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Starting to Think We Go QB Early
(04-18-2019, 08:52 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You essentially have one side saying "anything's possible" and one side saying "nope, never, zero chance". I'll let y'all decide which side is more reasonable.

There's a small subset saying that Taylor is the greatest coaching hire in Bengals history before he first snap is even played. I don't happen to belong in that particular subset.. "Anything's possible" is essentially hedging your bets in most cases. More often than not I go with anything's possible just because the occasional fluke does happen. In the Bengals case it's usually the competition that gets the lucky fluke. We get the fluke injury and a would-be superstar with one injury after another. (See Eifert) 
I'm not predicting QB @ 11, but...anything's possible and it's possible we get the greatest QB ever with more injuries than a civil war battlefield. I'm leaning more toward defense @ 11.
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(Yesterday, 11:02 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He didn't have to. That's how hype works. People were excited before the season began, because we hired a hyped HC candidate and drafted the consensus top QB and Heisman winner. Just knowing we had a franchise QB on the bench waiting to take over got people hyped. I can still vividly remember Carson's preseason debut against the Jets. People were stoked to see him for the first time. 

I bought my first Bengals tickets in 2003, when the Bengals were off to a 1-4 start. They weren't "winning", yet the ticket sales were already up by 4.1% over the previous year. Average attendance in the first 3 home games of 2002 was 58,279. Average attendance in the first 3 home games of 2003 was 60,656. 

2002 schedule:

Chargers
Bucs
Steelers

2003 schedule:

Broncos
Steelers
Ravens

2003 new HC and first pick of draft , so two variables that would support believe the "HYPE" our attendance should have really went up, well i think 10 percent and that still was very low end overall attendance.  I would account some of that interest to winning.. 4-12 to 8-8 finally breaking the long season losing streaks.  Im going with our Davis quote "Win Baby" over Hype.  Pick the player you feel best helps our team at this point to win..... 
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Anyone remember the rise in ticket sales and hype when TO was brought in to match with 85? Yeah, plenty of hype that lead to that memorable 4-12 season.. 
I really don't care how many tickets get sold. I'd be perfectly happy if the stadium was completely empty as long as they're winning. Winning always takes care of ticket sales. "Maybe" players sometimes sells tickets, but guarantees us nothing other than a lot of maybe's..
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(Yesterday, 01:14 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: 2003 new HC and first pick of draft , so two variables that would support believe the "HYPE" our attendance should have really went up, well i think 10 percent and that still was very low end overall attendance.  I would account some of that interest to winning.. 4-12 to 8-8 finally breaking the long season losing streaks.  Im going with our Davis quote "Win Baby" over Hype.  Pick the player you feel best helps our team at this point to win..... 

But our attendance was up by over 2000 on average during a 1-4 start, coming off of 2-14.

Some might shrug at 2000 tickets, but I doubt the Brown family does. That's significant.

Of course hype is fickle and disappears pretty quickly if winning doesn't follow, but I wonder how many people bought season tix due to Marvin/Carson heading into 2003? 
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(04-18-2019, 04:38 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I honestly don't know if Browns fans were excited by new QBs or not. If they weren't, I'd wager their track record had something to do with it. 

You weren't excited when we drafted Palmer? In general I think Palmer and Lewis were why people were excited going into 2003...and that was before we started winning.

I watch people throw up new QBs on the boards literally every year and you guys don't think some people would be excited if we finally pulled the trigger? Guess I'll have to just disagree there.

And no, I didn't help your point. Re-read the post. I said that a new QB could learn behind Andy AND we could trade Andy next year.

It's a different situation.  The Bengals didn't have a decent QB when Palmer was drafted, so obviously there was a lot of hype and hope around Palmer.  There was a good chance he would be better than guys like Akili Smith and Gus Frerrotte.  It's a lot less likely that a rookie will be better than Dalton.  There will be some excitement if it's Haskins, mainly because there's a large number of Ohio State fans that will go nuts for any highly rated OSU player the Bengals take.

I don't think it happens for a number of reasons.  If Mike Brown made big changes for the purposes of pumping up the fans and pushing ticket sales, Marvin would have been gone a long time ago.  He just doesn't run the team that way.  Mike said he wanted to give Dalton a year under Taylor and I think that's exactly what he does.  I also think that after Zac would lose a large chunk of the locker room if they went QB after he talked Andy up so much.  He would come off as two faced and many of the players wouldn't trust him.  Plus, if there's a QB at 11, I'm sure the Dolphins and or Redskins will be calling.
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(Today, 01:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: It's a different situation.  The Bengals didn't have a decent QB when Palmer was drafted, so obviously there was a lot of hype and hope around Palmer.  There was a good chance he would be better than guys like Akili Smith and Gus Frerrotte.  It's a lot less likely that a rookie will be better than Dalton.  There will be some excitement if it's Haskins, mainly because there's a large number of Ohio State fans that will go nuts for any highly rated OSU player the Bengals take.

I don't think it happens for a number of reasons.  If Mike Brown made big changes for the purposes of pumping up the fans and pushing ticket sales, Marvin would have been gone a long time ago.  He just doesn't run the team that way.  Mike said he wanted to give Dalton a year under Taylor and I think that's exactly what he does.  I also think that after Zac would lose a large chunk of the locker room if they went QB after he talked Andy up so much.  He would come off as two faced and many of the players wouldn't trust him.  Plus, if there's a QB at 11, I'm sure the Dolphins and or Redskins will be calling.

Fair points and I'd add that we're drafting at #11 not #1 overall. You're also right that I think Andy has a backing in the locker room. Especially from AJ Green. Then again, the players loved Marvin, too. 

Fwiw, the only QB's that I think would bring excitement to the fanbase are Murray and Haskins. 

Also fair point on Mike not bending to fans, but after awhile, I think he does at least consider the fans when PBS has looked empty for a few years. I'm not saying that he would make moves directly based on what fans want, but I do believe the front office could feel pressure or motivation to make moves to bring fans back. 

Not sure if I buy the 2 faced thing. Coaches lie in the sports all the time. Some of the best ones do. It's all about the team, not the individual. That's why when a new coach throws support behind the QB, it's often called the kiss of death. Same deal with new GM's supporting coaches, but we're not used to an actual GM.   Whatever

Tbh, unless by some miracle Murray is sitting at 11, I hope we trade back with a QB needy team. 
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Jeff Driskel deserves less respect in the city of Cincinnati.
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"The Bengals didn't have a decent QB when Palmer was drafted"

Actually and especially by Bengals standards they did. Kitna was a micro revelation after the misery of Akili Smith and put up pretty decent numbers in 03, built a nice connection with Chad himself - and led the team to 8-8, which again by Bengals standards was pretty great.

He then led the team to 2-1 in 2004 before being replaced by Golden boy who i wasn't really that excited about until 2005 due to the  Klingler and Akili busts. I even remember thinking it may be a mistake when they pulled Kitna in 04 for Palmer because he was winning.

Here's the numbers:
Kitna
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KitnJo00.htm
Palmer
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm
Chad:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm

Again, mostly talking about 03/04 here

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