(10-05-2016, 10:32 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Isn't our anthem one of the few out there that doesn't name the country in it? I thought I remembered hearing that somewhere.
We're America. Everyone knows.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Thanks for that, 'zona; did not know about your guys' anthem, that was very informative!
I know most of the Bengals don't sing it, but Andy always does.
At every Jays game, I respectfully stay quiet during the American anthem, but I lip-synch the Canadian anthem (and basically tear up every time); you want to talk about uncatchy, dated songs, THAT is considered to be one of the crappiest anthems, according to people I've talked to (I don't think so, but others do). Have to say though, during the WBC game between Canada and the States, though I wasn't in my seat yet, the energy and awesomeness of all the Canadians singing... just amazing.
You wanna hear awesome anthem singing from the crowd? Hard to beat Romania, they're nuts.
(10-05-2016, 07:46 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't know if our country would be own with Wagner.
John Williams, maybe, but they wouldn't go for Wagner.
Ohhhh....well.....
Only about 20% of the population would have any idea why it "might" not be such a good idea.
Another 20% had never heard it before.
The other 60% would be singing "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit !!".
(10-05-2016, 12:19 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Ohhhh....well.....
Only about 20% of the population would have any idea why it "might" not be such a good idea.
Another 20% had never heard it before. The other 60% would be singing "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit !!".
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Yeah Wagner totally ripped that off. Didn't even try to hide it.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(10-05-2016, 02:10 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah Wagner totally ripped that off. Didn't even try to hide it.
Töten Sie das Kaninchen! Töten Sie das Kaninchen!
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(10-05-2016, 11:09 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Thanks for that, 'zona; did not know about your guys' anthem, that was very informative!
I know most of the Bengals don't sing it, but Andy always does.
At every Jays game, I respectfully stay quiet during the American anthem, but I lip-synch the Canadian anthem (and basically tear up every time); you want to talk about uncatchy, dated songs, THAT is considered to be one of the crappiest anthems, according to people I've talked to (I don't think so, but others do). Have to say though, during the WBC game between Canada and the States, though I wasn't in my seat yet, the energy and awesomeness of all the Canadians singing... just amazing.
You wanna hear awesome anthem singing from the crowd? Hard to beat Romania, they're nuts.
I know a lot of Americans who think the Canadian national anthem is really cool. Of course, they only know the first two words of the lyrics... LOL! ("Oh, Canada!....hum...hum...hum...hum...hum...hummmmm!). Even then, it is a pretty cool anthem.
In general, I like all of the Western European anthems. You hear them and instantly identify with the country. All of them are pretty singable. I think the French ("La Marseillaise") is my favorite.
The British anthem ("God Save the Queen") is a bit misunderstood by Americans. We see it as a song about a queen, a person. But my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the monarchy in England is not about individuals or positions. Rather the monarchy is a symbol of the health and welfare of the nation.
BTW- The words to the modern German anthem are NOT "Deutschland, Deutschland, über alles". They were from the original first stanza which was outlawed after WWII. Germans can be a bit touchy about that!
The "Hatikva" in Israel is a really soulful and emotional anthem.
A friend of mine described the Japanese anthem ("Kimigayo") as "one of the most subtly powerful songs ever". Being American, we are generally not good with subtleties. The lyrics are from a poem over 1000 years old.
These anthems are memorable because you can sing along with them. As a result, the melodies don't get twisted into some unrecognizable mass of arpeggios by some personal glory seeking diva every time they are played.
(10-05-2016, 02:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Töten Sie das Kaninchen! Töten Sie das Kaninchen!
I didn't even need google translate.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
When I'm watching a sporting event at home, and they show the national anthem being sung (Canada's and/or USA's) I stand for it/them in my living room.
loudest i've ever heard was in Montreal before a Montreal vs Boston playoff game. When they wrapped up that Canadian anthem i thought the roof was going to come down the building was shaking so much.
(10-05-2016, 12:19 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Ohhhh....well.....
Only about 20% of the population would have any idea why it "might" not be such a good idea.
Another 20% had never heard it before.
The other 60% would be singing "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit !!".
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Wagner was like the 19th century version of Walt Disney.
(10-06-2016, 09:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: He hated the Jews?
I don't know if he hated the Jews, because he had some close Jewish friends, but his public persona had some very antisemitic themes going for it. It wasn't uncommon in the 19th century in Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter, and some of those themes are even suggesting at being present in his works. But, whether he actually was antisemitic with a few Jewish friends or whether he put on a facade to keep his popularity, hard to say.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(10-06-2016, 10:04 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't know if he hated the Jews, because he had some close Jewish friends, but his public persona had some very antisemitic themes going for it. It wasn't uncommon in the 19th century in Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter, and some of those themes are even suggesting at being present in his works. But, whether he actually was antisemitic with a few Jewish friends or whether he put on a facade to keep his popularity, hard to say.
(10-06-2016, 02:22 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Why is the Anthem preformed at sporting events at all?
So that people remember Colin Kaepernick a little longer.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Quote:THAT STORY BEGINS, as so many tales in modern American sports do, with Babe Ruth. History records various games in which "The Star-Spangled Banner" was played dating from the mid-1800s, but Ruth's last postseason appearances for the Boston Red Sox coincided with the song's first unbreakable bond with the sports world, in 1918. Game 1 of that year's World Series was notable for many reasons. For starters, the Red Sox and the opposing Cubs were considered champs back then. After 1918, they would serve as symbols of futility; neither won a title for the rest of the century. But at the time, the Cubs were so highly regarded that their World Series home was not Wrigley Field (then Weeghman Park), which seated only 14,000 fans; the National League champs instead rented out the White Sox's Comiskey Park, which accommodated about 30,000.
There was also World War I, which blackened everything, including the national pastime. The U.S. had entered the war 17 months earlier, and in that time some 100,000 American soldiers died. Veterans who survived often came home maimed or shell-shocked from encounters with modern warfare's first mechanized mass-killing machines. At home, the public mood was sullen and anxious. The war strained the economy and the workforce, including baseball's. The government began drafting major leaguers for military service that summer and ordered baseball to end the regular season by Labor Day. As a result, the 1918 Series was the lone October Classic played entirely in September.
World War I wasn't the only issue weighing heavily on fans. On Sept. 4, the day before the first game, a bomb ripped through the Chicago Federal Building, killing four people and injuring 30. The Industrial Workers of the World were thought to be behind the attack, a retaliation for the conviction of several IWW members on federal sedition charges in the court of Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis. (Two years later, Landis was appointed commissioner of baseball, a position he held until 1944.) Domestic terrorism didn't exactly generate interest in a lighthearted day at the ball game. For the opener at Comiskey, newspapers optimistically estimated that a sellout crowd would drop anywhere from 50 cents for a bleacher ticket to $3 for a box seat. When only 19,000 and change showed, a Chicago Herald-Examiner headline proclaimed, "Scalpers Are Making No Money."
Although the Cubs festooned the park in as much red, white and blue as possible, the glum crowd in the stands for Game 1 remained nearly silent through most of Ruth's 1-0 shutout victory over Chicago's Hippo Vaughn. Not even the Cubs Claws, the forerunners to Wrigley's Bleacher Bums, could gin up enthusiasm. "For a baseball game in a world's Championship series," theChicago Tribune wrote, "yesterday's combat between the Cubs and Red Sox was perhaps the quietest on record."
With one exception: the seventh-inning stretch. As was common during sporting events, a military band was on hand to play, and while the fans were on their feet, the musicians fired up "The Star-Spangled Banner." They weren't the only active-duty servicemen on the field, though. Red Sox third baseman Fred Thomas was playing the Series while on furlough from the Navy, where he'd been learning seamanship at the Great Lakes Naval Training Station in Chicago. But Thomas' months of military training had hardly dulled his diamond skills. According to the Society of American Baseball Research, the station's commander, Capt. William Moffett, was a baseball fanatic who actively recruited athletes for the training center's team. Thomas, who started playing professionally right out of high school in Wisconsin, later said he "had it made at Great Lakes. All had to do was play baseball." So after the Red Sox went through nine third basemen during the season, they took a shot and asked the Navy whether he could join them as they took on the Cubs. The military said yes, and Thomas stood at his usual position on the diamond during Game 1's seventh-inning stretch, present at the creation of a tradition.
Upon hearing the opening notes of Key's song from the military band, Thomas immediately faced the flag and snapped to attention with a military salute. The other players on the field followed suit, in "civilian" fashion, meaning they stood and put their right hands over their hearts. The crowd, already standing, showed its first real signs of life all day, joining in a spontaneous sing-along, haltingly at first, then finishing with flair. The scene made such an impression that The New York Times opened its recap of the game not with a description of the action on the field but with an account of the impromptu singing: "First the song was taken up by a few, then others joined, and when the final notes came, a great volume of melody rolled across the field. It was at the very end that the onlookers exploded into thunderous applause and rent the air with a cheer that marked the highest point of the day's enthusiasm."
The Cubs front office realized it had witnessed something unique. For the next two games, it had the band play "The Star-Spangled Banner" during the seventh-inning stretch, to similarly enthusiastic crowds. By Game 3, a bigger crowd of 27,000 was in attendance. Not to be outdone, the Red Sox ratcheted up the pageantry when the Series relocated to Boston for the next three games. At Fenway Park, "The Star-Spangled Banner" moved from the seventh-inning stretch to the pregame festivities, and the team coupled the playing of the song with the introduction of wounded soldiers who had received free tickets.
Like the Chicago fans, the normally reserved Boston crowd erupted for the pregame anthem and the hobbled heroes. As the Tribune wrote of the wounded soldiers at Game 6, "[T]heir entrance on crutches supported by their comrades evoked louder cheers than anything the athletes did on the diamond." THE RED SOX ended up winning the Series in six games, their third championship in four years and their last for the next 86. Not for the first time, and not for the last, Ruth etched his name in the record books. He pitched 16 straight scoreless innings in his two wins, which, along with 13 shutout innings in 1916, set a Series mark for consecutive scoreless innings that wouldn't be broken for 43 years.
Meanwhile, Thomas typified a near-flawless fielding performance by the Red Sox, making several spectacular plays in the Series-clinching sixth game on Sept. 11. In the seventh inning that night, he snagged a scorcher down the line from Chicago's Fred Merkle, a play The Times called an act of "downright grand larceny." After the game, he had the ball autographed by his Boston mates. A Thomas family member bought it at auction in 2007, and today the old third sacker's descendants keep his memory alive at the Fred Thomas Resort, a fishing camp on Big Lake Chetac in Wisconsin that Thomas started after retiring from baseball in 1924.
Still, the Series' most enduring legacy belongs to a song. Other major league teams noticed the popular reaction to "The Star-Spangled Banner" in 1918, and over the next decade it became standard for World Series and holiday games. In subsequent years, through subsequent wars, it grew into the daily institution we know today.
But with ubiquity comes backlash -- and those, like the folks at Goshen College, who prefer to decouple the anthem from sports. What, after all, does an antagonistic, difficult-to-sing 200-year-old tune about a flag have to do with playing ball?
Quite a bit, actually. Congress didn't officially adopt the "The Star-Spangled Banner" until 1931 -- and by that time it was already a baseball tradition steeped in wartime patriotism. Thanks to a brass band, some fickle fans and a player who snapped to attention on a somber day in September, the old battle ballad was the national pastime's anthem more than a decade before it was the nation's.
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