Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill.

[Au165]

(07-28-2017, 09:31 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/behind-mccain-health-care-vote/index.html

McCain joined 2 other Republicans to defeat efforts for a "skinny repeal" of the ACA 51-49 at 1 am this morning.


Apparently Trump now says they need to do what he has always said and just let the ACA fail and then come back. How many times in a month can he change his stance on the ACA?

Proud of McCain for both the vote and the comments about the issues around the partisan politics pulling down our government right now. I wonder if him seeing his mortality coming over the horizon has changed his view on things.

[Belsnickel]

(07-28-2017, 09:48 AM)Au165 Wrote: Proud of McCain for both the vote and the comments about the issues around the partisan politics pulling down our government right now. I wonder if him seeing his mortality coming over the horizon has changed his view on things.

I think some of the commentary from his colleagues in Washington may have also helped push him in that direction.

[Au165]

(07-28-2017, 10:02 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think some of the commentary from his colleagues in Washington may have also helped push him in that direction.

I had heard he met with democrats throughout the day. I wonder if he was getting assurances the Democrats would be willing to make some changes to the current healthcare structure.

[CageTheBengal]

[GMDino]

McConnell is back to asking Democrats what THEIR suggestions are.

Do you think that is sincere or just passing the buck...again.

The party of "no" had proven (again) that they cannot govern...only obstruct.  Given power they flail about unable to decide what to do because some want to do as much damage as possible to anything any liberal might like and some want to do less because they understand their constituents are people too.

[Au165]

(07-28-2017, 10:36 AM)GMDino Wrote: McConnell is back to asking Democrats what THEIR suggestions are.

Do you think that is sincere or just passing the buck...again.

The party of "no" had proven (again) that they cannot govern...only obstruct.  Given power they flail about unable to decide what to do because some want to do as much damage as possible to anything any liberal might like and some want to do less because they understand their constituents are people too.

I mean this is how it should work as far as asking for their input, not releasing it in the middle of the night and trying to pass it two hours later.

[Belsnickel]

(07-28-2017, 10:36 AM)GMDino Wrote: McConnell is back to asking Democrats what THEIR suggestions are.

Do you think that is sincere or just passing the buck...again.

The party of "no" had proven (again) that they cannot govern...only obstruct.  Given power they flail about unable to decide what to do because some want to do as much damage as possible to anything any liberal might like and some want to do less because they understand their constituents are people too.

It's passing the buck. The GOP is doing everything they can to blame Democrats for this debacle. I saw the Senate GOP Twitter account lambasting Democrats for not voting for the single-payer bill that went up. What they don't tell you is that almost all of the Democrats voted "present." What this means in parliamentary terms is that they agree with the premise of the bill but do not agree with the details.

The issue is going to be that the GOP has been pushing so hard for a "repeal and replace [with something more conservative]" that they will have to do that. However, there is no health care reform that will be both more conservative and not result in a loss of coverage for people and/or an increase in costs. From a policy perspective it just can't happen. So they can say all they want that they want to hear suggestions from Democrats, but everything is going to be too "big government" for the liking of the GOP and their voters. The reason for this is because we have dealt with 8 years of the GOP telling everyone that Obamacare might as well be socialism and telling fairy tales of how evil and big government it is when it was cooked up by the Heritage Foundation almost 50 years ago now as a small government solution to controlling healthcare costs and increasing coverage, but because it had Obama's name on it and the Democrats made it happen it was automatically bad.

I may be a little pissed off about how the lying, bullshit rhetoric of the GOP and the shitty neo-liberal policies of the Democrats have caused this shitstorm of ****-wittage that is screwing over the American people.

[Yojimbo]

(07-28-2017, 11:08 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's passing the buck. The GOP is doing everything they can to blame Democrats for this debacle. I saw the Senate GOP Twitter account lambasting Democrats for not voting for the single-payer bill that went up. What they don't tell you is that almost all of the Democrats voted "present." What this means in parliamentary terms is that they agree with the premise of the bill but do not agree with the details.

The issue is going to be that the GOP has been pushing so hard for a "repeal and replace [with something more conservative]" that they will have to do that. However, there is no health care reform that will be both more conservative and not result in a loss of coverage for people and/or an increase in costs. From a policy perspective it just can't happen. So they can say all they want that they want to hear suggestions from Democrats, but everything is going to be too "big government" for the liking of the GOP and their voters. The reason for this is because we have dealt with 8 years of the GOP telling everyone that Obamacare might as well be socialism and telling fairy tales of how evil and big government it is when it was cooked up by the Heritage Foundation almost 50 years ago now as a small government solution to controlling healthcare costs and increasing coverage, but because it had Obama's name on it and the Democrats made it happen it was automatically bad.

I may be a little pissed off about how the lying, bullshit rhetoric of the GOP and the shitty neo-liberal policies of the Democrats have caused this shitstorm of ****-wittage that is screwing over the American people.

Couldn't agree more with your last paragraph.

[GMDino]

Your rates are going up...thank President Trump.

Oh, and he told you he was going to do it...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/cbo-obamacare-premiums-are-rising-and-trump-is-to-blame.html

Quote:CBO: Obamacare Premiums Are Rising — and Trump Is to Blame


Back in April, Donald Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he planned to use the powers of his office to jeopardize health-care access for millions of low-income people, while undermining America’s insurance markets — because he believed that voters would blame the ensuing chaos on the Democratic Party, leaving Chuck Schumer desperate to negotiate with the White House over Obamacare repeal.

Specifically, the president threatened to stop paying out the Affordable Care Act’s “cost-sharing reductions” — subsidies that defray the losses insurers suffer when they sell low-income Obamacare enrollees coverage at below-market rates. (For complicated reasons related to a lawsuit House Republicans waged against the Obama administration, Trump has the unilateral authority to cancel these subsidies at any time.)

This was always going to be a bad plan, and, in sharing its details with a major newspaper, Trump made the gambit considerably worse. If you want to convince the public to blame Democrats for sudden problems in the health-care system, you really shouldn’t publicly announce that you are planning to create problems with the health-care system, so that the public will blame Democrats for what you did.

Perhaps, out of recognition of this fact — and the reality that the public tends to blame the party in power for policy crises that happen on its watch — Trump never went through with his scheme. But he carried on threatening to do so anyway. Even after Obamacare survived its death panel — and the White House turned its attention to tax reform — the administration refused to promise insurers that it would never abruptly cancel the subsidies.

In doing so, the administration has jeopardized health-care access for low-income people, while undermining America’s insurance markets.

Under Obamacare, participating insurers are required to keep deductibles and co-payments affordable for the non-affluent and the sick. In practice, this means that insurers must underprice the risk of covering such individuals, and, thus, accept a financial loss. To make that proposition more appealing to these for-profit companies, Obamacare provides them with those cost-sharing reductions.

If insurers can’t be certain that Uncle Sam is good for those subsidies, they will need to protect themselves from the risk that he isn’t. Which is to say: They will need to either pull out of the Obamacare exchanges, or else raise premiums high enough to offset the costs of covering low-income enrollees without Uncle Sam’s help.

In recent weeks, this is exactly what many insurers have done.

In response, the Trump administration slashed advertising for Obamacareopen enrollment by 90 percent, and cut funding for “navigators” who help people sign up by 40 percent, thereby undermining the marketplaces even further.

A new report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office suggests that this is having precisely the effect you’d expect it to — and, in so doing, lays the blame for an upcoming increase in the cost of health insurance at the White House’s door. As Vox’s Sarah Kliff writes:

Quote:The nonpartisan office estimates that average premiums in the health law marketplaces will be 15 percent higher next year “largely because of short-term market uncertainty — in particular, insurers’ uncertainty about whether federal funding for certain subsidies that are currently available will continue to be provided.”

The CBO also estimates that there will be less competition in the marketplaces next year, which it also attributes to the uncertain federal environment surrounding the health law’s future.

… The CBO also points to “announced reductions in federal advertising, outreach, and other enrollment efforts” as additional factors that will make Obamacare sign-ups smaller next year than they otherwise would have been.

Why Trump believes it’s in his interest to engineer a 15 percent rise in insurance premiums is unclear. But if the president still believes that he’ll be able to blame Obamacare’s implosion on Democrats — while loudly directing a wrecking ball toward the law’s foundations — let’s hope the CBO’s report serves as his wake-up call.

[GMDino]

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Quote:WATCH: Jimmy Kimmel: 'Bill Cassidy Lied To My Face'


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Jimmy Kimmel has come to the realization that Senator Bill Cassidy is a big fat liar, and that he was used by Cassidy to legitimize his current plan.


After showing Cassidy sincerely claiming he wants his bill to pass the "Jimmy Kimmel test," Kimmel agreed in principle that it might pass that.

"Your child with a pre-existing condition will get the care he needs, if and only if as his father is Jimmy Kimmel," he said. "Otherwise you might be screwed."
Kimmel then reviewed what Cassidy claimed he wants; namely, coverage for all, no discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, lower premiums for middle class families, and no lifetime caps.


"And guess what? The new bill does none of those things," Kimmel said.


After telling the audience that this bill is "worse than the one Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and John McCain torpedoed over the summer," he expressed his sincere desire for them to "have the good sense to do that with this one."


"They're trying to sneak this scam of a bill they cooked up...they don't even want you to see it," he observed.
Kimmel warned everyone that they're hoping no one pays attention, that they treat it like "an iTunes service agreement."


"And this guy, Bill Cassidy, just lied right to my face!"


For a guy who makes his living making people laugh every night, Kimmel sure did hit the nail on the head here. Cassidy is a liar, a cheat, and he used Kimmel and his infant son to try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes.


I'm glad he called it out.


Now there's a new Kimmel test for Senator Cassidy: It's called a "lie detector." Good luck, Senator Cassidy. You're going to need it.

[StLucieBengal]

Unless it's total repeal and a rollback of all insurance regulations then I am not interested.

I want to see them truly start from scratch.

[BmorePat87]

(09-20-2017, 11:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: [url=http://crooksandliars.com/2017/09/jimmy-kimmel-bill-cassidy-lied-my-face][/url]
copypasta

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/20/does-jimmy-kimmel-really-understand-the-gop-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.eb5e3df96be5

[GMDino]

(09-20-2017, 02:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/20/does-jimmy-kimmel-really-understand-the-gop-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.eb5e3df96be5

So Kimmel was right?  

[BmorePat87]

(09-20-2017, 02:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: So Kimmel was right?  

figured you'd want to read that article 

[GMDino]

(09-20-2017, 02:44 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: figured you'd want to read that article 

Just a lot of variables and not not many guarantees.  I think that's the biggest rub.

[GMDino]

Even the POTUS doesn't know what's in it.

I would not sign Graham-Cassidy if it did not include coverage of pre-existing conditions. It does! A great Bill. Repeal & Replace.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 20, 2017

Smoke and mirrors and his minions won't even realize how bad they are being screwed.  They'll blame "government" (Democrats). 

[StLucieBengal]

(09-20-2017, 02:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: So Kimmel was right?  

What Kimmel describes.... the medical care you need when you need it ..... there is no country who offers this.... even the socialized medical countries have rationing.

Medical insurance is broken into three areas. Quality, affordability, max coverage. You can only have two of those three. It's not possible to have all three.

Which two would you choose?

[GMDino]

(09-21-2017, 08:10 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What Kimmel describes....   the medical care you need when you need it .....  there is no country who offers this....  even the socialized medical countries have rationing.  

Medical insurance is broken into three areas.   Quality, affordability, max coverage.   You can only have two of those three.    It's not possible to have all three.  

Which two would you choose?

If forced to choose I would take the first two.

I believe that we have none of them now so let's shoot for the moon.

My question: What about this new bill improves any of those three areas?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-21-2017, 08:10 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What Kimmel describes.... the medical care you need when you need it ..... there is no country who offers this.... even the socialized medical countries have rationing.

Medical insurance is broken into three areas. Quality, affordability, max coverage. You can only have two of those three. It's not possible to have all three.

Which two would you choose?

For 80% of the country, insurance is broken in to two areas: what your employer offers or what the government provides.

The medical care you need when you need it? Do you know who goes without medical care the most? The ones on your beloved open market.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-21-2017, 08:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: If forced to choose I would take the first two.

I believe that we have none of them now so let's shoot for the moon.

My question: What about this new bill improves any of those three areas?

It keeps everything exactly as it is now, because it's not going anywhere.  You only need a couple of Republicans to go the other way, and I think that's a lock.  I emailed Rob Portman.  Told him I'm a lifelong Republican voter.  I didn't like Obamacare, but they won that fight and whatever you do now is going to blow up in your face.