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(09-25-2015, 05:38 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Might as well go ahead and put a Tea Bagger in there so these cons can finally see that it's impossible to be even less productive than the Republican majority already is.
If tea party is so bad then let them take oher speaker so people can see. They dont want this because once they do, McConnel will be next. And Mike Lee will take his spot.
They know the TP would be successful and that they would only gain seats.
Ofc these progressive GOP would possibly start going to be Democrats. Which would be sending them home finally.
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(09-25-2015, 05:33 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They seem to be the only people up there who will stick to their principles and follow through on campaign promises. Leaders need to follow through. Force obama to veto.
You claim they are losing support yet they keep winning elections.
I don't claim so, Gallop does in a "scientific" poll.
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(09-25-2015, 05:44 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If tea party is so bad then let them take oher speaker so people can see. They dont want this because once they do, McConnel will be next. And Mike Lee will take his spot.
They know the TP would be successful and that they would only gain seats.
Ofc these progressive GOP would possibly start going to be Democrats. Which would be sending them home finally.
So passing bills that have zero chance of becoming law is something you're happy to pay Congress to do?
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(09-25-2015, 09:08 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: So passing bills that have zero chance of becoming law is something you're happy to pay Congress to do?
So they should only pass what the president wants? If that's the case why do we need them? Just let the president make all the laws. Thats what Obama wants anyways.
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(09-25-2015, 09:40 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: So they should only pass what the president wants? If that's the case why do we need them? Just let the president make all the laws. Thats what Obama wants anyways.
The fact that you need a certain number of votes to overrule a veto is nothing new. If the Tea Baggers want to enact their ludicrous ideas then they need to convince more people to vote for their candidates so they can get past the veto.
The question stands: are you happy for your tax dollars to pay people to literally do nothing but waste their and everyone else's time?
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(09-25-2015, 09:47 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: The fact that you need a certain number of votes to overrule a veto is nothing new. If the Tea Baggers want to enact their ludicrous ideas then they need to convince more people to vote for their candidates so they can get past the veto.
The question stands: are you happy for your tax dollars to pay people to literally do nothing but waste their and everyone else's time?
Well if we had a president that don't veto or threaten to veto everything that comes out of Congress unless it's exactly what he wants it wouldn't be a waste of time and money.
Our system of government is about compromise and this is something that Obama has shown over and over again that he will not do.
The last government shut down was blamed on the Republicans unwillingness to compromise and now Obama and his cronies are blaming Republicans for their own unwillingness to compromise yet again. Why is it that the Republicans are always the ones that have to give with this administration? Didn't Obama campaign on being the "great uniter" and a promise to end the partisan gridlock in DC? Yet he has done absolutely nothing to make things better. In fact the situation is worse now than at any other time in our history.
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(09-25-2015, 10:47 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: Well if we had a president that don't veto or threaten to veto everything that comes out of Congress unless it's exactly what he wants it wouldn't be a waste of time and money.
Our system of government is about compromise and this is something that Obama has shown over and over again that he will not do.
The last government shut down was blamed on the Republicans unwillingness to compromise and now Obama and his cronies are blaming Republicans for their own unwillingness to compromise yet again. Why is it that the Republicans are always the ones that have to give with this administration? Didn't Obama campaign on being the "great uniter" and a promise to end the partisan gridlock in DC? Yet he has done absolutely nothing to make things better. In fact the situation is worse now than at any other time in our history.
I'm hearing a lot of "wah", frankly.
Like I said, if the Tea Baggers wanna pass their bull shit that most Americans oppose, they need to get more people to vote for them. Obama is not going to sign any of their insane bills unless he has to; that's what happens when a majority of Americans decide they want him as President. You act as if a Republican president would sign, say, a bill for a single payer healthcare system even if a Democratic congress didn't have enough votes to overrule a veto. And you know as well as I do that isn't the case.
Get your head out of your ass, quit crying over the fact that America is becoming increasingly less right wing every year, and stop hoping for a Congress that gets even less done than they already do. We need less silliness, not more.
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Look, we have a city full of politicians, not statesmen, politicians. Compromise isn't in any of their vocabularies. They lack a vision that they really want to see through. The only thing they replace it with is disdain for the other side. GOP, DNC, Tea Party, doesn't matter.
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(09-26-2015, 07:25 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Look, we have a city full of politicians, not statesmen, politicians. Compromise isn't in any of their vocabularies. They lack a vision that they really want to see through. The only thing they replace it with is disdain for the other side. GOP, DNC, Tea Party, doesn't matter.
That's what happens when you have a divisive man at the top.
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(09-26-2015, 01:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That's what happens when you have a divisive man at the top.
Have to disagree. This has been going on for decades. And we must not forget that the POTUS is not at the top, the Speaker or Majority Leader, same thing. Our three branches of government are supposed to be equal. Congress is a room of equals where one person gets one vote. The idea that the POTUS is in charge of the country or that the heads of the Congressional chambers are in charge is bollocks and needs to stop.
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(09-26-2015, 02:29 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Have to disagree. This has been going on for decades. And we must not forget that the POTUS is not at the top, the Speaker or Majority Leader, same thing. Our three branches of government are supposed to be equal. Congress is a room of equals where one person gets one vote. The idea that the POTUS is in charge of the country or that the heads of the Congressional chambers are in charge is bollocks and needs to stop.
The congress spending the past 100 years slowly giving away its power to the president is the issue. Which is exactly why obama has been a scary presodent and why trump would be the exact same way. The executive branch has entirely too much power.
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