Shootings over the Memorial Day weekend

[*bfine32*]

(06-02-2016, 12:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: No one should take my child to the zoo.

Why don't you want to take your child to the zoo?

[*Nately120*]

(06-02-2016, 12:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why don't you want to take your child to the zoo?

What child?

[*bfine32*]

(06-02-2016, 12:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: No one should take my child to the zoo.

(06-02-2016, 12:29 PM)Nately120 Wrote: What child?

You tell me..

[*Nately120*]

(06-02-2016, 12:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You tell me..

This is in response to you saying this to me:

(06-02-2016, 12:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I feel ya. Folks have told me the same thing about taking your child to the Zoo.

Which is amusing because you are saying folks are telling you not to take MY child to the zoo.  It's just me being a grammar d-bag because I find this thread to be um...threadbare?  Anyways, toodles!

[SteelCitySouth]

(06-02-2016, 12:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This is in response to you saying this to me:


Which is amusing because you are saying folks are telling you not to take MY child to the zoo.  It's just me being a grammar d-bag because I find this thread to be um...threadbare?  Anyways, toodles!

I thought BFine was your child's daycare provider and often fended off arguments from others as to the dangers of taking your child to the zoo.  Is this not the case?

[*bfine32*]

(06-02-2016, 12:50 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: I thought BFine was your child's daycare provider and often fended off arguments from others as to the dangers of taking your child to the zoo.  Is this not the case?

That's a strange turn of phrase for Daddy.

[*Nately120*]

(06-02-2016, 12:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That's a strange turn of phrase for Daddy.

I always knew deep down you were a manwhore and a deadbeat dad!

[*bfine32*]

Hell this event happened in the same city during the same weekend and yet crickets Nationally about outrage toward the parent(s):

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/two-men-arrested-at-taste-of-cincinnati

Quote:Two men and 19 juveniles were arrested at the Taste of Cincinnati this weekend, according to police.

Of the 19 juveniles, 10 were arrested for curfew violation. Nine others were arrested for unspecified offenses, Cincinnati Police Sgt. Donna Dees said.

[NATI BENGALS]

Maybe we should nuke Chicago.

[Griever]

god, guns and oil?

[GMDino]

I'm offended that Daniel isn't more concerned about our troops!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/31/u-s-troops-wounded-in-iraq-and-syria-over-memorial-day-weekend/

Why does he hate the troops?!?!

[Griever]

maybe he only cares about certain kinds of troops...

[*bfine32*]

(06-02-2016, 02:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm offended that Daniel isn't more concerned about our troops!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/31/u-s-troops-wounded-in-iraq-and-syria-over-memorial-day-weekend/

Why does he hate the troops?!?!

What makes you think I don't care about the Troops or the youth shot in Chicago Fred?

It was simply a comment on our society in general and more pointedly, the responsibility of the parent. The fact that you presented an article that illustatrates that Troops getting wounded in combat is far down the list of public outrage this weekend to a zoo animal getting shot, further illustartes the main point but does nothing to address the more pointed matter.

[Griever]

we should arm the animals, so they can defend themselves from kids getting in their cages

[GMDino]

(06-02-2016, 02:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What makes you think I don't care about the Troops or the youth shot in Chicago Fred?

It was simply a comment on our society in general and more pointedly, the responsibility of the parent. The fact that you presented an article that illustatrates that Troops getting wounded in combat is far down the list of public outrage this weekend to a zoo animal getting shot, further illustartes the main point but does nothing to address the more pointed matter.

Because you didn't even mention them.  

(06-01-2016, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 69 people in Chicago

1 Gorilla in Cincinnati

Guess which one is getting the most attention

Clearly you think so little of the troops that you didn't even bring them up.  

Or maybe you didn't mean that folks can talk about an extraordinary event AND still care about other things...even if none of us were in or from Chicago?


Maybe you just chose Chicago randomly vs for some other reason?

I'm mean you could have picked virtually any major metroplitan city:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/memorial-day-weekend-shootings-leave-one-dead-16-injured-in-new-york-1464655486
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/2-dead-6-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shooting-rampage-in-west-houston-8443587
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/30/deadly-memorial-day-weekend-louisville/85163244/
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/30/two-killed-five-shot-over-memorial-day-weekend/85163126/
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/after-violent-weekend-memorial-day-ends-with-shootings-robberies-in-new-orleans/39803810
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-quintuple-shooting-arrest-20160601-story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/05/29/man-killed-lynnfield-shooting/5GmPga9hPWbFB4d70Tqh4H/story.html

Did you not care about them?!?!  Did no one?!?!?




Or were we only suppose to care about incidents where the parents could be found responsible?  I guess there's a point in there about...something?

Maybe you had a different point you want to make but didn't want to say it?

Maybe you'll explain.

[Griever]

(06-02-2016, 02:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because you didn't even mention them.  


Clearly you think so little of the troops that you didn't even bring them up.  

Or maybe you didn't mean that folks can talk about an extraordinary event AND still care about other things...even if none of us were in or from Chicago?


Maybe you just chose Chicago randomly vs for some other reason?

I'm mean you could have picked virtually any major metroplitan city:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/memorial-day-weekend-shootings-leave-one-dead-16-injured-in-new-york-1464655486
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/2-dead-6-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shooting-rampage-in-west-houston-8443587
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/30/deadly-memorial-day-weekend-louisville/85163244/
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/30/two-killed-five-shot-over-memorial-day-weekend/85163126/
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/after-violent-weekend-memorial-day-ends-with-shootings-robberies-in-new-orleans/39803810
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-quintuple-shooting-arrest-20160601-story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/05/29/man-killed-lynnfield-shooting/5GmPga9hPWbFB4d70Tqh4H/story.html

Did you not care about them?!?!  Did no one?!?!?




Or were we only suppose to care about incidents where the parents could be found responsible?  I guess there's a point in there about...something?

Maybe you had a different point you want to make but didn't want to say it?

Maybe you'll explain.

he'll come back and say he never said any such thing and you have no proof of it

[*Nately120*]

(06-02-2016, 01:57 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Maybe we should nuke Chicago.

Man, you just HAD to wait until the Cubs were good again.  Geez.

[GMDino]

(06-02-2016, 02:49 PM)Griever Wrote: he'll come back and say he never said any such thing and you have no proof of it

The sad thing is the point that we get easily distracted by one odd event is a good one...it just goes off the rails after that.

Then everyone exaggerates and then there are hurt feelings and then here we are...

[*bfine32*]

The below further illustartes the point I was making in the OP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/nine-people-fatally-shot-in-chicago-marking-citys-deadliest-day-in-more-than-a-decade-10-more-wounded/

Quote:One shot struck Lucas. As the men advanced up the sidewalk, they pushed Lucas’s grandnephew out of the way and shot Lucas three more times, family members said. The attackers fled in a red SUV, and Lucas died on the stoop from gunshot wounds to the neck and head.

Lucas was one of 19 people shot on Monday — nine of them fatally — in what the Chicago Tribune has called the city’s deadliest day in more than a decade.

Chicago has experienced a surge in violence in the past year, much of it concentrated on the city’s South Side, where Lucas lived. A staggering 2,500 people have been shot in the city since the beginning of the year, more than in any year at this point since the 1990s. There have been at least 426 homicides in 2016, far more than in New York, which has three times Chicago’s population.

How many have read about this in the headlines or seen it covered over and over again on TV or seen celebraties/athletes make a point to speak out?

[GMDino]

(08-10-2016, 10:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The below further illustartes the point I was making in the OP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/nine-people-fatally-shot-in-chicago-marking-citys-deadliest-day-in-more-than-a-decade-10-more-wounded/


How many have read about this in the headlines or seen it covered over and over again on TV or seen celebraties/athletes make a point to speak out?

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151201/downtown/chicagoans-actually-do-protest-violence-their-communities-all-time

Quote:Chicagoans Actually DO Protest Violence In Their Communities All The Time


How come nobody is protesting against neighborhood gun violence?

People have been asking variations of that question on social media lately, many of them reacting to recent high-profile protests following the release of the video that shows Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer.

But Chicagoans were protesting, marching and engaging in important discussions across the city long before the video emerged ... and they still are.

"People are working on this issue every day, addressing it, and putting a focus on it. The problem is not whether people in the community are addressing it. The real question is if the broader city is addressing it enough or if the media is addressing it enough," said outspoken anti-violence activist the Rev. Michael Pfleger.

Consider these examples:

When An 'Army of Moms' Took Over An Englewood Block For Months



Tamar Manasseh formed Mothers Against Senseless Killings to patrol the neighborhood after a murder in the 7500 block of South Stewart in June. In the five weeks after a man opened fire on three women on June 23, there were no shootings on the block or on the 7500 block of South Harvard where the patrols were set up, according to a DNAinfo Chicago map of shootings in the city.

"When you have sisters like sister Manasseh and others out here just participating, it makes a big difference,” said Johnny Banks, the executive director of the community organization A Knock at Midnight.

When Englewood Women Spent Their Mothers Day Speaking Out Against Violence  



“Mothers are a critical, yet undervalued force of change,” said Dede Koldyke, president of EarthHeart Foundation. “We can’t rely on anyone else. So we connect, talk and tap into viable solutions to the challenges of our neighborhoods.”

When A Neighborhood Watch Turned Into Weekly Protests In Woodlawn



When Lunden Gregory was in Uptown six years ago, the sound of gunshots kept her up at night, forcing her to move to Woodlawn and South Shore before finally finding "peace" in Michigan, she said. But Gregory moved back to the city when she wanted "to no longer run from home" and "be part of the solution [instead] of running from the problem, when times get hard."

Gregory began standing on the corner with 11 other people, and soon that number tripled. Now she hosts protests on a weekly basis.

When Rogers Park Residents 'Reclaimed' Park Where Shootings Occurred



Residents united after a shooting at Leone Beach Park left two men wounded. Organizers of the event included a mother and her two young children — one of which she was forced to "lie" to after he witnessed the shooting.

The mother, Grace Husar, along with 30 other residents, gathered in the park do create art, utilize the playground, cook s'mores and symbolize they would not give up their park to violence.

When South Siders Started Using Symbolic Caskets In Protests



A South Side pastor and his supporters now use a startling but powerful symbol in their anti-violence marches through Englewood: They carry a casket.

“We don’t want any more death, we don’t want any more murders, we don’t want any more killings,” said the Rev. Dwayne Grant of Xperience Church Chicago, 6325 S. Morgan St.

When Uptown Residents 'Reclaimed' Weiss Park From Gangs 



When Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc. Organized During A Snow Storm 

Members of the historically black fraternity joined other community leaders for a march against violence and to call for the revitalization of 79th Street, improved education in the city and to formulate an economic empowerment plan of action — in REALLY bad weather.

“Like I said before, we cannot sit back and stand on the sidelines and watch our young men destruct themselves," said the Rev. Roosevelt Watkins, also a march organizer and fraternity member. "It is important that we do our part to help our communities."



"A couple of years ago, this was a real gang-infested area. We've made a lot of strides in this area. This is a celebration [to say] we're giving it back to the the community," said Sgt. Will Lapitan of the Community Policing Unit.

The plaza, at Sheridan Road and Lawrence Avenue, has a history of gang activity and this was the perfect opportunity to "reclaim" it, Lapitan said.


Raul Montes Jr., 40, organizes a protest against violence every two weeks, everywhere from Little Village to Vittum Park. He said it takes "many, many hours" to organize the events, which include networking with local organizations and persuading people to come out.

"I like to make a difference. That's why I do it. I have a passion for it," said Montes, who works as a substitute teacher.

Montes said the people who are likely to complain about the lack of outrage are usually the ones that "won't [organize] themselves." But he agrees with the critics who believe there should be more protests so long as they're peaceful, saying they are the "right way" to fight against violence. 

Martinez Sutton, who grew up at 62nd Street and Cottage Grove Avenue, said there are so many protests and neighborhood meetings that it's hard to keep up. 

"It's always happening. They fight [gun violence], not only in the streets, but they're trying to get legislation passed. A lot of people think just because you don't see them in the street, they're not doing anything. But that's just not the truth at all," he said.

Sutton's younger sister, Rekia Boyd, was fatally shot by a Chicago Police officer in 2012. Following citywide headlines about the Laquan case, the Independent Police Review Authority has recommended that the officer be fired.

Despite the fact that he was personally impacted by a police shooting, Sutton sees shootings between neighborhood residents as an equally pressing issue.

"A lot of people think that it's just about police violence, when it isn't," he said. "People get shot every day in different neighborhoods. But if we can't call the police and let them know, 'Hey we're dying,' then who can we call?" 
"The relationship between the police and the community can be stronger. That will, in turn, help the community be stronger, and not be scared to speak up on these issues."

Oh, and one that people bitched about because it complained about ALL the shootings...


http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/NBA-Stars-Speech-About-Gun-Violence-2016-ESPYs-41964321

Quote:Some of the NBA's biggest stars took the stage at the ESPY Awards on Wednesday night to deliver a powerful message about the gun violence and racial profiling epidemics that are sweeping across the country. Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, and LeBron James stood side by side as they encouraged the audience packed with professional athletes to "speak up, renounce all violence," and use their influence. "The racial profiling has to stop," Dwyane said while opening the show. "The shoot-to-kill mentality has to stop. Not seeing the value of black and brown bodies has to stop. But also the retaliation has to stop. The endless gun violence in places like Chicago, Dallas, not to mention Orlando, it has to stop. Enough. Enough is enough."

But example after example of people ACTUALLY protesting and trying to make thinks better doesn't fit your narrative.  A freak occurrence like the gorilla incident attracts a lot of news and views and some people want to use that one moment in time to attack people who are fighting the long fight


It's disgusting.


I can show you lots of websites and news sites covering the most inane things right now...that doesn't mean nothing else is happening.  It means the "here and now" gets the eyeballs.


And complaining that something that happens every day doesn't exist...or doesn't exist enough for someone else's high standards just reeks of ignorance.