Sam Brownback cuts medicaid funding to Planned Parentood

[fredtoast]

(01-20-2016, 10:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  if you enter into the contract you are equally responsible for the results. 

There is no contract unless the man paid her to have his baby and wrote up papers to that effect.

Do you think the father should be able to force the woman to have an abortion if she does not want to?

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(01-20-2016, 10:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who the hell said "if you are absolutely certain you would want to have the child, no matter what" ?

Just an example, friend.  If there are other possibilities and nuances to one's value system on the subject, they are free to discuss those as well.  One could literally explore every conceivable possibility if that individual really wanted to be certain their partners value system aligned with their own.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Women have the same way

Outside of the case of rape.  You are correct.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There is no contract unless the man paid her to have his baby and wrote up papers to that effect.

There was an agreement to participate in an act in which a child could be created. 

Are you saying all contracts have to be written counselor? 

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(01-20-2016, 10:17 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Just an example, friend.  If there are other possibilities and nuances to one's value system on the subject, they are free to discuss those as well.  One could literally explore every conceivable possibility if that individual really wanted to be certain their partners value system aligned with their own.  

....and still given the logic of you and others; if the woman changes her mind....

[fredtoast]

(01-20-2016, 10:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was an agreement to participate in an act in which a child could be created. 

Are you saying all contracts have to be written counselor? 

No.  I know the definition of a contract and you do not.  What consideration was given to make this anything close to a legal contract?

And do you believe that the father can force the woman to have an abortion if she does not want to?

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(01-20-2016, 10:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Do you think the father should be able to force the woman to have an abortion if she does not want to?

I see you edited:

No both should consent.

You know? Equal rights

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(01-20-2016, 10:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was an agreement to participate in an act in which a child could be created. 

Are you saying all contracts have to be written counselor? 

Fred.  Could one write up a contract before conception that forced the woman to have the child?  

If so, there is another option for you larry.  Just carry around a contract.   Or you could just procreate with a likeminded individual whose decision making you trust.

[fredtoast]

(01-20-2016, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I see you edited:

No both should consent.

You know? Equal rights

They have equal rights.  The woman get control over her body and the man gets control over his.  100% equal.


But if they doi sign a legal contract and there is mutual consideration then the man camn force the woman to have the baby or pay damages.  I have no problem with that.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:26 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Fred.  Could one write up a contract before conception that forced the woman to have the child?  

If so, there is another option for you larry.  Just carry around a contract.   Or you could just procreate with a likeminded individual whose decision making you trust.

You do realize that many can change their mind once faced with the reality of the issue don't you?

A self-professed swinger has a change of heart with faced with the reality that he know has a living off-spring.

Why don't you want him to have ANY rights.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ....and still given the logic of you and others; if the woman changes her mind....

If she changes her mind, the male contributed to said mind changing in one fashion or another.  Be it not setting up a warm and hospitable environment for child rearing before procreating, or merely procreating with someone whose values he did not know well enough, most likely a combination of many factors.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They have equal rights.  The woman get control over her body and the man gets control over his.  100% equal.

No they don't, She now has total control over his off-spring. 

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(01-20-2016, 10:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You do realize that many can change their mind once faced with the reality of the issue don't you?

A self-professed swinger has a change of heart with faced with the reality that he know has a living off-spring.

Why don't you want him to have ANY rights.  

Absolutely minds change.  But there are steps that can be taken to better your odds, correct?

He has the right to procreate with whomever he chooses so long as they choose him as well.  If he wishes to do further due diligence, that is certainly his right as well. 

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(01-20-2016, 10:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No they don't, She now has total control over his off-spring. 

But she didn't before.  It was his choice to give up that control.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No they don't, She now has total control over his off-spring. 

And you want to give the man 100% control over it.  So how do you settle a dispute?

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(01-20-2016, 10:35 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: But she didn't before.  It was his choice to give up that control.  

It was their choice. 

Should a man be forced to pay child support of a child he doesn't want?

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(01-20-2016, 10:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It was their choice. 

Nope.  Its HER choice now, because its HER body.  Again.  If a person wants to increase their odds of a specific outcome, the onus is on them to make sure they have done everything they can to best inform that decision.  

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(01-20-2016, 10:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It was their choice. 

Should a man be forced to pay child support of a child he doesn't want?

Absolutely he should.  Again.  Informed decisions.

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(01-20-2016, 10:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you want to give the man 100% control over it.  So how do you settle a dispute?

The woman carries it to term and surrenders all rights and responsibilities. With actions come consequences.

My turn for questions:

Should a man be forced to pay support for a child he does not want?

Why not just kill it before it can be viable? Only one of the parents want it

[fredtoast]

(01-20-2016, 10:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The woman carries it to term and surrenders all rights and responsibilities. 

How much does she get paid for carrying the child 9 months?