Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill.

[*michaelsean*]

(06-19-2017, 04:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: If the voters who wanted it repealed understood they wouldn't be complaining about possibly losing their coverage when it's repealed.

That goes to the replacement part, and what i'm saying.  It's extremely difficult to dismantle a government program once it's in effect.  I wouldn't trust anything that didn't take a year or more to draw up.  

[Belsnickel]

(06-19-2017, 05:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That goes to the replacement part, and what i'm saying.  It's extremely difficult to dismantle a government program once it's in effect.  I wouldn't trust anything that didn't take a year or more to draw up.  

They won't be able to provide any alternative policy that will not result in people losing coverage unless they go more progressive with it. The model of the ACA was created by the Heritage Foundation and really is the most conservative policy tool for increasing access to health care via government intervention. They could take ten years, they aren't going to make it happen.

[Benton]

(06-19-2017, 04:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think that's what has a lot of people irritated about this. For 6 years we have heard nothing but repeal, or repeal and replace. They haven't just had a couple of weeks, the GOP has had 6 years to come up with a unifying policy alternative for their party. Instead, they are acting like the dog that caught the car.

(06-19-2017, 05:14 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Oh they've had more than a couple of weeks, I just think that's how long they took to write it a month ago or whatever.

That's the mind boggling part.

They (Republicans) brought the issue up repeatedly, voted again and again to repeal the bill when they knew they didn't have the votes. But at least they had a plan, at least most people thought they had some sort of alternative. After all, that's what they complained about... their (apparently nonexistent) ideas weren't included when given the opportunity. Leap forward to now, they still have no plan.

WTH!? 

It's like the people that try out for American Idol, the really horrible ones who can't sing. They talk in the pre-interview about how this is their goal, their big shot, their opportunity to make their dream come true... then they go William Hung. Congress has gone all William Hung. They're getting an opportunity to do what they want, and they're doing a really horrible job.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(06-19-2017, 06:26 PM)Benton Wrote: That's the mind boggling part.

They (Republicans) brought the issue up repeatedly, voted again and again to repeal the bill when they knew they didn't have the votes. But at least they had a plan, at least most people thought they had some sort of alternative. After all, that's what they complained about... their (apparently nonexistent) ideas weren't included when given the opportunity. Leap forward to now, they still have no plan.

WTH!? 

It's like the people that try out for American Idol, the really horrible ones who can't sing. They talk in the pre-interview about how this is their goal, their big shot, their opportunity to make their dream come true... then they go William Hung. Congress has gone all William Hung. They're getting an opportunity to do what they want, and they're doing a really horrible job.

He made millions of dollars. I don't know about you, but I don't have millions of dollars.

[Benton]

(06-19-2017, 06:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He made millions of dollars. I don't know about you, but I don't have millions of dollars.

That was why I went with Hung. He got paid... much like members of Congress.

Wasn't he the one who got a Vegas contract?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

State regulations were the first step.
Fixed pricing is the second step, things like aspirin, bandages and everything else. 
Obamacare is only the third step.
Trumpcare will be the fourth step.

The next step will be whoever is in control to bring about Single Payer and everyone will cheer.

[Benton]

(06-19-2017, 07:28 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: State regulations were the first step.
Fixed pricing is the second step, things like aspirin, bandages and everything else. 
Obamacare is only the third step.
Trumpcare will be the fourth step.

The next step will be whoever is in control to bring about Single Payer and everyone will cheer.

I don't know if we'll ever see single payer here. I know that's the magic bullet that seems to make both sides happy — businesses don't have to mess with paying into employee insurance and individuals don't have to jump through hoops — but the cost was higher than military budget level spending. 

The only way it would be doable is by telling healthcare providers what to charge, and supply companies what they will take for everything from medicine to machines. And that's a little too socialist for the majority of Americans, I think.

[*michaelsean*]

(06-19-2017, 07:28 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: State regulations were the first step.
Fixed pricing is the second step, things like aspirin, bandages and everything else. 
Obamacare is only the third step.
Trumpcare will be the fourth step.

The next step will be whoever is in control to bring about Single Payer and everyone will cheer.

Until everyone realizes everyone's taxes will be raised. Substantially. Now it may not cost Bernies $32 trillion over 10 years, but "make the rich pay their fair share" aint gonna make it.

[*michaelsean*]

(06-19-2017, 05:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: They won't be able to provide any alternative policy that will not result in people losing coverage unless they go more progressive with it. The model of the ACA was created by the Heritage Foundation and really is the most conservative policy tool for increasing access to health care via government intervention. They could take ten years, they aren't going to make it happen.

Please don't correct me when I'm trying to be non-partisan.

[Belsnickel]

(06-19-2017, 07:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Please don't correct me when I'm trying to be non-partisan.

Sorry!

My field of study is policy, and so this whole thing just bothers me and gets me fired up.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(06-19-2017, 07:39 PM)R Benton Wrote: I don't know if we'll ever see single payer here. I know that's the magic bullet that seems to make both sides happy — businesses don't have to mess with paying into employee insurance and individuals don't have to jump through hoops — but the cost was higher than military budget level spending. 

The only way it would be doable is by telling healthcare providers what to charge, and supply companies what they will take for everything from medicine to machines. And that's a little too socialist for the majority of Americans, I think.

(06-19-2017, 07:39 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Until everyone realizes everyone's taxes will be raised. Substantially. Now it may not cost Bernies $32 trillion over 10 years, but "make the rich pay their fair share" aint gonna make it.

I don't want Single Payer or anything near it since I see government run healthcare only as a means of absolute control over the populace...eventually. 

Healthcare can be tied to everything from how you live, what you eat and if you exercise to what job you have, how much electricity you use and the type of car you drive. Since the government controls your healthcare, they can tell you what to do all in the name of the greater good and to save money which lowers your cost and those around you.

Of course, those with a lot of money can tell the government to shove it and those who make the laws can opt out for the rest of their lives. Seriously, what do the "Regular" people really know? The Catholic Church did it for centuries, Communist countries did it for decades and are still doing it...telling people how to live and think. Hell, this is a made up percentage but at least 95% of the American public are already told how to think and act. The other 4.75% are demonized as whack jobs and that .25% are actual whack jobs.

Don't believe me about being told how to think and act? Just read this board.

[GMDino]

(06-19-2017, 07:39 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if we'll ever see single payer here. I know that's the magic bullet that seems to make both sides happy — businesses don't have to mess with paying into employee insurance and individuals don't have to jump through hoops — but the cost was higher than military budget level spending. 

The only way it would be doable is by telling healthcare providers what to charge, and supply companies what they will take for everything from medicine to machines. And that's a little too socialist for the majority of Americans, I think.

Too socialist for companies who care more about how much more money they can make than actually providing for their "customers".

[EatonFan]

(06-18-2017, 10:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: It's not funny because the Democrats had open sessions...and the new bill is designed just to get rid of the old one.  Doesn't matter if if its good or not.

They did not have open sessions. 

[Dill]

(06-19-2017, 04:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No they understand it, but they also understand that you can't just now rip it away and replace it with a plan drawn up in a couple of weeks.

Not all of them are thinking it through that way.

[GMDino]

(06-20-2017, 01:28 AM)Dill Wrote: Not all of them are thinking it through that way.

NPR is doing a story this morning on people who live in states that never expanded medicare.  The lady who voted for Trump, who has no insurance (she has a job but it doesn't offer coverage and she can't afford the premiums on other plans) said she wants something better than Obamacare.    And she said she doesn't know the details but she wants Trump to "sit down and talk with people smarter" to work out something for everyone. 



This is almost as bad as people who thought Obama actually gave them phones.

[*michaelsean*]

(06-20-2017, 09:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: NPR is doing a story this morning on people who live in states that never expanded medicare.  The lady who voted for Trump, who has no insurance (she has a job but it doesn't offer coverage and she can't afford the premiums on other plans) said she wants something better than Obamacare.    And she said she doesn't know the details but she wants Trump to "sit down and talk with people smarter" to work out something for everyone. 

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This is almost as bad as people who thought Obama actually gave them phones.

After reading all the code, I believe it's a picture of Trump, and it says, "I love the poorly educated."

[Belsnickel]

(06-19-2017, 11:38 PM)EatonFan Wrote: They did not have open sessions. 

No open sessions, eh?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590/all-actions
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/4872/all-actions

Those are just the on the record actions, which include amendments. How do those happen without open sessions?

[GMDino]

(06-20-2017, 09:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: After reading all the code, I believe it's a picture of Trump, and it says, "I love the poorly educated."

Gosh I hate when it does that!  

Shows up correct in the quote but not on the post!

[GMDino]

(06-20-2017, 09:46 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: No open sessions, eh?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590/all-actions
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/4872/all-actions

Those are just the on the record actions, which include amendments. How do those happen without open sessions?

Yes, but what about the guy who said there wasn't any?  

[*michaelsean*]

(06-20-2017, 09:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: Gosh I hate when it does that!  

Shows up correct in the quote but not on the post!

No it doesn't.  I FIGURED OUT THE CODE!