Proof of evolution that you can find on your body

[MrRager]

(03-23-2016, 12:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: I think I was referring to the twisting of *this* thread.

Otherwise if you could provide a citation for Darwin saying that if an evolutionary trait isn't better than evolution isn't true and god made man out of whole cloth.  

Please.

Also, I don't think evolution necessarily means 100% better. It just means which traits were passed on due to survival. If another trait like better vision (or anything really) was passed down due to survival and the trait for ears turning was not, it would slowly be filtered out because that genetic material was not transferred to the offspring.  

Also, Bfine, what about the other things mentioned in the video and other seemingly worthless organs that humans have? What about the significant connection to malaria and the sickle cell trait?

Finally, I think people tend to forget about punctuated equilibrium in the context of evolution. I have not looked into it too much, but my highschool biology teacher subscribed to. Can anybody explain to be better what exactly is means better than the wiki? 

[SteelCitySouth]

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(03-23-2016, 09:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So you are suggesting you can discuss the human life cycle without discussing the begining?



As to proof in the OP I did provide it. I stated that that the is not "gain" in losing directional hearing. I have heard as answers:

We don't need it.

We never had it.

The hearing we have now is better.

Our brains cannot handle it and math.

ect.... 

Here are two more . . .

Hypothesis A:  Natural selection favored another trait.  For example, intelligence over directional ears.  If you're smart enough you can figure out where the sound is coming from instead of moving your ears.  Smarter individuals with less mobile ears would have a survival advantage over their less intelligent peers with more mobile ears.

Hypothesis B:  Women don't want to mate with men with large, movable ears.

Over generations, both of these hypotheses would result in natural selection against directional hearing.

Finally, this isn't directed at you, but more of a general statement: please learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.  When people say, "it's just a theory" they are confusing theory for hypothesis.  The germ theory of disease is a theory because we have a mountain of evidence to support the hypothesis that germs cause infectious disease.  It's not a guess.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(03-23-2016, 11:30 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I think his name was Charles Darwin.

That's not true.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/sep/17/darwin-evolution-religion

I've read claims Darwin was a Unitarian, but even that is disputed.

http://www.famousuus.com/bios/charles_darwin.htm

Darwin's religious beliefs were complicated and changed during his life time. He described himself differently throughout his life.  To claim he or his theory disproved a Christian god is completely false.  He himself stated a belief in evolution and theism aren't mutually exclusive.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(03-20-2016, 07:45 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: You can't answer it because you don't actually have an answer.  It is OK.  I have done my own research.  Just have a different conclusion than you do.

You repeating that we are doesn't make it true, you know? 

Sure the theory is accepted, but it is still just a theory and not proven.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.[1][2][3][4] Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[5] It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from, and in contrast to, the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". As used in everyday non-scientific speech, "theory" implies that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, conjecture, or hypothesis;[6] such a usage is the opposite of a scientific theory. These different usages are comparable to the differing, and often opposing, usages of the term "prediction" in science (less ambiguously called a "scientific prediction") versus "prediction" in non-scientific vernacular speech, the latter of which may even imply a mere hope.

[Bengalholic]

(03-20-2016, 07:56 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote:  Likewise, if a neighborhood of all whites, didn't want a black family to move in, they should be respected and no black should move in.  I believe blacks should have the same things available if they want as well.

So basically, you are an ardent supporter of discrimination based on skin color? 

[*bfine32*]

(03-23-2016, 02:27 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Hypothesis B:  Women don't want to mate with men with large, movable ears.

This reminds me of a true story Dino shared with me one time.

He and Ms Dino were sitting on their back porch when a spaceship landed and an Alien man and woman exited the craft.

The male approaches Dino and states "We are from a far distant galaxy and have come to learn your customs"

Dino "Great, what do you want to know?"

Mr Alien "How do you drink?"

Dino "With our mouths"

Mr Alien "We do it the same way. How do you smell?"

Dino "With our noses"

Mr Allien "Same here. How do you reproduce"

Dino "Well that is something that cannot be merely explained, it must be demonstrated. So in the name of science and the fact that i am a liberal and like to share everything; you take Ms Dino into the guest room and I will take Ms Alien into the master bedroom and we will conduct the study"

When Ms Dino and Mr Alien get in the room, Mr Alien takes off his space suit and Ms Dino say "We have a problem"

Mr Alien "What is the problem"

Ms Dino "Your penis is too small, it's about the size of a baby's pinky. It's even smaller than Mr Dino's"

Mr Alien "No problem" and reaches up and twists his right ear. The penis grows to an enormous length.

Ms Dino "OK, it is plenty long enough now, but unfortunately it is too skinny"

Mr Alien "No problem" and reaches up and twists his left ear. The penis grows to a tremendous girth

Ms Dino ""Great!!!; You remind me of bfine. We can now conduct the experiment"

Dino is in the master bedroom with Ms Alien and is knocking it out to the best of his ability, but all he can hear are moans of pleasure coming from the Guest room. Once Dino is finished he waits for Mr Alien to finish and then walks into the Guest Room and finds Ms Dino totally spent.

Dino says to Ms Dino "How was it?"

Ms Dino "It was perhaps the greatest sex I ever had in my life. How was it for you?"

Dino "It wasn't too bad but the bytch damn near twisted my ears off"

[GMDino]

(03-23-2016, 04:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This reminds me of a true story Dino shared with me one time.

He and Ms Dino were sitting on their back porch when a spaceship landed and an Alien man and woman exited the craft.

The male approaches Dino and states "We are from a far distant galaxy and have come to learn your customs"

Dino "Great, what do you want to know?"

Mr Alien "How do you drink?"

Dino "With our mouths"

Mr Alien "We do it the same way. How do you smell?"

Dino "With our noses"

Mr Allien "Same here. How do you reproduce"

Dino "Well that is something that cannot be merely explained, it must be demonstrated. So in the name of science and the fact that i am a liberal and like to share everything; you take Ms Dino into the guest room and I will take Ms Alien into the master bedroom and we will conduct the study"

When Ms Dino and Mr Alien get in the room, Mr Alien takes off his space suit and Ms Dino say "We have a problem"

Mr Alien "What is the problem"

Ms Dino "Your penis is too small, it's about the size of a baby's pinky. It's even smaller than Mr Dino's"

Mr Alien "No problem" and reaches up and twists his right ear. The penis grows to an enormous length.

Ms Dino "OK, it is plenty long enough now, but unfortunately it is too skinny"

Mr Alien "No problem" and reaches up and twists his left ear. The penis grows to a tremendous girth

Ms Dino ""Great!!!; You remind me of bfine. We can now conduct the experiment"

Dino is in the master bedroom with Ms Alien and is knocking it out to the best of his ability, but all he can hear are moans of pleasure coming from the Guest room. Once Dino is finished he waits for Mr Alien to finish and then walks into the Guest Room and finds Ms Dino totally spent.

Dino says to Ms Dino "How was it?"

Ms Dino "It was perhaps the greatest sex I ever had in my life. How was it for you?"

Dino "It wasn't too bad but the bytch damn near twisted my ears off"

 

[fredtoast]

(03-22-2016, 06:09 PM)Bengalzona Wrote:  Atheism is reliant upon believers.

If no one believed in god there would be no atheists?

Is that your argument?

[fredtoast]

(03-22-2016, 05:04 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Nihilists! **** me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

You're not wrong Walter.  You're just an asshole.

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 04:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You're not wrong Walter.  You're just an asshole.

You know, you could put that in quotation marks so that hot-headed trigger-happy Mods don't think you are calling another poster an "asshole".

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 04:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If no one believed in god there would be no atheists?

Is that your argument?

Is it not true?

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 05:02 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Is it not true?

Aren't people who don't believe in god atheist?

So if no one believed in god wouldn't everyone be an atheist?

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 05:01 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: You know, you could put that in quotation marks so that hot-headed trigger-happy Mods don't think you are calling another poster an "asshole".

I apologize.  I really should have though of a better quote.  Especially with my history of going off on people.  That was just one of the first one's that popped into my head.

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 05:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Aren't people who don't believe in god atheist?

So if no one believed in god wouldn't everyone be an atheist?

Don't you need someone's concept of a deity in order to decide that you don't believe in it?

[SteelCitySouth]

(03-23-2016, 05:02 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Is it not true?

It is not true.  

(03-23-2016, 05:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Aren't people who don't believe in god atheist?

So if no one believed in god wouldn't everyone be an atheist?

This is correct.

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 05:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I apologize.  I really should have though of a better quote.  Especially with my history of going off on people.  That was just one of the first one's that popped into my head.

Love that movie, though!

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 05:16 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: It is not true.  

This is correct.

Get back in the trunk, gimp!

[SteelCitySouth]

(03-23-2016, 05:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Get back in the trunk, gimp!

I've asked you over and over to stop calling your wife that.  

[*bfine32*]

(03-23-2016, 05:19 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: I've asked you over and over to stop calling your wife that.  

I had no idea you two were a couple.