slope argument is just a fallacy and a myth.

When someone wants to make the equation that pedophilia is the same as being homosexual they are wrong.  On virtually every level.  Factually and contextually.

That has nothing to do with saying being attracted to children is wrong.  And acting on it is worse.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-30-2015, 08:28 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I think they're called priests.

You say that like I have supported any priests who break the law. I would hammer them as well . This is one of those laws that should have tougher enforcement. These people are a scourge on society.