Proof of evolution that you can find on your body

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 05:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I had no idea you two were a couple.

SCS and I have a 'special' relationship that you guys just wouldn't understand. We shared stories... experiences... wives... bodily fluids... I just don't think you guys are ready for it.

[SteelCitySouth]

(03-23-2016, 05:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I had no idea you two were a couple.

Yes.  I service his wife from time to time.  She tires of the smallish wang he has.

[SteelCitySouth]

(03-23-2016, 05:23 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: SCS and I have a 'special' relationship that you guys just wouldn't understand. We shared stories... experiences... wives... bodily fluids... I just don't think you guys are ready for it.

And then you explain it.  

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 05:24 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Yes.  I service his wife from time to time.  She tires of the smallish wang he has.

I bought a new one that is much larger just for you. It is still not as big as the one I was born with, but we both know how much that hurts and stretches everyone out of shape.

(03-23-2016, 05:25 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: And then you explain it.  

I can't quite you, cowboy! :heart:

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 05:16 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Don't you need someone's concept of a deity in order to decide that you don't believe in it?

No.

If I had never heard of a god I certainly would not believe in one.

[GMDino]

(03-23-2016, 06:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.

If I had never heard of a god I certainly would not believe in one.

Exactly.

If no one believed in any god than everyone would just everyone.

There's no such thing as the word "atheist" if there is no "theist".

[BengalHawk62]

(03-23-2016, 05:01 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: You know, you could put that in quotation marks so that hot-headed trigger-happy Mods don't think you are calling another poster an "asshole".

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!


(didn't want to offend any of the constituents around here so used the censored version instead)
 

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 06:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: Exactly.

If no one believed in any god than everyone would just everyone.

There's no such thing as the word "atheist" if there is no "theist".

But there would still be people who do not believe in god.  Changing what you call them does not mean they would not exist.

If you flew to another planet and discovered that no one there believed in god would you say there were NO atheists there?

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 06:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.

If I had never heard of a god I certainly would not believe in one.

But you also did not make a decision not to believe in one as well (i.e. a conscious decision to reject belief in one).

And atheism, as defined by Brownshoe, is "rejection of the notion that there is a God".

How can you reject a notion no one puts forth in the first place?

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 06:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: But you also did not make a decision not to believe in one as well (i.e. a conscious decision to reject belief in one).

And atheism, as defined by Brownshoe, is "rejection of the notion that there is a God".

How can you reject a notion no one puts forth in the first place?

"Atheism" is not defined by Brownshoe.

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 06:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: "Atheism" is not defined by Brownshoe.

This was the operational definition used in the conversation you stepped into.

So you have a different definition? Which one? The old one ("a belief that there is no God")? The newer "Let's co-op the agnostic definition to try and make them seem like atheists too" ("the absence of belief that any deities exist")? Maybe you have your own even, eh?

This is a fundamental problem with atheism: How do you define it, without referencing someone else's beliefs? And it ultimately comes down to the fact that someone else has decided to believe something and an atheist has chosen a position counter that.

As Dino noted about the terms "theist" and "atheist". These are from the Greek root term theo, which means relating to God or gods. The word 'atheo' ("godless, denying the gods") does not exist without the word 'theo'.

http://wordinfo.info/unit/2738

Frankly, I have a very hard time understanding why people who have a traditionally agnostic viewpoint can't accept the term 'agnostic'.

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 07:03 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: This is a fundamental problem with atheism: How do you define it, without referencing someone else's beliefs? And it ultimately comes down to the fact that someone else has decided to believe something and an atheist chosen a position counter that.

So a person who never heard of a god and does not believe in a god is not an atheist?  His beliefs are in no way dependent on another person's beliefs because he has never even heard of anyone's belief in a god.

What would you call a person like that?

[Benton]

to Fred: Agnostic.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-23-2016, 07:22 PM)Benton Wrote: to Fred: Agnostic.

That is my stance. I don't know and neither do you.

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 07:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So a person who never heard of a god and does not believe in a god is not an atheist?  His beliefs are in no way dependent on another person's beliefs because he has never even heard of anyone's belief in a god.

What would you call a person like that?

"A person who has never heard of anyone else's beliefs in a god"


Now. Does such a person exist?

[*bfine32*]

(03-23-2016, 07:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So a person who never heard of a god and does not believe in a god is not an atheist?  

No; because they have no concept to not believe in. 

[GMDino]

(03-23-2016, 06:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But there would still be people who do not believe in god.  Changing what you call them does not mean they would not exist.

If you flew to another planet and discovered that no one there believed in god would you say there were NO atheists there?

Yes.

Because you can't label someone as a nonbeliever (atheist) if they didn't even know there was an option to believe.

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 07:22 PM)Benton Wrote: to Fred: Agnostic.

(03-23-2016, 07:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes.

Because you can't label someone as a nonbeliever (atheist) if they didn't even know there was an option to believe.

Upon further review I guess that would be the best term.

[fredtoast]

(03-23-2016, 07:29 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Now. Does such a person exist?

Can you say for sure one does not exist?

[Bengalzona]

(03-23-2016, 08:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Can you say for sure one does not exist?

No. I can't say that.

Just that I don't think I have ever met one.