Proof of evolution that you can find on your body

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 03:38 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: No, atheism is the rejection of the notion that there is a God.

Based upon someone else's claim that there is a god? Without someone else's claim, this ideology would not exist. Correct?

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 03:53 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Based upon someone else's claim that there is a god? Without someone else's claim, this ideology would not exist. Correct?

Atheism isn't an ideology. It's just a rejection of the claim that there is a God.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:06 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Atheism isn't an ideology. It's just a rejection of the claim that there is a God.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideology

Quote:Full Definition of ideology
plural ide·ol·o·gies

1. 1 :  visionary theorizing
2. 2 a :  a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b :  a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c :  the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program
   

ide·ol·o·gist play \-jist\ noun

It is indeed an ideology. And it does not exist if there is no counter position where someone else claims that there is a deity/god.

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:11 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideology



It is indeed an ideology. And it does not exist if there is no counter position where someone else claims that there is a deity/god.

So do you think that believing Bigfoot isn't real an ideology?

[GMDino]

(03-22-2016, 03:10 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't bring the term up; someone else did. I merely pointed to the fact that they did and desribed it in its simpliest forms. I just erroneously used the term rock to describe an non-living object.

How can one discuss evolution without considering what we evolved from?

How we discuss how cheese is made without considering where the ingredients come from?

We are talking about the process...not the origin.

(03-22-2016, 03:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure you did; you posted it.

I posted a site that uses other passages to show how the phrase could be interpreted to NOT mean a sphere not to "prove god wrong" but to explain how the phrase from Isaiah could be over-simplified. 

I also explained my position that it does not matter at all if the bible said it "first" or not as long as "believers" understand that science has proven it to be true and that that proof is not ignored.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:14 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So do you think that believing Bigfoot isn't real an ideology?

It could be, if someone takes the counter position that bigfoot is real under definition 2.b. of the definition I posted.

An ideology is not the same as a belief, but an ideology may or may not include beliefs.

Atheism has become an ideology as it is reactive to its counter, religion, which is also an ideology. In recent years, atheism has sought to organize (Atheist International Alliance, American Atheists, etc.) and redefine itself (the current definition has been rewritten from the traditional to include more agnostic language such as "lack of belief" rather than "belief that there is no God). These are characteristic moves of an ideology.

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:18 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: It could be, if someone takes the counter position that bigfoot is real under definition 2.b. of the definition I posted.

An ideology is not the same as a belief, but an ideology may or may not include beliefs.

The rejection of a belief isn't an ideology.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:25 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The rejection of a belief isn't an ideology.

See my expanded post above.^

It is indeed an ideology and behaves as such.

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:33 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: See my expanded post above.^

It is indeed an ideology and behaves as such.

So is Star Wars an ideology, because there are Star Wars conventions?

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:36 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So is Star Wars an ideology, because there are Star Wars conventions?

Do they have a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture?

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:41 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Do they have a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture?

No, but neither does atheism.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:43 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: No, but neither does atheism.

Sure they do. You can find them at Atheist Alliance International, "committed to educating the public about atheism, secularism and related issues".

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:49 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Sure they do. You can find them at Atheist Alliance International, "committed to educating the public about atheism, secularism and related issues".

What are they then.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 04:51 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: What are they then.

You have eyes and a computer. Look it up. I ain't your *****.


And as I said before, atheists (no matter how they try to redefine themselves by incorporating the traditional definition of agnostics) exist only so long as there is a group that believes in a deity or deities. Is this not so?

[BengalHawk62]

Nihilists! **** me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[*Nately120*]

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 04:57 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: You have eyes and a computer. Look it up. I ain't your *****.


And as I said before, atheists (no matter how they try to redefine themselves by incorporating the traditional definition of agnostics) exist only so long as there is a group that believes in a deity or deities. Is this not so?

You're the one who is making the claim, so you have to show evidence of your claim that atheism has "a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture"

The rejection of any idea would only exist if someone brought up that specific idea. Just like the rejection of the idea that there is no unicorns or faeries only exists if someone suggests that there is.

[*michaelsean*]

(03-22-2016, 05:10 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: You're the one who is making the claim, so you have to show evidence of your claim that atheism has "a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture"

The rejection of any idea would only exist if someone brought up that specific idea. Just like the rejection of the idea that there is no unicorns or faeries only exists if someone suggests that there is.

People who reject unicorns don't organize and associate over that rejection.  

[Brownshoe]

(03-22-2016, 05:19 PM)michaelsean Wrote: People who reject unicorns don't organize and associate over that rejection.  

They would if enough people believed that there are unicorns and faeries.

[*michaelsean*]

(03-22-2016, 05:21 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: They would if enough people believed that there are unicorns and faeries.

Why?