So what’s next?

[Dill]

(06-06-2020, 09:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, the thread is about a way ahead. Folks are more focused on replacing folks like Trump that psychos like Chauvin. But I'm glad I could provide you with your favorite. 

Because replacing Trump would have greater immediate and long term consequences--

His replacement will not only weed out the Chauvins still on many police forces, but also prevent their hiring in the future.

[masonbengals fan]

Are you serially pushing Biden as the candidate for change & reform? The man has been in Washington for 40 years. If he hasn't changed things for the better by now when exactly is he going to start. At this point he can barely string 2 sentences together.

[GMDino]

(06-07-2020, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Are you serially pushing Biden as the candidate for change & reform? The man has been in Washington for 40 years. If he hasn't changed things for the better by now when exactly is he going to start. At this point he can barely string 2 sentences together.

This particular argument holds no sway with me.

1) Biden was part of reform over 40 years and if he simply put it back in after DJT dismantled it we are furhter ahead already.

2) Biden knows how things work and/or is capable of learning and reading.

3) Anyone who watches Trump speak and then makes fun of how Biden's speaks should have their voting rights taken away...lol.

[masonbengals fan]

That should be his campaign slogan. "Changing things for 40 years"
& then cut to his voting record & just how many things he's been wrong on.
LOL

[GMDino]

(06-07-2020, 10:08 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: That should be his campaign slogan. "Changing things for 40 years"
& then cut to his voting record & just how many things he's been wrong on.
LOL

And you'll find that over time.

Don't get me wrong, I get tired of these professionals who are in office for decades too.

But if we are going to check who was wrong about things and go for Biden's 40 years and Trump's 3.5 you're still gonna lose.

Biden isn't the perfect candidate...he's better than Trump will ever be. No matter which metric you pick.

[Dill]

(06-07-2020, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Are you serially pushing Biden as the candidate for change & reform? The man has been in Washington for 40 years. If he hasn't changed things for the better by now when exactly is he going to start. At this point he can barely string 2 sentences together.

?? Why would you say he "hasn't changed things for the better"?

Guess this depends on what counts as better.

He gets an 86% rating from the ACLU and an 8% from the NRA.

83% from the League of Conservation Voters and 12.6% from the American Conservative Union.

Remember that "change" also get's undone--think of the Iran Deal and the Violence Against Women Act.

[hollodero]

(06-07-2020, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Are you serially pushing Biden as the candidate for change & reform? The man has been in Washington for 40 years. If he hasn't changed things for the better by now when exactly is he going to start.

At times it might be sufficient to know the game and to be open to suggestions. I don't expect Biden to come up with great modern ideas. I might be inclined to believe that he is willing to listen to those that do.

Also, this is a race of comparison. At this point, positive change might also mean not teargassing peaceful protesters, or just all the other reactionary things he would not do.

(06-07-2020, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: At this point he can barely string 2 sentences together.

I understand where this is coming from, but I feel this gets a little overblown still. The man was a stutterer, he is not a gifted speaker, but most of the times (notable exceptions duly noted) his thoughts and remarks are coherent and reasonable. I find it unfair to imply otherwise.
Also, again, comparison. Biden might say dumb stuff at times, but I think I could examplify with ease that Trump is way ahead in that category too. Recent injection theories aside, that person also seriously and multipe times talked about how his border wall needs to be see-through so people don't get slayed by bags of heavy drugs thrown over. This list could continue.

[*bfine32*]

Hopefully we Kentuckians can show a way ahead:



https://www.yahoo.com/news/saved-protesters-protected-lone-cop-231203138.html

Quote:'They saved me': How protesters protected a lone cop, a moment captured in powerful photos

[BmorePat87]

(06-07-2020, 10:08 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: That should be his campaign slogan. "Changing things for 40 years"
& then cut to his voting record & just how many things he's been wrong on.
LOL

Joe Biden also made history as the highest ranking official in the executive branch to call for the legalization of gay marriage. You can talk about him not changing because he was in politics for 4 decades, but the reality is he was a major part of an incredibly progressive administration and he showed a willingness to advocate for major change when others would not. You can further look to his campaign, including his desire to embrace ideas of his progressive opponents, despite having already won the nomination, and his focus on bringing in fresh voices, essentially marketing himself as a means to rid the world of the destructive policies of Donald Trump and usher in new faces for change.

I understand that it's easier to say something simple-minded and mock the fact that he isn't a good public speaker, but you're posting those things in a forum frequented by people who actually do look at the nuances of politics rather than jumping on whatever clickbait headline is shared. 

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2020, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Are you serially pushing Biden as the candidate for change & reform? The man has been in Washington for 40 years. If he hasn't changed things for the better by now when exactly is he going to start. At this point he can barely string 2 sentences together.

There are folks in this very thread that once wanted no part of Joe Biden now signing his praises.

As for me: I really don't care who gets the White House in 2020 now that the Socialists are eliminated. At least fn we get Biden we can has threads in this forum that actually focus on the issues. 

[Belsnickel]

(06-07-2020, 06:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As for me: I really don't care who gets the White House in 2020 now that the Socialists are eliminated. At least fn we get Biden we can has threads in this forum that actually focus on the issues. 

Well, when we have conversations about issues we get people coming in saying "YoU jUsT dOn'T lIkE iT bEcAuSe TrUmP!" because apparently no one is capable of having a legitimate policy disagreement with him.

[Millhouse]

Apparently the Minneapolis City Council will by majority vote to disband the police department. Not defund, disband it meaning there will be no police force for the city. I guess the county police will step up, I dont know. What I am guessing is that the fine individuals that the police are actually needed for won't be policing themselves.

[GMDino]

WATCH: Bill Barr compares governors who don’t want Trump to unilaterally send active-duty troops into their states to the Confederacy. pic.twitter.com/Z1LdhlpZem

— DNC War Room (@DNCWarRoom) June 7, 2020

 

[GMDino]

Guys like Barr, who are obviously smarter and more well spoken and experienced than Trump, can trot themselves out and sound pseudo intellectual and STILL be lying pieces of excrement.

From the Pepperball website: https://t.co/KkFi0xQdk9 pic.twitter.com/jM0PS65oTy

— Blake News (@blakehounshell) June 7, 2020

 

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2020, 06:08 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, when we have conversations about issues we get people coming in saying "YoU jUsT dOn'T lIkE iT bEcAuSe TrUmP!" because apparently no one is capable of having a legitimate policy disagreement with him.

Let's review any thread and see how many (if any) I'm the first to bring up Trump.

You want to do it or do you want to concede the point? 

Did you have a seizure after you typed the quotes?   

[Belsnickel]

(06-07-2020, 08:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Let's review any thread and see how many (if any) I'm the first to bring up Trump.

You want to do it or do you want to concede the point? 

Did you have a seizure after you typed the quotes?   

Why does it matter who brought up Trump first? If it's a Trump administration policy then Trump should be brought up right away. And no seizure, that's just what the kids do to denote mockery.

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2020, 08:41 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Why does it matter who brought up Trump first? If it's a Trump administration policy then Trump should be brought up right away.

I'll take that as a no.

You can assert threads that should have nothing to do with Trump don't get railroaded more often than not, but I''ll disagree. But of course I'm sure you believe it's "legitimate". 

WTS, my point remains: If Biden wins the election we can have more discussions about actual issues. You can disagree if you wish. 

[Belsnickel]

(06-07-2020, 08:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll take that as a no.

You can assert threads that should have nothing to do with Trump don't get railroaded more often than not, but I''ll disagree. But of course I'm sure you believe it's "legitimate". 

WTS, my point remains: If Biden wins the election we can have more discussions about actual issues. You can disagree if you wish. 

I seem to remember you saying something about not wanting people to put words in your mouth, recently. I suggest you check yourself.

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2020, 06:08 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, when we have conversations about issues we get people coming in saying "YoU jUsT dOn'T lIkE iT bEcAuSe TrUmP!" because apparently no one is capable of having a legitimate policy disagreement with him.

(06-07-2020, 08:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I seem to remember you saying something about not wanting people to put words in your mouth, recently. I suggest you check yourself.

Consider myself "checked". So let me not put words in your mouth and ask you a question:

Do you think a large amount of threads in this forum get derailed into Trump, when a more civil discourse would occur if it were not?

If you say yes; then you agree with my original assertion and I'm unsure why you took it to task. If you say no then we'll just disagree.  

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-07-2020, 09:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Consider myself "checked". So let me not put words in your mouth and ask you a question:

Do you think a large amount of threads in this forum get derailed into Trump, when a more civil discourse would occur if it were not?

If you say yes; then you agree with my original assertion and I'm unsure why you took it to task. If you say no then we'll just disagree.  

This is 2020 in America. Trump has derailed a whole lot more than just a large amount of threads in this forum.

And absolutely more civil discourse would occur if the president and leader of one of the two major political parties in this country wasn't a loud-mouth orange shitty-haircut having lying conman reality tv-show host narcissist who many in the party don't even acknowledge when he is being an asshole and destructive to our country.