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. . . of people who criticize Trump's foreign policy?
Sen. Rand Paul called Monday for President Trump to revoke former CIA director John Brennan's security clearance, as he questioned whether the Obama-era spy boss was “monetizing” his access to sensitive information in his new role as a pundit.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/23/rand-paul-calls-to-revoke-john-brennans-security-clearance-asks-if-hes-monetizing-access.html
" The President is exploring these mechanisms to remove security clearance because they've politicized and in some cases monetized their public service and their security clearances," Sanders said. "And making baseless accusations of an improper relationship with Russia is inappropriate."
Sanders would not say when the President would make this decision; she said only that the White House would provide updates when it had them.
A decision to strip a former official of a security clearance would prove a striking use of presidential power.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/trump-security-clearances/index.html
Smart move for a US president?
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I didn't even know people could keep their security clearance after they left their jobs. And Brennan doesn't know what treason is in the US.
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(07-23-2018, 04:51 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I didn't even know people could keep their security clearance after they left their jobs. And Brennan doesn't know what treason is in the US.
Sure you can keep your clearance; however, you access is restricted by a "need to know".
As to the OP: Folks lose their clearances for all sorts of reasons to include financial hardship. I don't see how speaking out against POTUS is grounds for revocation. Now if you share classified info with those that do not have a "need to know". No only should your clearance be revoked; you should also be brought up on criminal charges. As that could be considered betrayal and closer to treason than Trump saying stupid stuff.
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(07-23-2018, 04:51 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I didn't even know people could keep their security clearance after they left their jobs. And Brennan doesn't know what treason is in the US.
In the military I think it is up to two years after discharge, maybe more depending on rank? Those that were in it would know more than me obviously.
I am guessing for top heads of agencies, they have a longer period afterwards if not indefinite.
As to the OP, this would be just a petty move. It isnt like these former bosses go to current meetings and do anything with their security clearances anyways.
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All the people under Trump who has clearances but couldn't pass a background check to work for Kroger this is comical.
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(07-23-2018, 05:20 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No I don't think most people know what constitutes treason. It's been a pet peeve of mine for a long time, but I keep fighting the good fight.
I can think of some countries in which criticizing the leader is treason.
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(07-23-2018, 05:22 PM)Dill Wrote: I can think of some countries in which criticizing the leader is treason.
Yeah but they don't count when speaking of Americans committing treason.
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I didn't realize people kept their security clearance after returning to a "civilian life". While I'm ok with that not being a practice, criticizing the President is not the reason to do it.
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(07-23-2018, 05:15 PM)Dill Wrote: Comey doesn't have one anymore, nor McCabe. Not sure about the rest.
If this is true it is most likely because they were "fired for cause".
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(07-23-2018, 05:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I didn't realize people kept their security clearance after returning to a "civilian life". While I'm ok with that not being a practice, criticizing the President is not the reason to do it.
I knew about it because of the FBI trying to recruit my father when he was discharged. They would've saved the money on the security clearance, so they tried hard to sign him on. But I'm with you that I'm fine with it not being the practice but that this reason is wrong. The move is, in itself, politicizing the classification system.
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(07-23-2018, 04:51 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I didn't even know people could keep their security clearance after they left their jobs.
(07-23-2018, 05:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I didn't realize people kept their security clearance after returning to a "civilian life". While I'm ok with that not being a practice, criticizing the President is not the reason to do it.
Well, add me to the list. That seems like a bad policy from a national security standpoint.
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(07-23-2018, 07:05 PM)Benton Wrote: Well, add me to the list. That seems like a bad policy from a national security standpoint.
It's likely a policy to better facilitate transitions to contractors. Many employees that leave government service with a security clearance end up in a job with a contractor that may require a clearance, or they may go to another government job. By allowing them to carry their clearance for a period of time after leaving service it prevents a large backlog of clearance processing as they take up new positions.
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(07-23-2018, 06:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If this is true it is most likely because they were "fired for cause".
LOL Comey certainly was. You don't investigate the boss, when the boss is Trump.
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He couldn’t revoke say Obama without some sort of cause could he? I assumed presidents would be for life.
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(07-23-2018, 07:05 PM)Benton Wrote: Well, add me to the list. That seems like a bad policy from a national security standpoint.
As I said earlier; there's a difference between clearance, access, and need to know.
Consider a clearance like a CDL license. Just because one company releases you; doesn't mean you lose your license; you just cannot drive for that company; nor do you have access to their vehicles.
If another company wants to hire you, then you have you license and access to their equipment. Need to know would be me having to use their network to do my travel logs, but I damn sure better not be in payroll even if I have access.
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(07-23-2018, 07:31 PM)michaelsean Wrote: He couldn’t revoke say Obama without some sort of cause could he? I assumed presidents would be for life.
I believe POTUS' clearance is different than that of say Brennan; as they don't have to "qualify" for clearance. They just sign some sort of oath. I remember it being somewhat of a topic wen folks thought Hills was going to be POTUS, because there is no way she would have qualified after her carelessness with government correspondence.
Hell, Trump most likely wouldn't qualify if he had to go through the application process.
Come to think of it: They may actually lose theirs once they leave office.
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