Fox news convicted liars

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(04-10-2023, 06:26 PM)Lucidus Wrote: The issue is that Fox News doesn't inform their viewers of the entertainment aspect of their programming; thus their opinions and assertions are taken as factually correct by a large portion of their audience. That has consequences: misinformation, false narratives, illogical conclusions and manufactured outrage. 

While person A may know it's entertainment, they still have to deal with the consequences of person B not knowing it; thanks in large part to the news source purposely misleading person B. If it had no actual impact in the real world, then I doubt anyone would care.

Exactly, but then you have ppl who I considered to be intelligent that will believe FOX as gospel and when even Fox comes out and admits they're liars, these folks say,  "Well they're just saying that b/c they're being made to say it."

This tells me how psychologically strong it is for a person to have their bias' confirmed, or they just cannot admit they were duped by a con man named Trump with his big lie.  Really it's cult behavior.  

[*Nately120*]

I'd argue that Fox News promoting Trump and his rigged election narrative, as well as giving a platform to other MAGA republican leaders played a part in the underwhelming election cycles from 2018 onward.  Trump lost the independents he had over Hillary to Biden, and Fox News "allowing him to raise questions" about mail in voting as well as elections being rigged had no small part in GA having two democrat senators, specifically.

Fox has been complicit in causing the GOP to be centered around someone who has cost them dearly in election cycles with no end in sight, yet look at the lefties go after them (well, their intent does make them guilty) and the right defend them.  Part of Fox's BS led to them letting Trump convince people to stay home and not vote, or make voting harder for themselves.  Now smart GOP members want to move on to DeSantis, but they can't undo what they done did.

What has Fox been telling people?
Hey republicans, the elections are rigged so yeah....guess you don't need to vote.
Hey independents, look at the fascist faces of the GOP.  Ready to come crawling back to us?

[XenoMorph]

(04-10-2023, 06:26 PM)Lucidus Wrote: The issue is that Fox News doesn't inform their viewers of the entertainment aspect of their programming; thus their opinions and assertions are taken as factually correct by a large portion of their audience. That has consequences: misinformation, false narratives, illogical conclusions and manufactured outrage. 

While person A may know it's entertainment, they still have to deal with the consequences of person B not knowing it; thanks in large part to the news source purposely misleading person B. If it had no actual impact in the real world, then I doubt anyone would care.

almost all major news programs on TV are more opinions and assertions than actual facts these days.. And many are controlled by 1 man

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(04-11-2023, 12:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: almost all major news programs on TV are more opinions and assertions than actual facts these days.. And many are controlled by 1 man

We've already had this debate earlier on in the thread on the prior page.  Yes, networks have bias and spin,  but they do not come out and present false facts and lie to their views, and fire news anchors for telling the truth as Fox does.  That's why Fox is on the hook for $ 1.6 billion. 

[Dill]

(04-11-2023, 12:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: almost all major news programs on TV are more opinions and assertions than actual facts these days.. And many are controlled by 1 man

That would be true of the Rightwing mediascape--Fox, Newsmax, and OAN, plus a scattering of blogs and "think" tanks. 
And it is what they want you to think of other news sources--especially when they are exposed: "Maybe Fox gets caught lying, but so does everyone else; just pick the 'opinion' that fits your belief."  Don't look at their background and legal context; stay with our coverage of Trump's persecution and "wokeness!"

But all this is hardly true of the MSM. Or whom do you think is the "one man" who controls them? 

Also, MSM organizations like the NYT and WaPo fund genuine investigative research. They put the best reporters on stories for years to get in depth info on important issues ranging from black sites to Trump finances. Best Fox can do is get their "analysts" to tell you how angry it all makes them feel.

Fox et al. don't really do that kind of research. With the exception of financial news, they get a lot of their factual reporting from Reuters and AP, and make some of it with softball interviews of Trump, DeSantis, and Haley. But people mostly watch them for skewed commentary, which "Benghazifies" whatever they pull from other sources, framing it as a Biden failing while "the world is laughing at us." 

[Dill]

If this don't beat all-- Tucker is back at it.

Watching Tucker last night I was surprised to see his interview with Trump, whom he called a "destroyer" and "disaster" as president in the Dominion suit emails. He praises Trump's foreign policy acumen, as Trump praises Putin, Xi, and Kim as "top of the line" political minds.

Tucker Carlson raged against Trump in private. But in interview with the former president he took a very different tone
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/media/carlson-trump-interview/index.html

Carlson sat silent as Trump rambled and ranted his way through the sit-down, making a number of eyebrow-raising comments on a host of topics that were never challenged by the right-wing talk host. Carlson made no effort to press the disgraced president on any of the issues that an actual news anchor would.
Instead, Carlson sang Trump’s praises.
“For a man caricatured as an extremist, we think you’ll find what he has to say moderate, sensible, and wise,” Carlson told his audience. At another point in his program, Carlson mocked the “Neo-con media establishment” for suggesting Trump is a “dangerous lunatic.”

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https://www.law360.com/articles/1595598

Fox admits and stipulates Rupert Murdoch is the top news and information officer before the trial to determine damages owed to Dominion.  

Why is this important? Fox attorneys for having previously made representations that Murdoch wasn't an officer of Fox News, only to reverse on the eve of a trial set to begin Monday over the broadcaster's coverage of false claims the 2020 Presidential election was rigged.  Dominion Voting Systems alleges Fox damaged its business by knowingly and repeatedly airing false claims that Dominion voting machines were used to flip the 2020 election against former President Donald Trump, a Republican, and in favor of Democrat Joe Biden, who won.  The Judge chastised Fox's attorney stating, "Now your client (FOX) has a credibility problem."

Well duh, Capt. Obvious!! 

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/judge-says-fox-news-has-credibility-problem-after-murdoch-disclosure-2023-04-11/

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Admitted liars Fox News has agreed to pay Dominion voting systems $787.5-Milllion for promoting con-artist Donald Trump’s big election lie. Fox will not have to go on air and admit to their viewers they are liars. However, all of Fox’s late night anchors and owners admitted, while under oath in sworn depositions subject to the penalty of perjury, they all knowingly presented things about Dominion they knew were false to retain viewers from leaving to other networks.

This is the largest defamation settlement against a media organization in history.

[Arturo Bandini]

Their viewers don't give a s*** about truth, they just want to be proven right and own the libs.

[Dill]

(04-19-2023, 01:30 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: Admitted liars Fox News has agreed to pay Dominion voting systems $787.5-Milllion for promoting con-artist Donald Trump’s big election lie. Fox will not have to go on air and admit to their viewers they are liars. However, all of Fox’s late night anchors and owners admitted, while under oath in sworn depositions subject to the penalty of perjury, they all knowingly presented things about Dominion they knew were false to retain viewers from leaving to other networks.

This is the largest defamation settlement against a media organization in history.

What percentage of Fox viewers do you think follow and understand the suit? Fox briefly announced the settlement on Tuesday. Otherwise they’ve been silent.

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(04-20-2023, 01:03 AM)Dill Wrote: What percentage of Fox viewers do you think follow and understand the suit?  Fox briefly announced the settlement on Tuesday. Otherwise they’ve been silent.

I’d say only about 20% of Fox viewers have the ability to understand the suit and know Fox promoted Trump's lies but will watch Fox b/c Fox confirms their bias'. 

30% simply do not care b/c they’ve bought into the right-wing hate of everyone who's not Christian, straight, and white propaganda and they believe it's a win-at-all-cost culture war aka the right-wing manufactured war on Wokeism (Fear and greed= the GOP platform.) The other 50% have no idea this even happened, b/c as you said, Fox refused to cover it b/c it tarnished their brand, and Fox would have to admit, as Fox did under oath, they lied to their viewers by promoting Benedict Donald Trump's election lies.

[*Nately120*]

I'm amused that Fox is going to be able to write off somewhere around $200 million of this on their taxes as this settlement was a result of "normal business practices." It's normal business practice for them to settle to pay out nearly $800 million worth of fraud. That's normal business practice for them.

[Dill]

(04-24-2023, 11:11 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm amused that Fox is going to be able to write off somewhere around $200 million of this on their taxes as this settlement was a result of "normal business practices."  It's normal business practice for them to settle to pay out nearly $800 million worth of fraud. That's normal business practice for them.

Wonder how much will be covered by insurance, too.

[*Nately120*]

(04-24-2023, 09:04 PM)Dill Wrote: Wonder how much will be covered by insurance, too.

I'm sure the fact that Fox News has an insurance policy that will cover hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud liability won't convince any loyal viewers that they aren't being fed anything other than a steady diet of the absolute truth, either. 

We really do trust giant corporations.  If someone heard from their cousin's mother in law that she saw a cockroach at that the mom and pop pizza place downtown, they'll order from some other pizza place.  But a giant corporation having $500 million worth of "we're full of shit" insurance?  Bah, that's just standard stuff.  Nothing to see here.

 If you're going to lie, lie big, so big people can't argue it.  What's that saying, if you tell a man god created the entire universe in 6 days he'll believe you, but if you tell him the paint on a bench is wet he'll want to touch it to make sure?